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Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

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Apparently those morons are now trying to hide their crime by removing the Buk system from the erea.

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Great job! To the person who documented this! Another nail in their coffin.
 

Ukraine is saying that they have all their BUK launchers accounted for, and that the separatists didn't capture any. If this is true, then there's only one place the BUK could have come from that the separatists used to shoot down this plane...
 
Ukraine is saying that they have all their BUK launchers accounted for, and that the separatists didn't capture any. If this is true, then there's only one place the BUK could have come from that the separatists used to shoot down this plane...

That, or the black market.

The theft (well, technically the majority were bought from corrupt officials)of weaponry, including vehicles and other weapons of war, is well documented. It is not completely unbelievable that they could have gotten one from the black market.

Ofc, the likely scenario is as you point out, Putin slipped them some. But there are other possibilities. there is also the possibility that the Ukraine govt has indeed "lost" a few and is denying this for various reasons, including to save face and absolve themselves of any wrong doing.

This isn't a putin defense. It's not. I agree that the scenario you hinted as is the most likely one. I am just saying, seeing as how this whole affair is riddled with lies and deceit it's best to not jump to conclusions. While the blame may fall heavy on the shoulders of the partisan separatists, who is to say that maybe a few other entities don't have a small share of the blame either.
 
Crash claims top AIDS researchers heading to Melbourne

Also.

About 100 of the 298 people killed in the Malaysia Airlines crash were heading to Melbourne for a major AIDS conference, conference attendees have been told.

Health researcher Clive Aspin, who is attending the pre-conference, said the news had hit everyone hard, coming 16 years after AIDS research pioneer Jonathan Mann also died in a plane crash.

Friends and colleagues of Dutch HIV researcher Dr Joep Lange took to social media to express shock that he was among the victims. Dr Lange had been researching HIV for 30 years.

100 doctors and scientists died on that plane. I don't wanna diminish the deaths of the other almost 200 people but still, these were people who were trying to cure and solve the problems of AIDS... god dammit man... this is horrid.
 
Video of recordings containing the dialogue between separatists and some sort of official, which apparently, is Russian GRU (GRU = secret services like CIA combined with SWAT and navy seals, think of them like that. They do hits but also war and also repression on civilians).



The dialogue was intercepted by ukrainian intelligence services.
The Security Service of Ukraine

EDIT: I would say how disgusted I feel but there aren't words. The last guy you saw there, the one claiming that they were bringing in spies, that guy is a knobhead. Screw him. For one, it was leaving Ukraine, it was going to to Kuala Lumpur. There were 100 doctors and scientists heading towards an AIDS convention in Australia. Ffs.
 
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Terrible and stupid as is usually the case it seems!
 
Ukraine is saying that they have all their BUK launchers accounted for, and that the separatists didn't capture any. If this is true, then there's only one place the BUK could have come from that the separatists used to shoot down this plane...

Indeed...

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Crash claims top AIDS researchers heading to Melbourne

Also.



100 doctors and scientists died on that plane. I don't wanna diminish the deaths of the other almost 200 people but still, these were people who were trying to cure and solve the problems of AIDS... god dammit man... this is horrid.

Now here's my question, why the **** would you go on a plain that you know is crossing through Ukraine?

I can't say they deserved it but they really did have it coming...
 
Although there is no proverbial "smoking gun," odds favor the separatists' being responsible.

First, there was a purported social media post, but that post was deleted and its authenticity was not verified (at least not yet).

Second, Ukraine has been using air power, while the separatists lack air power. Therefore, the separatists would be more likely to be firing at planes than Ukraine.

The Ukrainian government has made claims about an intercepted conversation, but both Ukraine and the separatists have engaged in frequent disinformation, so that matter will need to be independently verified.

At the same time, it is possible and perhaps more likely than not that the BUK missile system had been seized at some point from Ukrainian forces. Reuters reported:

On June 29, Russian newswire ITAR-TASS quoted separatists in Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, not far from where the plane went down, as saying they had seized control of a missile defense army unit equipped with the Buk system.

Malaysian airliner downing puts spotlight on Buk missile system | Reuters

Had a serious diplomatic effort been underway to resolve the internal conflict, perhaps the tragedy might not have occurred. Such an opportunity was missed when insufficient pressure was placed on the parties to enact a ceasefire. Russia bears a lot of responsibility, as it should have made efforts to seal its border with Ukraine and made clear to the rebels that it expected them to enact a ceasefire. The U.S. and EU should have urged Ukraine's government to be patient and try diplomacy before resorting to military operations. That didn't happen and the conflict intensified. Conflicts can and do often lead to unintended outcomes and other tragedies.

