Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

Excon · Jul 22, 2014

Buck Ewer said:
If not junk then at least not as healthy. Fat kids don't need more fat in their diets ...they need less.

These are not for you or the Gov to decide.

Buck Ewer said:
The government / public schools has a duty to teach what foods are healthier choices. If by example ...all the better.
That is teaching, not indoctrination.

Bs! The Gov teaching what it is doing is correct/right/good/not wrong/healthy is indoctrination.

Buck Ewer said:
Stop and think for a moment ...You are arguing that the schools should feed kids less healthy food...
Is that really who you want to be?
Just to be anti-Obama?

You stop and think. Your position involves force and indoctrination.
That is as wrong as wrong can be.

It is not the Gov's business who eats what.
All you are doing is exemplifying the real problem.
The Gov incrementally takes control of something it shouldn't, then starts forcing. It is wrong.

And that "Just to be anti-Obama" is ridiculous, and just shows you have no valid argument.

Morality Games · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
If you do not want to believe them don't. That is on you.
But I need not provide more.
And of course I am going to select those that make the point.
So again, if you do not want to believe them that is on you.

And if the kids have a choice, then offer them what they will eat. Not crap they wont even take.
And as noted by another, as well as on-line, more crap that they have to take is tossed. It is doing no good.

Yes it is. Pushing/teaching/indoctrinating anything the Gov does as right/good/healthy, etc... Is wrong.

If it is, it didn't used to be.
We do not need any GOv involvement.
We need less.

... "Kentucky" is as far as you need to look to see what's going on in those pictures.

Kentucky doesn't have any other suppliers (they have the worst public health scores in the country and their food economy reflects it), so they have to continue feeding the same graven laden meat carb crap as before. Just sans the sides to meet calories quotas.

Other states have similar problems.

the_recruit · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
If you do not want to believe them don't. That is on you.
But I need not provide more.
And of course I am going to select those that make the point.
So again, if you do not want to believe them that is on you.

Well I can't say I'm surprised your source is tweets from pimply-faced, voice-cracking high school kids who turn down the included salad and then whine about not having enough to eat. As james said - spoiled little brats. But, hey, don't worry about these kids - their spineless parents will give their precious little darling a few bucks so he can buy skittles and mountain dew out of the vending machines.

Excon said:
And if the kids have a choice, then offer them what they will eat. Not crap they wont even take.

No. How about we not apologize for lousy parenting. How about you teach your child to finish his plate and eat his ****ing greens. Why do you advocate caving to a pouting child? Is that your idea of parenting?

Excon said:
Yes it is. Pushing/teaching/indoctrinating anything the Gov does as right/good/healthy, etc... Is wrong.

Oh please, quit being so dramatic. There's nothing wrong with serving kids a few more veggies at lunch. FFS, get a hobby. :roll:

Renae · Jul 22, 2014

the_recruit said:
No one's dictating anything to you. Don't like it, pack your child a lunch.

Schools already serve lunches. Schools already decide what to serve. That's all that's happening - a decision on what to serve for lunch. This is not a new restriction on your freedom. Your kids are being offered a healthier lunch than before. Quit your bitching. Save your faux outrage.

Lol, if it's for the kids, you people just happily follow along. "Oh how can you be against THIS it's for the CHILDREN!". Sad.

the_recruit · Jul 22, 2014

MrVicchio said:
Lol, if it's for the kids, you people just happily follow along. "Oh how can you be against THIS it's for the CHILDREN!". Sad.

(Just don't send the apple - wouldn't want the children to have to choke down any fruits or veggies).

Excon · Jul 22, 2014

the_recruit said:
Well I can't say I'm surprised your source is tweets from pimply-faced, voice-cracking high school kids who turn down the included salad and then whine about not having enough to eat. As james said - spoiled little brats. But, hey, don't worry about these kids - their spineless parents will give their precious little darling a few bucks so he can buy skittles and mountain dew out of the vending machines.

:doh
:lamo
That person that turned down the salad was the parent. And even with a salad it isn't very appetizing. Which is part of the problem.

the_recruit said:
No. How about we not apologize for lousy parenting. How about you teach your child to finish his plate and eat his ****ing greens. Why do you advocate caving to a pouting child? Is that your idea of parenting?

