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Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

What a thread. We have to put food in our schools, its been **** food for decades, someone suggests we start providing healthier lunches and that becomes a political fight too!

Try my five recent days in Yellowstone, where the vast majority of people in decent shape didn't speak English--mostly European and Oriental. Then look at the foods they eat--as Mark Levin might say, crony capitalism runs school lunches. Las Vegas was a disaster with those who have bellied up to the buffet for decades .
 
Try my five recent days in Yellowstone, where the vast majority of people in decent shape didn't speak English--mostly European and Oriental. Then look at the foods they eat--as Mark Levin might say, crony capitalism runs school lunches. Las Vegas was a disaster with those who have bellied up to the buffet for decades .

That's a bad ass place to visit. And your right.
 
Still trying and failing I see.
You don't even comprehend the provided definition and yet you go on and on. :doh

And btw, pointing out that you are wrong is not claiming superiority. That is what you have been trying to do with your ignorant attacks.

Assuming that you are right and everyone else is wrong is claiming superiority, though. I'm merely pointing out that you, as an individual with a long history of reading comprehension problems here at DP, are unable to comprehend that which you yourself have written.

You are, however, impervious to the evidence of your own incompetence, so no amount of factual information will sway your perception of adequacy.

Which the average person can see is perfectly predicted by the Dunning-Kruger effect when someone who is utterly incompetent assumes themselves to be of above-average competence.

To explain it in a more relevant way to the particular discussion at hand, earlier I discussed your teacher's failure to "indoctrinate" you into an adult level of reading comprehension. They may have attempted to "indoctrinate" you, but since you were impervious to their efforts (as would be expected from a person on your end of the Dunning-Kruger spectrum), you failed to become "indoctrinated".

Thus, despite the valient, perhaps even herculean, efforts of your teachers, nobody can ever claim that you've been "indoctrinated" to an adult level of reading comprehension as the attempt was clearly unsuccessful.

Going back to your initial incompetently worded sentence, you said "After being indoctrinated throughout the school year that the lunches are so much better, of course those results would be expected."

Now, you have made it clear that you used better to mean something akin to "tastier" or "more likable" rather than "healthy". This is, in and of itself, an incompetent use fo the English language, but we'll leave it alone for now as it is not necessary to demonstrate your astounding incompetence with the word indoctrinated.

For the Students to have been indoctrinated that the food is tastier or more likeable, they would actually have to believe that it is tastier/more likable.

Your incompetent attempt to support your incompetent sentence was to claim that the teachers indoctrinated them. Due to your failure to comprehend English language, however, you failed to recognize that there is a clear and obvious distinction between "indoctrinating" and "attempting to indoctrinate". The former is successful in altering the indoctrinated person's beliefs to be in accordance with the indoctrinator's views, while the latter scenario leaves an unindoctrinated person who has not conformed to the indoctrinator's views.

When I asked if your position was that the children were told that they liked the food, therefore they liked the food, you claimed I didn't comprehend the word and cut and paste a definition which you clearly did not comprehend as defense for your incompetent use of the English language.

The key failure of your sentence (besides you utterly incompetent use of the word "better" in the context of the discussion) was the use of "after being". If the children were indoctrinated, then their views had conformed. If your use of the word better" was, as you claim, intended to be about "liking" rather than "healthier", then your sentence states, unequivocally, that telling the kids that they liked the food was effective in causing the kids to actually like the food.

But these are merely facts. As the Dunning-Kruger effect indicates, you are utterly incapable of perceiving facts in an adequate fashion so they will not have any affect upon your own flawed self-perception of competence.

Now it's time for you to say "Wrong again" and "says the guy who didn't comprehend the definition" in a fit of grandiose delusion.
 
Apparently not all kids are spoiled brats whose parents let them eat what ever they want and many other kids do like healthier food.

Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches - WSJ
When the federal government implemented new school-meal regulations in 2012, a majority of elementary-school students complained about the healthier lunches, but by the end of the school year most found the food agreeable, according to survey results released Monday.
The peer-reviewed study comes amid concerns that the regulations led schools to throw away more uneaten food and prompted some students to drop out of meal programs.
Researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago surveyed administrators at more than 500 primary schools about student reaction to the new meals in the 2012-2013 school year. They found that 70% agreed or strongly agreed that students, by the end of the school year, generally liked the new lunches, which feature more whole grains, vegetables and fruits, and lower fat levels.

