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Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

ludin said:
you evidently don't understand what neutral calories and negative calories are. please go look them up and then get back to us. about the only thing with any substance is that sandwhich. that depends on what is in it.

the milk? little to none it is skim milk
the carrots and celery take more calories to consume than they give back so negative.
the nuts are the same. it takes more to consume them than what they give.

the apple is the same way.

just to show the success of the program for the first time schools have seen a decline in the school lunch program.
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There are 86 calories in skim milk. There are 103 in 1% milk.

The rest has been debunked. It is miniscule amounts burned digesting it.

But the food is still available.
 
Redress said:
Well, you know, I am somehow going to take the word of actual reporting than the word of some guy on the internet for it.

Here are more:

Negative Calorie Foods: Fact or Fiction? | Ask The Fitness Nerd : Answer Fitness®: Practical Fitness Advice for Everyone
The Truth Behind Negative Calorie Foods | LIVESTRONG Fitness Blog
Does Eating Celery Really Result in Negative Calories? | Mental Floss
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Apples & Negative Calorie Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM
How Many Calories Does Digestion Use Up? | LIVESTRONG.COM

according to the second link if you eat fiberous foods you burn about 20% of the calories in digestion. this is why people on diets eat a lot of fruits and vegatables and protean, because just eating and digesting the 2 of them is about 50% burn off of the calories consumed.

that doesn't include exercise.
 
roguenuke said:
There are 86 calories in skim milk. There are 103 in 1% milk.

The rest has been debunked. It is miniscule amounts burned digesting it.

But the food is still available.
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you can continue to say debunked but it isn't. so continue with this false way of thinking.

there are reason that people on diets or trying to lose weight eat more fruits vegtables and protiens. it is because you body consumes large amounts of calories just trying to process it.
 
Meadowlark said:
From the article:

"Participation in the school-meal program has declined in recent years, fueling questions about the regulations' impact.

"Our big concern is that participation continues to slide," said Diane Pratt-Heavner, spokeswoman for the School Nutrition Association, which represents 55,000 school-nutritional professionals. The group seeks a relaxation of the rules, and says it believes they play a role in the decline in students participating.

Nationwide, participation in the school-lunch program fell by 1.2 million students, or 3.7%, from the 2010-2011 school year through the 2012-2013 year after having steadily increased for many years, according to a Feb. 27 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. State and local officials reported the drop was due in part to the new standards".

With the students liking new healthier lunches, shouldn't the participation be increasing?
Instead students are dropping out of the program completely, that in itself speaks volumes.
Along with nutritional professionals seeking changes of the rules, which doesn't say much for the current guidelines.
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ssssh those are facts.
 
ludin said:
Apples & Negative Calorie Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM
How Many Calories Does Digestion Use Up? | LIVESTRONG.COM

according to the second link if you eat fiberous foods you burn about 20% of the calories in digestion. this is why people on diets eat a lot of fruits and vegatables and protean, because just eating and digesting the 2 of them is about 50% burn off of the calories consumed.

that doesn't include exercise.
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That does not make them negative calories, and digestion uses up part of the calories of all food. Low calorie is not the same thing as negative calories, and the calories and nutrients found in the foods are still of benefit.
 
ludin said:
you can continue to say debunked but it isn't. so continue with this false way of thinking.

there are reason that people on diets or trying to lose weight eat more fruits vegtables and protiens. it is because you body consumes large amounts of calories just trying to process it.
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Gawd.

This kind of thinking is one of the reasons people are so fat.
 
clownboy said:
Try actually reading for comprehension. The issue with the so-called negative calorie foods is that they are used for dieting FOR A REASON.



You were saying there were plenty of calories on that plate?



Then you've lost your ability to read. And put the semantic BS away. Milk and nut allergies are much more prevalent today. Both links point that out.
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From your link (first paragraph, no less):

there is no scientific evidence supporting the idea that any food is a negative-calorie food.
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grip said:
95 apple
4 celery
4 carrot
103 milk
21 almond
92 bread
70 peanut butter
50 jelly
___________

439 calories
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For that one meal. The average 4-8 year old (this was a meal for a 2nd grader, according to his mother) needs only about 1600 calories (total) for a day. What did they have for breakfast? Should have been 300-400 calories. Most schools have snack time before lunch for elementary school. Another 100 or so calories. Then they will almost certainly have an after school snack (many schools offer these for those that have after school programs that care for kids for longer than an hour or so after school). This would be about another 150-250 calories (assuming that it is provided by the school). So they need another 600 calories for dinner. 2 slices of pizza from pizza hut (12", regular crust, pepperoni pizza = 520 calories) would put them at just around 1600 calories. Any desserts or junk food after school til they go to bed and they've gone well over that 1600 for the day.
 
ludin said:
you can continue to say debunked but it isn't. so continue with this false way of thinking.

there are reason that people on diets or trying to lose weight eat more fruits vegtables and protiens. it is because you body consumes large amounts of calories just trying to process it.
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It is not bad for children to eat fruits and vegetables and lots of them. They provide lots of nutrients that children need, even if very few calories (they are still not "negative calories"). The point of eating them while dieting is that they fill you up with very few calories and provide nutrition to the dieting person. They still have calories, that are the same calories as any other food you would eat. That has been proven. No matter if you eat a piece of meat with 100 calories or 6 carrots that are only around 24 calories total, your body is still only going to burn the same amount of those calories doing an activity such as walking for a few minutes. So that 450 calories the child is putting into their body from fruits or veggies is still going to the total of calories they are taking in.
 
roguenuke said:
There are 86 calories in skim milk. There are 103 in 1% milk.