How cute, you can't discern between Gov involvement and parental involvement. So of course you want Gov involvement where it doesn't belong.
Figures.

the_recruit said:
Oh please, quit being so dramatic. There's nothing wrong with serving kids a few more veggies at lunch. FFS, get a hobby. :roll:

Typical reply of one who desires a nanny State, as such, your argument fails.
There is nothing wrong with them bringing their own meal either.
And as a school lunch program exists, there is nothing wrong with simply offering it to those who want it.
But making it only an, and/or nothing, is wrong.

the_recruit · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
:doh
:lamo
That person that turned down the salad was the parent.

All the sadder.

Excon said:
And even with a salad it isn't very appetizing.

Have you ever had a school lunch before? They all look like that, they're all unappetizing as ****. Mystery meat slop with a few hairs from the obese lunch lady for garnish.

And now Michelle Obama comes in and tries to improve things! That bitch!

Excon said:
Which is part of the problem.

A problem that has existed since school lunches have existed. A problem that clearly isn't going to fix itself because it hasn't fixed itself over the past God knows how many decades. Maybe if we just sit on our hands and wait a few more decades our problems will fix themselves, right! :roll:

Excon said:
How cute,

Why thank you.

Excon said:
you can't discern between Gov involvement and parental involvement. So of course you want Gov involvement where it doesn't belong.
Figures.

I can discern the two just fine. I disagree with your belief that we should appease ****ty behavior from kids stemming from ****ty parenting. The reason kids are throwing green beans in the trash doesn't have a thing to do with the government. It has to do with ****ty parenting. How about acknowleding some personal responsibility instead of trying to blame someone else (the gubmint) for our problems.

Excon said:
Typical reply of one who desires a nanny State,

Really? I wouldn't know. I have no desire for such a thing.

Excon said:
as such, your argument fails.

How's that?

Excon said:
There is nothing wrong with them bringing their own meal either.

Yep. Exactly what I said earlier.

Excon said:
And as a school lunch program exists, there is nothing wrong with simply offering it to those who want it.

That's right. If you don't want the school lunch you don't have to buy it.

Excon said:
But making it only an, and/or nothing, is wrong.

Nobody is requiring anybody to eat Michelle Obama's lunch. You can feed your child anything you want for lunch. Every parent can.

So spare me your "Help Help, I'm being oppressed" Monty Python impression.

Excon · Jul 22, 2014

the_recruit said:
So spare me your "Help Help, I'm being oppressed"

And you got it wrong again. You really should stop saying folks are saying something they are not.

the_recruit said:
All the sadder.

Yep all the more sadder that you didn't know who you were talking about.

the_recruit said:
Have you ever had a school lunch before? They all look like that, they're all unappetizing as ****. Mystery meat slop with a few hairs from the obese lunch lady for garnish.

the_recruit said:
And now Michelle Obama comes in and tries to improve things! That bitch!

Not her's, the Gov's or your job.

the_recruit said:
A problem that has existed since school lunches have existed. A problem that clearly isn't going to fix itself because it hasn't fixed itself over the past God knows how many decades. Maybe if we just sit on our hands and wait a few more decades our problems will fix themselves, right! :roll:

:doh
It is part of a problem that doesn't need to exist in the first place.
Nor should the Gov be involved.

the_recruit said:
I can discern the two just fine. I disagree with your belief that we should appease ****ty behavior from kids stemming from ****ty parenting. The reason kids are throwing green beans in the trash doesn't have a thing to do with the government. It has to do with ****ty parenting. How about acknowleding some personal responsibility instead of trying to blame someone else (the gubmint) for our problems.

Obviously you can not discern as I have not said what you say I did.
The Gov does not belong in this at all.
Personal responsibility means providing your own food for your own child. Not Gov involvement.

the_recruit said:
Really? I wouldn't know. I have no desire for such a thing.

Bs! Gov involvement is. Then the Gov dictating what can be eaten is further Nanny State control.

the_recruit said:
Nobody is requiring anybody to eat Michelle Obama's lunch. You can feed your child anything you want for lunch. Every parent can.

