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Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

How many hours has the families and friends of his victims suffered? If liberals weren't such ******s about the DP, they would of had proper drugs. Of course, rope and a gallows is a lot cheaper and wouldn't have taken so long.

Fortunately the founding fathers weren't so stupid as to make the constitution one giant appeal to emotion and instead focused on the rational decision making of law.
 
yeah but in this day and age of AIDS, Ebola Zaire, herpes 1-VII, lets keep the blood splatter to a minimum

I always wondered if there was a second immediately after decapitation that your mind actually registers what happened.
 
Agreed, but no one has established that there was anything cruel and unusual about the execution. The fact that he lived for two hours post injection doesn't meet the threshold.

I would say it does, rather clearly.
 
I really can't decide if his angst ridden, hand ringing heart break over murderers (and not just murderers, but capital murderers) is really, really funny or some sort of sad commentary where our values are.

Consider the heavy overlap between those who most staunchly oppose the death penalty, and those who most staunchly defend abortion. There is a very large portion of our population that values the lives of the very worst criminals more than they value the lives of the most innocent and defenseless children. It is a terrible and tragic commentary on where our values are, as a society.
 
Fortunately the founding fathers weren't so stupid as to make the constitution one giant appeal to emotion and instead focused on the rational decision making of law.

True, which is why the Consitution clearly allows for the deprivation of life upon due process and not does not bow to these silly emotional appeals for compassion for killers.

It is interesting though, that you believe that emotion should be left out of law making. Would that include things like passing Obamacare because that was one giant emotional appeal. It must have been hell for you.
 
I always wondered if there was a second immediately after decapitation that your mind actually registers what happened.

allegedly, during the reign of terror, french executioners would show the head its body and there were reports of the faces showing disgust or shock

hard to say.
 
Bull****. It needs to be simplified. I cast and load 9mm at just over 5 cents a round. I'll provide 2 free of charge just to be sure.

wow, that's cheap

1000 bullets @65 dollars
1000 Primers @ 26 dollars
3500 grains of powder (half pound)=9 dollars

100 dollars for 1000 rounds
1 dollar for ten rounds

10C a round
 
True, which is why the Consitution clearly allows for the deprivation of life upon due process and not does not bow to these silly emotional appeals for compassion for killers.

It is interesting though, that you believe that emotion should be left out of law making. Would that include things like passing Obamacare because that was one giant emotional appeal. It must have been hell for you.

I don't see emotional appeals for the killer. But as soon as you speak against the death penalty those for the DP immediately go for the appeal to emotion of "what about the victims of his crime?" While it is the reason why the person is getting executed, it is really a rather large non sequitur that has nothing to do with the conversation about the death penalty... aside from using the government to seek out revenge... another emotional appeal.
 
How much need to die??
If we should start liberally handing out death left right who else needs to go?

Rapist, child molesters, all first degree murders not just those with special circumstances, terrorist.

Being locked up in a high security prision isnt enough?

Whats the number of prisoner escapes each year? Some years more, some less, but roughly 2,000 a year. Recent data is hard to find.


What does "life in prison" really mean? https://fullfact.org/factchecks/murder_homicide_sentence_licence_release_parole-28691

“In 2010, 115 people were released from prison having served a life sentence for murder. Of these, six had served fewer than 10 years. In 2011, 160 people were released from prison having served a life sentence for murder. Of these, 26 had served fewer than 10 years.”

Killing someone is not natural. That is partialy why its a crime in the first place. Why should the state do it?

It is in defense of self, others, and tribe.
 
allegedly, during the reign of terror, french executioners would show the head its body and there were reports of the faces showing disgust or shock

hard to say.

Does The Head Of A Guillotined Individual Remain Briefly Alive?

The Medical Answer:

The current medical consensus is that life does survive, for a period of roughly thirteen seconds, varying slightly depending on the victim's build, health and the immediate circumstances of the decapitation. The simple act of removing a head from a body is not what kills the brain, rather, it is the lack of oxygen and other important chemicals provided in the bloodstream. To quote Dr. Ron Wright "The 13 seconds is the amount of high energy phosphates that the cytochromes in the brain have to keep going without new oxygen and glucose" (Cited from urbanlegends.com, no longer extant). The precise post-execution lifespan will depend on how much oxygen, and other chemicals, were in the brain at the point of decapitation; however, eyes could certainly move and blink.​
 
I don't see emotional appeals for the killer. But as soon as you speak against the death penalty those for the DP immediately go for the appeal to emotion of "what about the victims of his crime?" While it is the reason why the person is getting executed, it is really a rather large non sequitur that has nothing to do with the conversation about the death penalty... aside from using the government to seek out revenge... another emotional appeal.
But it IS an emotional appeal of denouncing the process.
 