At the same time, international airlines should avoid conflict zones. Some had been avoiding eastern Ukraine, but others were not. The fact that a Ukrainian SU-27 fighter jet had been downed in recent days suggested that low-flying flights were not the only ones exposed to risk.

Hopefully, the party responsible (likely the rebels) will be held fully accountable for their actions.
 
That, or the black market.

The theft (well, technically the majority were bought from corrupt officials)of weaponry, including vehicles and other weapons of war, is well documented. It is not completely unbelievable that they could have gotten one from the black market.

Ofc, the likely scenario is as you point out, Putin slipped them some. But there are other possibilities. there is also the possibility that the Ukraine govt has indeed "lost" a few and is denying this for various reasons, including to save face and absolve themselves of any wrong doing.

This isn't a putin defense. It's not. I agree that the scenario you hinted as is the most likely one. I am just saying, seeing as how this whole affair is riddled with lies and deceit it's best to not jump to conclusions. While the blame may fall heavy on the shoulders of the partisan separatists, who is to say that maybe a few other entities don't have a small share of the blame either.

Anything is possible in a war zone. Putin has been all over TV today claiming that Kiev is to blame. I have no idea how he can back that up, when Kiev has no troops or equipment anywhere near the location that that multiple sources are saying the missile was launched. To be totally truthful, we still don't know it was a BUK missile? It would appear so, since it's the only system that could reach 33,000 feet into the air. There's also the picture of a damaged missile near the wreckage, that appears to be BUK, but it's not possible for me to make that determination from the short clip that I've seen.

This isn't going to be resolved quickly, or even be determined as to what or who did this very quickly. Moscow either has or is getting the black box, and the scene has been contaminated by goodness knows how many people picking through it already.

We'll just have to have patience and wait and see what occurs in the next few days.
 
Now here's my question, why the **** would you go on a plain that you know is crossing through Ukraine?

I can't say they deserved it but they really did have it coming...

Surely you jest? They had it coming??? That has to be one the most heartless, and brazenly inflammatory statements I have ever read on here, even if was in jest.

Many airlines, almost all Asian airlines, travel that route daily - or at least they did until now. It was not a restricted area, and the airspace was open and approved by the ICAO and other international aviation organizations.
 
Anything is possible in a war zone. Putin has been all over TV today claiming that Kiev is to blame. I have no idea how he can back that up, when Kiev has no troops or equipment anywhere near the location that that multiple sources are saying the missile was launched. To be totally truthful, we still don't know it was a BUK missile? It would appear so, since it's the only system that could reach 33,000 feet into the air. There's also the picture of a damaged missile near the wreckage, that appears to be BUK, but it's not possible for me to make that determination from the short clip that I've seen.

This isn't going to be resolved quickly, or even be determined as to what or who did this very quickly. Moscow either has or is getting the black box, and the scene has been contaminated by goodness knows how many people picking through it already.

We'll just have to have patience and wait and see what occurs in the next few days.

It's Putin. He doesn't need to be logical, just say whatever he wants people to believe. And there isn't "free press" in Moscow so it's not like anyone is going to call out the BS. It's the Korean Airlines all over again.
 
Anyone can now fake up voices and pictures at will. In my own view, only the Zionists actually gain by this crime, because it takes attention away from their mass-murders, but, fair play, I don't wa't to get paranoid, and I doubt they could have fixed it in that area. Political dishonesty has reached such a point, though, that it is difficult to believe anything said by any politician anywhere!
 
Although there is no proverbial "smoking gun," odds favor the separatists' being responsible.

First, there was a purported social media post, but that post was deleted and its authenticity was not verified (at least not yet).

Second, Ukraine has been using air power, while the separatists lack air power. Therefore, the separatists would be more likely to be firing at planes than Ukraine.

The Ukrainian government has made claims about an intercepted conversation, but both Ukraine and the separatists have engaged in frequent disinformation, so that matter will need to be independently verified.

At the same time, it is possible and perhaps more likely than not that the BUK missile system had been seized at some point from Ukrainian forces. Reuters reported:

On June 29, Russian newswire ITAR-TASS quoted separatists in Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, not far from where the plane went down, as saying they had seized control of a missile defense army unit equipped with the Buk system.