Ah geez! The school lunch provided by the Gov is already relied upon. Duh!
When that is all that is relied upon and the program only offers such that is where the problem lies. It may not be required to eat it but it is all that is relied upon.
That is the problem of Gov involvement in the first place. :doh

Linc · Jul 22, 2014

All one has to do concerning changing eating habits is to come to a popular National Park and look at the shapes of the tourists. It is very rare to see a European or Oriental obese .

VanceMack · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo

Actual served meals.

I truly believe that every person in this country on food stamps or assistance should have their government funded cards and food stamps pulled and they should be blessed with these healthy and nutritious meals as their ONLY form of assistance. For the children.

Excon · Jul 22, 2014

VanceMack said:
I truly believe that every person in this country on food stamps or assistance should have their government funded cards and food stamps pulled and they should be blessed with these healthy and nutritious meals as their ONLY form of assistance. For the children.

:applaud
Do you think the libs would go for that?

Linc · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
These are not for you or the Gov to decide.

Bs! The Gov teaching what it is doing is correct/right/good/not wrong/healthy is indoctrination.

You stop and think. Your position involves force and indoctrination.
That is as wrong as wrong can be.

It is not the Gov's business who eats what.
All you are doing is exemplifying the real problem.
The Gov incrementally takes control of something it shouldn't, then starts forcing. It is wrong.

And that "Just to be anti-Obama" is ridiculous, and just shows you have no valid argument.

Exorbitant health care costs due to complications with obesity and diet are every government's responsibility. One T-shirt I saw here at Yellowstone said "Emergency Care Interferes with Natural Selection" .

Linc · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
:applaud
Do you think the libs would go for that?

Those libs you mention would live longer and healthier lives and help elect more libbos .

reinoe · Jul 22, 2014

Morality Games said:
People are actually complaining that public schools are feeding children a healthy diet. Alright then.

That's what public discourse has come to from some folks.

DA60 · Jul 22, 2014

This study was written rather iffily (my word), from what I saw.

They used words like 'agreeable' and 'generally liked'...pretty vague terminology, IMO.

I think it's good that students eat healthier foods...but there is a big difference between foods being 'agreeable' and 'preferable'.

I highly doubt if given the choice of a salad or pizza that most students would choose the former.

But, at least they seem to not mind healthier foods...which is good, of course.

Excon · Jul 22, 2014

NIMBY said:
Exorbitant health care costs due to complications with obesity and diet are every government's responsibility.

No it is not.
It is the individuals responsibility.

NIMBY said:
One T-shirt I saw here at Yellowstone said "Emergency Care Interferes with Natural Selection".

And?

NIMBY said:
Those libs you mention would live longer and healthier lives and help elect more libbos .

:doh
Not necessarily.

But what it does do is indoctrinate kids to be dependent on a Nanny State.

jamesrage · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
If you do not want to believe them don't. That is on you.
But I need not provide more.
And of course I am going to select those that make the point.
So again, if you do not want to believe them that is on you.

Again alleged photos from school don't mean mean anything.Any schmuck can stick alleged school food on a tray,take a picture of it and claim this is all the school is serving.Styrofoam trays are actually pretty common and so are hard plastic trays.For around 30 bucks plus money for shiping you can get a case of 500 hundred of those exact trays on amazon and I am sure any walmart or other store carry those or similar trays.

Here is a picture of what looks like Obama checking out a underaged girl's ass while France's president at the time Nicolas Sarkozy with a **** eating grin on his face..But that doesn't mean that is actually going on.Much like I seriously doubt the school just handed a kid a flour tortilla with a slice of lunch meat a slice of cheese for lunch and said thats it or handed a kid a measely sandwich,3 grape tomatoes and a milk and said that's it for lunch.

And if the kids have a choice, then offer them what they will eat. Not crap they wont even take.
And as noted by another, as well as on-line, more crap that they have to take is tossed. It is doing no good.

According the OP article 70 percent of the kids like the healthy food.So the idea they are not even taking it is absurd.

Yes it is. Pushing/teaching/indoctrinating anything the Gov does as right/good/healthy, etc... Is wrong.

A school's sole job is to educate.Educating kids on proper nutrition is not indoctrination.It is educating kids as to what proper nutrition is.

If it is, it didn't used to be.
We do not need any GOv involvement.
We need less

.