And anyone with half and intelligence damn well knows when "study finds" precedes the subject - it's automatically bull****.

For instance...

"Study Finds That North Koreans Prefer To Eat Grass Instead of Rotten Rat and Human Corpses."

Journalism at it's finest...
 
And anyone with half and intelligence damn well knows when "study finds" precedes the subject - it's automatically bull****.

Oh man! Too rich!
 
And anyone with half and intelligence damn well knows when "study finds" precedes the subject - it's automatically bull****.

For instance...

"Study Finds That North Koreans Prefer To Eat Grass Instead of Rotten Rat and Human Corpses."

Journalism at it's finest...

So you're saying North Koreans prefer to eat rotten rat and human corpses?
 
Oh man! Too rich!

If you disagree than do it...

Don't say "too rich" that's for lazy people who don't have to concoct a dissenting argument.
 
Are you implying they don't have half an intelligence?

It was "half and intelligence". Half of what, nobody can say, but it must be coupled with intelligence in order for someone to damn well know it's bull****.
 
Assuming that you are right and everyone else is wrong is claiming superiority, though. I'm merely pointing out that you, as an individual with a long history of reading comprehension problems here at DP, are unable to comprehend that which you yourself have written.

You are, however, impervious to the evidence of your own incompetence, so no amount of factual information will sway your perception of adequacy.

Which the average person can see is perfectly predicted by the Dunning-Kruger effect when someone who is utterly incompetent assumes themselves to be of above-average competence.

To explain it in a more relevant way to the particular discussion at hand, earlier I discussed your teacher's failure to "indoctrinate" you into an adult level of reading comprehension. They may have attempted to "indoctrinate" you, but since you were impervious to their efforts (as would be expected from a person on your end of the Dunning-Kruger spectrum), you failed to become "indoctrinated".

Thus, despite the valient, perhaps even herculean, efforts of your teachers, nobody can ever claim that you've been "indoctrinated" to an adult level of reading comprehension as the attempt was clearly unsuccessful.

Going back to your initial incompetently worded sentence, you said "After being indoctrinated throughout the school year that the lunches are so much better, of course those results would be expected."

Now, you have made it clear that you used better to mean something akin to "tastier" or "more likable" rather than "healthy". This is, in and of itself, an incompetent use fo the English language, but we'll leave it alone for now as it is not necessary to demonstrate your astounding incompetence with the word indoctrinated.

For the Students to have been indoctrinated that the food is tastier or more likeable, they would actually have to believe that it is tastier/more likable.

Your incompetent attempt to support your incompetent sentence was to claim that the teachers indoctrinated them. Due to your failure to comprehend English language, however, you failed to recognize that there is a clear and obvious distinction between "indoctrinating" and "attempting to indoctrinate". The former is successful in altering the indoctrinated person's beliefs to be in accordance with the indoctrinator's views, while the latter scenario leaves an unindoctrinated person who has not conformed to the indoctrinator's views.

When I asked if your position was that the children were told that they liked the food, therefore they liked the food, you claimed I didn't comprehend the word and cut and paste a definition which you clearly did not comprehend as defense for your incompetent use of the English language.

The key failure of your sentence (besides you utterly incompetent use of the word "better" in the context of the discussion) was the use of "after being". If the children were indoctrinated, then their views had conformed. If your use of the word better" was, as you claim, intended to be about "liking" rather than "healthier", then your sentence states, unequivocally, that telling the kids that they liked the food was effective in causing the kids to actually like the food.

But these are merely facts. As the Dunning-Kruger effect indicates, you are utterly incapable of perceiving facts in an adequate fashion so they will not have any affect upon your own flawed self-perception of competence.