Malaysian airliner downing puts spotlight on Buk missile system | Reuters

Had a serious diplomatic effort been underway to resolve the internal conflict, perhaps the tragedy might not have occurred. Such an opportunity was missed when insufficient pressure was placed on the parties to enact a ceasefire. Russia bears a lot of responsibility, as it should have made efforts to seal its border with Ukraine and made clear to the rebels that it expected them to enact a ceasefire. The U.S. and EU should have urged Ukraine's government to be patient and try diplomacy before resorting to military operations. That didn't happen and the conflict intensified. Conflicts can and do often lead to unintended outcomes and other tragedies.

At the same time, international airlines should avoid conflict zones. Some had been avoiding eastern Ukraine, but others were not. The fact that a Ukrainian SU-27 fighter jet had been downed in recent days suggested that low-flying flights were not the only ones exposed to risk.

Hopefully, the party responsible (likely the rebels) will be held fully accountable for their actions.

You didn't just blame the US for this did you? Anyway, it would seem that a well trained missile launcher team would have known the difference between a commercial airliner and a military jet, but maybe 33,000 feet is too high to know.
 
Anyone can now fake up voices and pictures at will. In my own view, only the Zionists actually gain by this crime, because it takes attention away from their mass-murders, but, fair play, I don't wa't to get paranoid, and I doubt they could have fixed it in that area. Political dishonesty has reached such a point, though, that it is difficult to believe anything said by any politician anywhere!

Irony!!!!!!
 
Surely you jest? They had it coming??? That has to be one the most heartless, and brazenly inflammatory statements I have ever read on here, even if was in jest.

Many airlines, almost all Asian airlines, travel that route daily - or at least they did until now. It was not a restricted area, and the airspace was open and approved by the ICAO and other international aviation organizations.

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You didn't just blame the US for this did you? Anyway, it would seem that a well trained missile launcher team would have known the difference between a commercial airliner and a military jet, but maybe 33,000 feet is too high to know.

For the attack on the airline, the U.S. is not to blame whatsoever.

I do believe all the external parties (U.S., EU, and especially Russia) could have done more to pressure the sides into a diplomatic process following Ukraine's May 25 election. Had serious diplomatic efforts been underway, perhaps there would have been a ceasefire in place. With a ceasefire in place, the probability of such an attack would have been lower.

I hope this is clearer.
 
Duw, there's deep! Sort of American cess-pool, in which meaning has got drowned, hey? Go to a few classes in English, then get in touch! :)

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Ukraine is saying that they have all their BUK launchers accounted for, and that the separatists didn't capture any. If this is true, then there's only one place the BUK could have come from that the separatists used to shoot down this plane...

I see no problem in the Russians supplying the side that serves their interests in this, considering that's what the US does. If the Russian separatists, or the Russians themselves INTENTIONALLY shot down this plane, that would be hugely stupid, for it wouldn't advance there agenda at all. For me the logical explanation (other than mechanical failure) would be that Ukraine shot it down, wishing it to be blamed on the separatists, or the separatists shot it down, mistaking it for a military plane.
 
I see no problem in the Russians supplying the side that serves their interests in this, considering that's what the US does. If the Russian separatists, or the Russians themselves INTENTIONALLY shot down this plane, that would be hugely stupid, for it wouldn't advance there agenda at all. For me the logical explanation (other than mechanical failure) would be that Ukraine shot it down, wishing it to be blamed on the separatists, or the separatists shot it down, mistaking it for a military plane.
There's no sense in Ukraine's military purposefully shooting the plane down. Not even a question. Not with today's technological (i.e. video camera, satellite, cellphone, flight tracking) capabilities, and the tenderness of the situation in the region. Even if it were on accident, that just doesn't make sense. Ukraine doesn't have surface-to-air capabilities in the region ... the rebels have no airplanes, and the Ukrainian military is not attacking Russian planes.

What makes sense, and it the most obvious even without the evidence, is that it was a mistake made by the pro-Russian separatists. MH17 is the third plane shot down over Eastern Ukraine in the past week. The other two were a Ukrainian military transport and fighter jet. Duh. The separatists thought it was another Ukrainian military plane. Everything online backs it up. There's pictures and videos on Twitter/Youtube showing the BUK launcher being hauled into the region. There's the VK.com posts from Igor Girkin bragging about downing another plane. The Ukrainian defense department released the radio chatter of the separatists freaking out / discussing the crash. Now there's the video of the BUK launcher being hauled back out of the region.

We know who did it. Now it's just figuring out what the reaction and fall out will be ...
 
Now here's my question, why the **** would you go on a plain that you know is crossing through Ukraine?

I can't say they deserved it but they really did have it coming...

There are planes flying over Syria and they don't get shut down.
 
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