You do know that public schools are run by government and funded with tax dollars, right? That's what makes them public schools.Are they supposed point kids towards the direction of the strip malls for lunch and provide food coupons for poor kids or say to the kids your mommy doesn't love you enough to feed you so no school lunch for you?

jamesrage · Jul 22, 2014

DA60 said:
This study was written rather iffily (my word), from what I saw.

They used words like 'agreeable' and 'generally liked'...pretty vague terminology, IMO.

I think it's good that students eat healthier foods...but there is a big difference between foods being 'agreeable' and 'preferable'.

I highly doubt if given the choice of a salad or pizza that most students would choose the former.

But, at least they seem to not mind healthier foods...which is good, of course.

I do not know if you ever went to public school but school cafeteria food was not really known to be great in the first place.

DA60 · Jul 22, 2014

jamesrage said:
I do not know if you ever went to public school but school cafeteria food was not really known to be great in the first place.

Do you mean tasty or healthy?

Infinite Chaos · Jul 22, 2014

jamesrage said:
-- A school's sole job is to educate.Educating kids on proper nutrition is not indoctrination.It is educating kids as to what proper nutrition is.

At the most pedantic, ignorant level you could argue that inculcating ideas into young minds is "indoctrination" but that implies the lack of understanding of what "teaching" is these days. If teachers are producing questioning critical minds in their schools then they are highly unlikely to be fooled by simplistic indoctrination.

Besides, as you and others have pointed out, pupils and parents still have choice in the matter whether to provide for themselves or to eat the healthy options presented.

VanceMack · Jul 22, 2014

Excon said:
:applaud
Do you think the libs would go for that?

Im sure there are plenty on this site that Im SURE would agree whole heartedlyl!

VanceMack · Jul 22, 2014

NIMBY said:
Those libs you mention would live longer and healthier lives and help elect more libbos .

So thats a yes from Nimby? No more cards or cash payments. Strictly service.

Renae · Jul 22, 2014

the_recruit said:
(Just don't send the apple - wouldn't want the children to have to choke down any fruits or veggies).

That isn't what my problem with this is, I love how you try to make this an "Anti-healthy" thing, because you have no ability to discuss the matter without making it emotion based.

jamesrage · Jul 22, 2014

DA60 said:
Do you mean tasty or healthy?

Both.

roguenuke · Jul 22, 2014

TeleKat said:
Not so sure I'd consider these lunches to be all that healthy. They are very carb-heavy, and not a whole lot of legitimate proteins(meat is rather scarce in the diet). Granted they are probably better than some of the stuff parents have been known to pack, but I'm not particularly comfortable with praising them either. I'm also extremely uncomfortable with some recent policies that allow some schools to override parental judgement when it comes to meals.

Those would be "local" policies, which would have absolutely nothing to do with the actual regulations of the federal government and everything to do with those local schools either a) not understanding the policy (which is just silly since it really isn't that hard to understand) or b) those local schools having those policies.

I can think of one such policy I don't agree with and that would be banning any lunches from home. This however, when looked into can be found in only one school/school district (that I've seen anyway), and it has been a policy for about a while now in that school/school district, at least 6 years, which is longer that the new federal guidelines.

The preschools were not mandated to ban lunches from home either. Some chose to do so, for whatever reasons then blamed it on the new lunch guidelines. Heck, even some of the preschools have had the policies in place for longer than the federal school lunch guidelines, but some have just picked up on this and are trying to use them for political purposes. I do believe there could very well be some state guidelines for preschools/head start programs to not bring lunches from home due to several different concerns, including allergies, storage, and food quality (which may lead to problems for the program if a little kid ends up eating something bad brought from home).

http://readingandwritingproject.com/public/themes/rwproject/resources/assessments/performance/2011-2012/4th%20Grade%20Performance%20Assessments//Chicago_School_Bans_Some_Lunches_Brought_From_Home1.pdf

Study Finds Elementary Students Like New Healthier Lunches

Excon

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Renae

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Linc

NIMBY

VanceMack

Less like the tiger...more like the lion.

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Linc

NIMBY

Linc

NIMBY

reinoe

DA60

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DA60

Infinite Chaos

VanceMack

Less like the tiger...more like the lion.

VanceMack

Less like the tiger...more like the lion.

Renae

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