Now it's time for you to say "Wrong again" and "says the guy who didn't comprehend the definition" in a fit of grandiose delusion.
:doh

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Holy delusional ****.
We are speaking of that between us. No one else.
Do try to focus.
You were wrong and continue to be so, which is the only reason you are told you are. Because you are wrong. Which is just something else which you can not comprehend. Further providing an example of how Dunning-Kruger applies to you.
Your verbosity doesn't change that.
 
:doh

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Holy delusional ****.
We are speaking of that between us. No one else.
Do try to focus.
You were wrong and continue to be so, which is the only reason you are told you are. Because you are wrong. Which is just something else which you can not comprehend. Further providing an example of how Dunning-Kruger applies to you.
Your verbosity doesn't change that.

And yet another fine example of Excon's 'I know you are but what am I. Nanananaboo, stick your head in doo doo. I like Chocolate pudding, especially when it comes from inside of my pants' defense.
 
And anyone with half and intelligence damn well knows when "study finds" precedes the subject - it's automatically bull****.

For instance...

"Study Finds That North Koreans Prefer To Eat Grass Instead of Rotten Rat and Human Corpses."

Journalism at it's finest...

If I read correctly, this study says that the school administrators think that the students like the healthier lunches better. Huh? Forgive for asking the obvious (and I didn't read 46 pages of posts), but why the hell didn't they ask the students? That might be another obvious answer.
 
If I read correctly, this study says that the school administrators think that the students like the healthier lunches better. Huh? Forgive for asking the obvious (and I didn't read 46 pages of posts), but why the hell didn't they ask the students? That might be another obvious answer.

Why chance it with a possible negative response when administrators can given an opinion in favor of the political push which equal a "He likes it! Hey Mikey!" moment for the press to regurgitate.
 
People are actually complaining that public schools are feeding children a healthy diet. Alright then.
Do you have any empirical evidence that the schools are feeding the children a healthy diet?

They feed them low fat milk. That's just milk with most of the nutrition removed from it so that corporations can use those nutrients in other products. That's not healthy.

The replace meat with "texturized soy protein". That's not healthy.
 
The replace meat with "texturized soy protein". That's not healthy.

Eww..

I avoid all soy based products like they are poison. They aren't poison of course, but I can't imagine that it is good for boys to be taking in all that soy. Soy increases estrogen levels and boys and men should avoid it. It's ok to take in some, but at certain point it is harmful and the body can not produce enough testosterone to counter balance the estrogen introduced into the system. This amount is different for men of course since their amount of testosterone and their ability to produce it varies based on their age, health, and genetics. If I had a teen boy I would not feed him anything with soy in it and I would tell him to avoid it and why he should do so.
 
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If I read correctly, this study says that the school administrators think that the students like the healthier lunches better. Huh? Forgive for asking the obvious (and I didn't read 46 pages of posts), but why the hell didn't they ask the students? That might be another obvious answer.

Hence, it's not a "study" its a ****ing poll.

The use of the word "study" is a journalistic tactic to brainwash people ....... The typical idiot will say "its a study so it must be true" however if they said a "poll" no one would pay any damn attention because everyone (well most people) know a poll is nonsense, but the word "study" sounds "scientific" hence the sheep cant argue with that..


It's called partisan journalism and progressive leaning journalists are quite the propaganda artists, which is why you find all the juicy facts that make you think about a story at the bottom of the damn article - they know the sheep wont read a long article to the end, hence they fill the first few paragraphs (if not pages) with THEIR opinion but written in an objective manner..

So instead of "poll" they say "study."

This is why the media is garbage and why people who poll others and call them "studies" should be forbidden from ever attempting science at a professional level ever again.
 
And yet another fine example of Excon's 'I know you are but what am I. Nanananaboo, stick your head in doo doo. I like Chocolate pudding, especially when it comes from inside of my pants' defense.
:doh
You are again just speaking of yourself. :lamo
Those facts wont change.


When I asked if your position was that the children were told that they liked the food, therefore they liked the food, you claimed I didn't comprehend the word and cut and paste a definition which you clearly did not comprehend as defense for your incompetent use of the English language.
Wrong.

This is where it started and that which made your position erroneous from the start.
Not just because what was being spoken about was their "like" as perceived by the administrators, but also because you limited yourself to one narrow definition, when the definition is far more expansive than that. Your failure.

