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Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

And if Christians really believe in the message of Christ and forgiveness... Never mind.



If liberals weren't such ******s, then they wouldn't be liberals.
 
And if Christians really believe in the message of Christ and forgiveness... Never mind.

I thought mixing religion and politics was wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
I won't argue that liberals do appeals to emotion but on this topic and many others... emotion is the right's domain. economic and social justice is often sold with emotion but it's not solely emotion. It's also a version of seeking economic stability as a nation. I know the right doesn't believe it but it is at the root of the left's argument.

I disagree

on some issues the (bible thumping) right appeals to emotion

anti abortion
gays in the military
flag burning
prayer in school

and the left does it in

1) gun control
2) "economic justice"
3) "free" health care
4) any redistributionist nonsense
5) affirmative action
 
See X Factor? appeal to emotion with a non sequitur.

Easy for you to say since you didn't know the victims. Nor did I, but I'm grown up enough to know that having someone you love get murdered isn't something that "doesn't matter". And since the 2 people who he killed aren't here to give their input, we can probably safely assume they didn't say "Yay! I'm being murdered!".
 
How many hours has the families and friends of his victims suffered? If liberals weren't such ******s about the DP, they would of had proper drugs. Of course,
rope and a gallows is a lot cheaper and wouldn't have taken so long
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I don't believe that anyone ever took 2 hours to die after their heads were chopped off by the guillotine.

And they surely weren't gasping for air.
 
I disagree

on some issues the (bible thumping) right appeals to emotion

anti abortion
gays in the military
flag burning
prayer in school

and the left does it in

1) gun control
2) "economic justice"
3) "free" health care
4) any redistributionist nonsense
5) affirmative action

Not to mention the illegal immigrant children.
 
We still have the 8th amendment, no matter what he did.

Which doesn't mean what he did "doesn't matter". It most certainly does matter. I doubt you'd rejoice if you had a family member killed and it was discounted as something that "doesn't matter".
 
Which doesn't mean what he did "doesn't matter". It most certainly does matter. I doubt you'd rejoice if you had a family member killed and it was discounted as something that "doesn't matter".

I never said it "didn't matter" in a general sense. I said it doesn't matter with regards to how we treat the inmate.
 
I disagree

on some issues the (bible thumping) right appeals to emotion

anti abortion
gays in the military
flag burning
prayer in school

and the left does it in

1) gun control
2) "economic justice"
3) "free" health care
4) any redistributionist nonsense
5) affirmative action

Both sides do it to the same degree. It's partisan foolery to pretend otherwise.

The right (aka Bush & company) appealed to the country's emotions after 9/11 to justify the Iraq invasion. The left insists the right wants women barefoot and pregnant. We could spend all ngiht coming up with examples.
 
Fortunately the founding fathers weren't so stupid as to make the constitution one giant appeal to emotion and instead focused on the rational decision making of law.

Maybe you should take a look at what they did to prisoners and murders during their time.

Hell, I'm all for bringing back the stocks. Whipping. etc. They knew how to take care of criminals.
 
Easy for you to say since you didn't know the victims. Nor did I, but I'm grown up enough to know that having someone you love get murdered isn't something that "doesn't matter". And since the 2 people who he killed aren't here to give their input, we can probably safely assume they didn't say "Yay! I'm being murdered!".

The murder was about the victims.
The death sentence is about the another person.

You are making a false choice of if one is against the death penalty and doesn't fully agree with you about how this man should die and also agree with you about how horribly he should die... then I don't have any sympathy for the aforementioned murdered and family of the murdered. Simply not true and whole-heartily disingenuous on your part in seeking support with an appeal to emotion based on this falsehood.
 
It is never surprising to see a liberal expressing more concern for the perpetrator of a serious crime than for the victims of that crime.

Disgusting, yes.

Depressing, yes.

But surprising, never.

It seems to be one of the defining characteristics of American liberalism to be on the side of the criminals, and against that of honest people.
 
I don't believe that anyone ever took 2 hours to die after their heads were chopped off by the guillotine.

And they surely weren't gasping for air.

Too much bloody mess to clean up afterwards. Sure, a hanged man will piss and **** themselves, but most is kept in their pants.
 
The murder was about the victims.
The death sentence is about the another person.

You are making a false choice of if one is against the death penalty and doesn't fully agree with you about how this man should die and also agree with you about how horribly he should die... then I don't have any sympathy for the aforementioned murdered and family of the murdered. Simply not true and whole-heartily disingenuous on your part in seeking support with an appeal to emotion based on this falsehood.

You didn't need to restate the obvious.
 
It is never surprising to see a liberal expressing more concern for the perpetrator of a serious crime than for the victims of that crime.

Disgusting, yes.

Depressing, yes.

But surprising, never.

It seems to be one of the defining characteristics of American liberalism to be on the side of the criminals, and against that of honest people.

See X Factor... another appeal to emotion with this same non sequitur. Being against the death penalty in no way is siding with the criminal. Another...er... actually the same repeated BS argument gone down the toilet.
 
You didn't need to restate the obvious.

That's rather really ****ed up that you would do that. Again showing that one cannot debate rationally when one is so emotionally overcharged.
 
See X Factor? appeal to emotion with a non sequitur.

Most of the things I'm passionate about are because they engage my emotions, I'll admit that. I support animal cruelty laws because the thought of animals being hurt for fun breaks my heart. I'll also be one of those "Bible thumpers" TD was referring to on the issues of abortion, especially after viewing the developing baby of my friend. The thought that someone could have cut the little guy apart and pulled him out in pieces also breaks my heart. Emotions also drive many of my actions. This past weekend, I took the time to get a dog to trust me enough to let me get to where I could read his tag so I get him home because, as I've already said, animals engage my emotions. In the case of crime victims, I am incapable of being dispassionate about them, it's true, but I do agree that you would need to be in order to oppose the death penalty.

On the other hand, you're the one who has argued that emotion should play no role in laws or law enforcement. I expect you to be consistent on that. :)
 
That's rather really ****ed up that you would do that.

Not half as ****ed up that you would actually post it.

This man deserved to die. I have sympathy for his victims and their families. You don't.

You'll also notice I didn't cheer about how he died. But I have no sympathy for him.
 
Maybe you should take a look at what they did to prisoners and murders during their time.

Hell, I'm all for bringing back the stocks. Whipping. etc. They knew how to take care of criminals.

I'd say something about evolving but being from the right I'd have to put up with the whole not believing in evolution bit.

How about a quote from one of the founding fathers eh?

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."​
 
See X Factor... another appeal to emotion with this same non sequitur. Being against the death penalty in no way is siding with the criminal. Another...er... actually the same repeated BS argument gone down the toilet.

No appeal to emotion, just an obvious fact. Liberals tend to consistently take positions that are to the benefit of criminals, and to the detriment of honest society. This shows us whose side they are on, and it isn't on the side of honest citizens.

It's completely in character for the liberals here to express so much concern over the fact that this subhuman piece of solid digestive waste might have experienced some discomfort during the last hours of its worthless life; while dismissing any consideration for the suffering that it inflicted on its victims.
 
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