Does The Head Of A Guillotined Individual Remain Briefly Alive?

The Medical Answer:

The current medical consensus is that life does survive, for a period of roughly thirteen seconds, varying slightly depending on the victim's build, health and the immediate circumstances of the decapitation. The simple act of removing a head from a body is not what kills the brain, rather, it is the lack of oxygen and other important chemicals provided in the bloodstream. To quote Dr. Ron Wright "The 13 seconds is the amount of high energy phosphates that the cytochromes in the brain have to keep going without new oxygen and glucose" (Cited from urbanlegends.com, no longer extant). The precise post-execution lifespan will depend on how much oxygen, and other chemicals, were in the brain at the point of decapitation; however, eyes could certainly move and blink.​

gruesome

shoot em in the back of the head then!
 
funny watching the same people who thump their chests in a bravado show of how tough they are with the Kill Kill Kill death penalty stance are more often than not the ones that are also there to thump their chests in a bravado show of how tough they are about how badly they want us to go to war somewhere no matter how little reason they need to go.
 
gruesome

shoot em in the back of the head then!

Read this from the same link:

Many Historical Accounts:

The guillotine was invented as a humane and painless method of execution, one that brought an instant death: could the inventors have been wrong? Plenty of anecdotes have been used by all sides, many of them dating from the French Revolution, one of the guillotine's most prolific periods. Scientists who asked their students to watch and record how many times they blinked (the scientists themselves being guillotined), murderers who tried to speak, and rivals who bit each other while their heads were in a bag; all have been cited at some point. One famous tale concerns Charlotte Corday, the killer of Marat, whose cheek supposedly reddened after the executioner slapped it even though, at that point, she was just a severed head being held up to the crowd.​
 
But it IS an emotional appeal of denouncing the process.

No. It's a constitutional argument about the Eighth Amendment and what is and isn't the government's duty. Nothing emotional about that.
 
I don't know what his crime was, but because of his botched execution, he will be more famous for how he died as opposed to what did to get the death penalty. This entire mess is creating empathy for a guy you claim doesn't deserve to live. That is a problem for you, regardless if you recognize it as such.


The guillotine worked every time.

That said, this wasn't cruel and unusual punishment. It was a mistake of approved method without intent.

Also, this was a meth head who murdered two people in cold blood. That he suffered for a whole two hours before shuffling off is not enough to trip the meter.
 
How do you know he didn't? See, we shouldn't have these questions. Most likely, he did suffer, and it is just plain wrong. The state of Arizona violated the constitution, and they should be ashamed of themselves. It doesn't matter what he did, it does however matter what we do, and killing people with untested drugs is just wrong.

It doesn't?

I'll bet it mattered to the 2 people he killed, and their friends, and their families.
 
I don't see emotional appeals for the killer. But as soon as you speak against the death penalty those for the DP immediately go for the appeal to emotion of "what about the victims of his crime?" While it is the reason why the person is getting executed, it is really a rather large non sequitur that has nothing to do with the conversation about the death penalty... aside from using the government to seek out revenge... another emotional appeal.

Yep, you all are actually pretty consistent on the "victim is irrelevant and doesn't matter" mantra. I'm just incapable of blowing them off like that. Still, I really don't want to discourage you from believing that laws should never be based on emotion. The whole notion of "economic" or "social" justice is one big appeal to emotion. I'm glad you oppose all that.
 
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I don't know what his crime was, but because of his botched execution, he will be more famous for how he died as opposed to what did to get the death penalty. This entire mess is creating empathy for a guy you claim doesn't deserve to live. That is a problem for you, regardless if you recognize it as such.

It'll only "create empathy" for those already pre-disposed to have empathy for him. The rest of us are like, "meh". We view him as being on death row due to his own actions. Personal responsibility and all that other stuff that I know is complete gobbledygook to some.
 
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Yep, you all are actually pretty consistent on the "victim is irrelevant and doesn't matter" mantra. I'm just incapable of blowing them off like that. Still, I really don't want to discourage you from believing that laws should never be based on emotion. The whole notion of "economic" or "social" justice is one big appeal to emotion. I'm glad you oppose all that.

I won't argue that liberals do appeals to emotion but on this topic and many others... emotion is the right's domain. economic and social justice is often sold with emotion but it's not solely emotion. It's also a version of seeking economic stability as a nation. I know the right doesn't believe it but it is at the root of the left's argument.
 
It doesn't?

I'll bet it mattered to the 2 people he killed, and their friends, and their families.

See X Factor? appeal to emotion with a non sequitur.
 
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