The rest has been debunked. It is miniscule amounts burned digesting it.

But the food is still available.
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No, it hasn't. The foods may not be negative calories, but the resulting calorie yield is so low they are considered "negative calorie" foods. They are just eating it for extremely little gain. That's not what we want for growing children.

As to the milk, there is no indication it's 1% or skim. In fact, to be so it must say that on the carton. The pictured carton is whole milk. But you've done nothing to address the fact that more and more kids are reacting badly to milk.

Look the idea of lunch (formally known in school planning documents as "lunch recess" btw) is to fortify the growing kids for the rest of the school day. This doesn't cut it.
 
ludin said:
Apples & Negative Calorie Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM
How Many Calories Does Digestion Use Up? | LIVESTRONG.COM

according to the second link if you eat fiberous foods you burn about 20% of the calories in digestion. this is why people on diets eat a lot of fruits and vegatables and protean, because just eating and digesting the 2 of them is about 50% burn off of the calories consumed.

that doesn't include exercise.
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Those links are for adults burning calories. In fact, from that link, it even says that the more muscle mass a person has, the more calories they burn during digestion. A child does not have a lot of muscle mass. Children's bodies do not work the same way as grownup bodies do.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Which would you rather your children ate for lunch?
Before:

Bean and cheese burrito (5.3 oz) with mozzarella cheese (1 oz)
Applesauce (1/4 cup)
Orange juice (4 oz)
2 percent milk (8 oz)

After:

Turkey (1 oz) and low-fat cheese (0.5 oz) sandwich on whole wheat bread
Refried beans (1/2 cup)
Jicama (1/4 cup)
Green pepper strips (1/4 cup)
Cantaloupe wedges (1/2 cup)
Skim milk (8 oz)
Mustard (9 grams)
Reduced fat mayonnaise (1 oz)
Low-fat ranch drip (1 oz)
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MMmmm........

Jicama, every person must have this item on their grocery list


"It's likely that you're not particularly familiar with jicama -- this crunchy, white vegetable isn't exactly the most common ingredient in the U.S."
How To Make Jicama Taste Its Most Delicious (PHOTOS)

Not sure where you found these menus, but neither would be my choice
 
roguenuke said:
For that one meal. The average 4-8 year old (this was a meal for a 2nd grader, according to his mother) needs only about 1600 calories (total) for a day. What did they have for breakfast? Should have been 300-400 calories. Most schools have snack time before lunch for elementary school. Another 100 or so calories. Then they will almost certainly have an after school snack (many schools offer these for those that have after school programs that care for kids for longer than an hour or so after school). This would be about another 150-250 calories (assuming that it is provided by the school). So they need another 600 calories for dinner. 2 slices of pizza from pizza hut (12", regular crust, pepperoni pizza = 520 calories) would put them at just around 1600 calories. Any desserts or junk food after school til they go to bed and they've gone well over that 1600 for the day.
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That's fine if you're raising sedentary girls on the baseline.

Because 4- to 8-year-old boys are often bigger than girls within the same age range, they generally require more calories as well. Active 4- to 8-year-old children need more calories than their inactive counterparts. For example, girls ages 4 to 8 often need 1,200 calories daily if they are sedentary, 1,400 to 1,600 calories if they are moderately active and 1,400 to 1,800 calories a day if they are regularly active. Also, 4- to 8-year-old boys generally need 1,400 calories when they’re sedentary, 1,400 to 1,600 calories if they are moderately active and 1,600 to 2,000 calories daily when they are active, notes the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.
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How Many Calories Should a Child Be Eating? | LIVESTRONG.COM
 
clownboy said:
No, it hasn't. The foods may not be negative calories, but the resulting calorie yield is so low they are considered "negative calorie" foods. They are just eating it for extremely little gain. That's not what we want for growing children.

As to the milk, there is no indication it's 1% or skim. In fact, to be so it must say that on the carton. The pictured carton is whole milk. But you've done nothing to address the fact that more and more kids are reacting badly to milk.

Look the idea of lunch (formally known in school planning documents as "lunch recess" btw) is to fortify the growing kids for the rest of the school day. This doesn't cut it.
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I didn't say it was skim milk, the poster I quoted did. I was pointing out that there were calories in skim milk. If it is whole milk, that is even more calories.

That is a completely different issue, a health related issue. Most children I know do fine with milk.

