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Pictures show pro-Russian seperatists moving missles away from MH 17 crash site.

There's no sense in Ukraine's military purposefully shooting the plane down. Not even a question. Not with today's technological (i.e. video camera, satellite, cellphone, flight tracking) capabilities, and the tenderness of the situation in the region. Even if it were on accident, that just doesn't make sense. Ukraine doesn't have surface-to-air capabilities in the region ... the rebels have no airplanes, and the Ukrainian military is not attacking Russian planes.

What makes sense, and it the most obvious even without the evidence, is that it was a mistake made by the pro-Russian separatists. MH17 is the third plane shot down over Eastern Ukraine in the past week. The other two were a Ukrainian military transport and fighter jet. Duh. The separatists thought it was another Ukrainian military plane. Everything online backs it up. There's pictures and videos on Twitter/Youtube showing the BUK launcher being hauled into the region. There's the VK.com posts from Igor Girkin bragging about downing another plane. The Ukrainian defense department released the radio chatter of the separatists freaking out / discussing the crash. Now there's the video of the BUK launcher being hauled back out of the region.

We know who did it. Now it's just figuring out what the reaction and fall out will be ...

When the US accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner, there was little reaction or fallout, so IF the separatists shot this plane down, there should be the same response. I'm suggesting Ukraine has the motive and the means to have done this, that's all I'm saying, I'm not making the accusation.
 
Surely you jest? They had it coming??? That has to be one the most heartless, and brazenly inflammatory statements I have ever read on here, even if was in jest.

Many airlines, almost all Asian airlines, travel that route daily - or at least they did until now. It was not a restricted area, and the airspace was open and approved by the ICAO and other international aviation organizations.

"Open and approved by the ICAO and other International Aviation Organizations."

If I don't what the hell the ICAO is what makes you think these rebels will? Nor did any of that really matter because what happened?

A plane was shot down, no ifs, no buts, no safe airspace, it was shot down.

My logic of simply not flying over a warzone would have saved those lives.

EDIT

But to be fair I am going about it to abrasively, my apologies.
 
When the US accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner, there was little reaction or fallout, so IF the separatists shot this plane down, there should be the same response. I'm suggesting Ukraine has the motive and the means to have done this, that's all I'm saying, I'm not making the accusation.
There wasn't? ... I'm young. The Iranian 655 accident happened before I was. As far I know, that event and the US' refusal to apologize, or even acknowledge our wrongdoing colored Iranian-American relations for years.
 
Now here's my question, why the **** would you go on a plain that you know is crossing through Ukraine?

I can't say they deserved it but they really did have it coming...

There was a NOTAM in effect, stating planes should be above 32,000 feet, as this plane was. As well as dozens of other planes from many different airlines at the time. It is a standard air corridor that has been traveled by airliners for many years.
 
There was a NOTAM in effect, stating planes should be above 32,000 feet, as this plane was. As well as dozens of other planes from many different airlines at the time. It is a standard air corridor that has been traveled by airliners for many years.

The Ukrainian crisis wasn't on for many years, it essentially just started, so it doesn't mean **** that they have been going that route for many years.
 
Now here's my question, why the **** would you go on a plain that you know is crossing through Ukraine?

I can't say they deserved it but they really did have it coming...

Passenhers don't get a copy of the flight plan.
 
Pictures? Wow, that proves everything, eh?

They showed "pictures" of the "killing" of OBL at Abbottabad.

Pictures are useful, but can easily mislead those indiscriminate humans who are easily misled.
 
And I sure as hell know I am never going on one of those flights, one would think this is common sense.

Shooting down civilian aircraft is a war crime dude.

Nobody is expecting to get shot down in a commercial airline.
 
Surely the SA-11 has the ability to ID it's target. I find it hard to believe they didn't know they were shooting at a civilian aircraft.
 
There wasn't? ... I'm young. The Iranian 655 accident happened before I was. As far I know, that event and the US' refusal to apologize, or even acknowledge our wrongdoing colored Iranian-American relations for years.

Yes, but a war wasn't started over it, and I thought the US did apologise like in 1996 or something.
 
Shooting down civilian aircraft is a war crime dude.

Nobody is expecting to get shot down in a commercial airline.

That Russia and the US have gotten away with.
 
Surely the SA-11 has the ability to ID it's target. I find it hard to believe they didn't know they were shooting at a civilian aircraft.

All the more reason to expect a false flag event. I find it hard to believe that the Russian separatists would intentionally sabatage there own purpose.
 
Shooting down civilian aircraft is a war crime dude.

Nobody is expecting to get shot down in a commercial airline.

It is, and from what I've heard about the passengers on the plane I think the Dutch are going to review this incident very carefully.
 
All the more reason to expect a false flag event. I find it hard to believe that the Russian separatists would intentionally sabatage there own purpose.

I guess that's why the Russians were monitored talking about splashing flight 17.

Stop with the, "blame America", bull****.
 
It is, and from what I've heard about the passengers on the plane I think the Dutch are going to review this incident very carefully.

And after the review, then what?
 
All the more reason to expect a false flag event. I find it hard to believe that the Russian separatists would intentionally sabatage there own purpose.

Check the deleted tweet. They thought they shot down a Russian military aircraft.
 
I guess that's why the Russians were monitored talking about splashing flight 17.

Stop with the, "blame America", bull****.

I said the Ukrainians!
 
Check the deleted tweet. They thought they shot down a Russian military aircraft.

How? Anyway, I've stated repeatedly that if they shot down the plane that it was because they thought it was a military plane. That's not targeting civilians, and the US and others have done the same before.
 
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