Indoctrinate means: to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs

Facts are not "ideas, opinions or beliefs", they are facts. Example of a Fact: Carrots are healthier for you than hot dogs.

If you have an opinion that is in opposition to a fact, then you are a ****ing retard and your opinion is ****ing worthless.

EVERYONE should fully accept facts and reject opinions that try to defy the facts. that's not called indoctrination, that's called not being a ****ing retard.


When kids are repeatedly told by their authority figures (teachers/instructors/administrators), 1. to stop complaining about, and 2. that something is better/good/healthy for them, they will naturally exhibit such an opinion and express it as liking the food to those authority figures. That is indoctrination any way you wish to look at it.
Which is being reflected in the administrators perceived opinion of the students opinions.
It is like you didn't even read the article before replying. As that was expressed as liking the food, not in liking it because it was healthier.

Had you actually read and comprehended what the article relayed, you would have understood what was meant without further clarification.
Again, your failure.


The key failure of your sentence (besides you utterly incompetent use of the word "better" in the context of the discussion) was the use of "after being". If the children were indoctrinated, then their views had conformed. If your use of the word better" was, as you claim, intended to be about "liking" rather than "healthier", then your sentence states, unequivocally, that telling the kids that they liked the food was effective in causing the kids to actually like the food.
Wrong.
Again, your failure at comprehension.
 
Not just because what was being spoken about was their "like" as perceived by the administrators,

Explain how "their like as perceived by the administrators" is conveyed with the statement "After being indoctrinated throughout the school year that the lunches are so much better...".


I'm giving you a chance to attempt to demonstrate that your perception of your own competence is not delusional. I seriously doubt that you will be able to do so, though.
 
When kids are repeatedly told by their authority figures (teachers/instructors/administrators), 1. to stop complaining about, and 2. that something is better/good/healthy for them, they will naturally exhibit such an opinion and express it as liking the food to those authority figures. That is indoctrination any way you wish to look at it.

So, although you did not wish to admit it earlier, your position IS that they've been told that they like it therefore they now like it.

Because if you are saying that the kids are LYING to the administrators in order to avoid punishment, you are certainly NOT talking about indoctrination.
 
Explain how "their like as perceived by the administrators" is conveyed with the statement "After being indoctrinated throughout the school year that the lunches are so much better...".


I'm giving you a chance to attempt to demonstrate that your perception of your own competence is not delusional. I seriously doubt that you will be able to do so, though.
Oh look. Again showing your lack of comprehension. :doh
It was already explained.
 
Oh look. Again showing your lack of comprehension. :doh
It was already explained.

I see that you cannot demonstrate your competence. Why do you still chose to delude yourself despite the evidence suggesting otherwise?
 
Excon: In your opinion, do the kids actually like the lunches or are they simply telling the administrators what they think the administrators want to hear?
 
So, although you did not wish to admit it earlier, your position IS that they've been told that they like it therefore they now like it.

Because if you are saying that the kids are LYING to the administrators in order to avoid punishment, you are certainly NOT talking about indoctrination.
Your comprehension is still lacking, as that is not what I said.


Oh look. Again showing your lack of comprehension. :doh
It was already explained.
I see that you cannot demonstrate your competence. Why do you still chose to delude yourself despite the evidence suggesting otherwise?
:naughty
No. That is you who has failed to demonstrate such.
Which is exactly why I stated the following.
"Again showing your lack of comprehension. :doh
It was already explained."

So sorry you can't comprehend that.
 
Excon: In your opinion, do the kids actually like the lunches or are they simply telling the administrators what they think the administrators want to hear?

Do you think the administrators actually polled their students, or are reflecting their own personal beliefs?
 
Do you think the administrators actually polled their students, or are reflecting their own personal beliefs?

You weren't claiming the administrators were indoctrinated, so your question is utterly irrelevant.

I repeat: do you believe the kids like the food, or do you believe that they do not like the food? simple question, the answer of which will totally your demonstrate your actual level of comprehension regarding the word "indoctrinated".Are you afraid to answer it?
 
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