Those calories still go into the total calories. it isn't digestion that is the issue as much as you burn 4 calories by simply walking for a minute or so. But that is true for no matter where the calories are coming from. They are eating carrots, celery and apples for the many nutrients that those foods provide.

Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]

Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Carrots, raw [Includes USDA commodity food A099]

Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Celery, raw

And those are just the very base facts. Other pages talk about the additional health benefits from each of these foods.

That lunch does cut it for a 7 or 8 year old, and certainly younger children, and that is who it is being fed to. Especially when, as I've said multiple times (since I am a mother and know what is going on in at least two different schools just this past year), they also have snack times for elementary school kids that provide more calories as well.
 
clownboy said:
That's fine if you're raising sedentary girls on the baseline.

How Many Calories Should a Child Be Eating? | LIVESTRONG.COM
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Wrong. That is the same source I used. From that source:

"Also, 4- to 8-year-old boys generally need 1,400 calories when they’re sedentary, 1,400 to 1,600 calories if they are moderately active".

You cannot base it off the most active children, but rather the average, and I used the 1600 calories, which is the highest amount for the average 8 year old boy.
 
clownboy said:
No, it hasn't. The foods may not be negative calories, but the resulting calorie yield is so low they are considered "negative calorie" foods. They are just eating it for extremely little gain. That's not what we want for growing children.
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Here is what you actually said
clownboy said:
. The carrots and celery are diet foods for a reason, takes more calories to chew than are gotten from them.
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You didn't say "the resulting calorie yield is so low". You didn't say they have "little gain"

your running away from what you said is proof that even you recognize that it's a lie
 
sangha said:
Since I asked about what you said, you're probably right
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grip said:
Let's try this again without the political bias and lean.

Why can't there be a diet with a little more variety, like extra carbs and meat?

Maybe even a small dessert with natural sweeteners?

My niece grew up eating literally whatever she wanted, now she's a lard ass. There could've been some middle ground, where they offered better choices without going full hippy diet.
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Why no answer to this question, sang ha?

At least we know who's abusing the subject, instead of trying to find a solution or compromise. Politics per usual, eh?
 
ludin said:
this is what we call not reading the links posted.
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Your links were a Greek tragedy for anyone trying to lose weight or understand weight loss.

From the Mayo clinic.

The Internet abounds with lists of purported negative-calorie foods — foods that supposedly take more energy to digest than they provide in calories. Many of these foods are vegetables and fruits, which can be part of an overall healthy diet plan. But they're probably not negative-calorie.

The theory is that you can lose weight by eating lots of these negative-calorie foods. Celery is a commonly cited example because it's mainly water and fiber. Proponents claim that you will burn more calories digesting celery than it contains, for a net loss.

Here's the reality. Throughout the day, about 5 to 10 percent of your total energy expenditure goes to digest and store the nutrients in the food you eat. Foods that contain few calories, such as celery and other nonstarchy vegetables, provide a small number of calories but still require energy to digest. That means it is theoretically possible to have a negative-calorie food, but there are no reputable scientific studies to prove that certain foods have this effect.

The bottom line: Following extreme diets that promote eating only a few foods can cause you to miss out on important nutrients. The key to successful weight loss is adopting a healthy lifestyle that includes a balanced diet and regular exercise.
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You're on the wrong side of science on this one.
 
Josie said:
I cannot tell you how many pounds of green beans, corn and carrots I've seen that are dumped into the trash in the school cafeteria everyday.
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You can't tell us because you do not know.
 
grip said:
Why no answer to this question, sang ha?

At least we know who's abusing the subject, instead of trying to find a solution or compromise. Politics per usual, eh?
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Are you unaware that many schools offer a treat (at additional cost) for students? But, that this isn't always true and never has been for all schools? In fact, many high school students and even some middle schoolers have the option of buying things such as ice cream as a la carte items. But, even when I was a teenager, these were additional cost to the regular meal. They were never included in the meal.

Plus, parents are still free to send treats with their children if they want them to have a treat with their lunch in addition to the school provided meal.
 
roguenuke said:
Wrong. That is the same source I used. From that source:

"Also, 4- to 8-year-old boys generally need 1,400 calories when they’re sedentary, 1,400 to 1,600 calories if they are moderately active".

You cannot base it off the most active children, but rather the average, and I used the 1600 calories, which is the highest amount for the average 8 year old boy.
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Tell you what, YOU feed your kids at that rate. And if you're at all honest with yourself, they'll be hungry most of the time.
 
roguenuke said:
Are you unaware that many schools offer a treat (at additional cost) for students? But, that this isn't always true and never has been for all schools? In fact, many high school students and even some middle schoolers have the option of buying things such as ice cream as a la carte items. But, even when I was a teenager, these were additional cost to the regular meal. They were never included in the meal.

Plus, parents are still free to send treats with their children if they want them to have a treat with their lunch in addition to the school provided meal.
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I can tell you from experience that is not true. All through my youth in public schools and teaching in elementary schools a dessert was included in the standard school meal. That's California. Lot of pudding, sometimes cake.
 
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