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Soupnazi630 said:
Ah another new ager using a crystal ball to describe others.

I never watch fox little one and just because you are wrong about your views ( and you are ) does not mean those correcting you are fox news fans.

Your generalizations about US standing under Bush are exactly that: generalizations with little accuracy.

Even still it is irrelevant how the US was viewed under bush it is worse now and that is fact.
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Little one? LOL Does that make you feel bigger?

It's as obvious as a cockroach on a wedding cake Bush was mocked by the rest of the world and us right along with him for electing him. My European relatives couldn't believe someone that average could be elected not once but twice. His first election made us the laughing stock of the world.
 
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j-mac said:
The last time an airliner was shot down by Russia, we didn't give Russia chance after chance to come clean, and ask pretty please either....When we spoke we led from the front....Not this pansy ass way of talking today...
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Now you're simply fabricating things. Obama has been vocally negative in regards to the Russians from the get go. If you haven't noticed you haven't been paying attention.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Little one? LOL Does that make you feel bigger?

It's as obvious as a cockroach on a wedding cake Bush was mocked by the rest of the world and us right along with him for electing him. My European relatives couldn't believe someone that average could be elected not once but twice. His first election made us the laughing stock of the world.
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Bush looks like Jefferson, Revere, Hale, and Washington wrapped up into a single man compared to the bucket of puke sitting in the oval office right now.
 
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Tomorrow will be the first day of national mourning in the Netherlands since 1962 when our former Queen Wilhelmina died.

Two Dutch planes and one Australian military plane will depart at 10am Dutch time (GMT+1 I think) and fly to Eindhoven where the King, Queen and Prime minster Rutte will be present to welcome home the planes with the remains of the passengers of flight MH17. After they touch down there will be (I guess) the last post after which a minute silence will be held.

Then the remains will be offloaded from the planes, they will transported from Eindhoven to the Oudheusdenkazerne (military barracks) in Hilversum. The police will be a honor guard/guard for the motorcade/convoy which will be transporting the remains from Eindhoven to Hilversum. Probably the freeways of A2 and the A27 (two of the major traffic arteries in the central part of the Netherlands) will be closed to facilitate the fast transfer of the motorcade to it's destination.

There Dutch forensic experts will be identifying the remains so that they can be returned to their loved ones/countries.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Now you're simply fabricating things. Obama has been vocally negative in regards to the Russians from the get go. If you haven't noticed you haven't been paying attention.
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And in case you haven't noticed, Putin laughs his ass off every time Obama does so. Putin has Obama's balls in a jar.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Little one? LOL Does that make you feel bigger?

It's as obvious as a cockroach on a wedding cake Bush was mocked by the rest of the world and us right along with him for electing him. My European relatives couldn't believe someone that average could be elected not once but twice. His first election made us the laughing stock of the world.
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You are giving Bush the benefit of the doubt by calling him "average". Remember... stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Erod said:
I believe the separatists were behind this.

But after everything I've seen the past few years, I trust absolutely nothing that Obama and his administration says. Most clueless foreign policy president of all time, and domestically the most corrupt.
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Whatever you say.
 
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clownboy said:
And in case you haven't noticed, Putin laughs his ass off every time Obama does so. Putin has Obama's balls in a jar.
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LOL Putin's wealthy supporters are deserting him as we speak as their assets get frozen and their pilfering of the Russian treasury is in danger. Putin's balls are in a vice and he will back down.
 
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Erod said:
Bush looks like Jefferson, Revere, Hale, and Washington wrapped up into a single man compared to the bucket of puke sitting in the oval office right now.
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So why don't you tell us how you really feel? What is it that revolts you about him, his race, intelligence and education, or the fact that he makes the last president look like a retard?
 
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clownboy said:
And in case you haven't noticed, Putin laughs his ass off every time Obama does so. Putin has Obama's balls in a jar.
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Putin has been right on a lot lately its true.
 
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Peter King said:
Tomorrow will be the first day of national mourning in the Netherlands since 1962 when our former Queen Wilhelmina died.

Two Dutch planes and one Australian military plane will depart at 10am Dutch time (GMT+1 I think) and fly to Eindhoven where the King, Queen and Prime minster Rutte will be present to welcome home the planes with the remiains of the passengers of flight MH17. After they touch down there will be (I guess) the last post after which a minute silence will be held.

Then the remains will be offloaded from the planes, they will transported from Eindhoven to the Oudheusdenkazerne (military barracks) in Hilversum. The police will be a honor guard/guard for the motorcade/convoy which will be transporting the remains from Eindhoven to Hilversum. Probably the freeways of A2 and the A27 (two of the major traffic arteries in the central part of the Netherlands) will be closed to facilitate the fast transfer of the motorcade to it's destination.

There Dutch forensic experts will be identifying the remains so that they can be returned to their loved ones/countries.
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My sincere condolences. :-(
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Just because you think all of those networks are left leaning doesn't make it so. I'll definitely give you MSNBC which is as far left and ridiculous as FOX is right, but some of the others are more middle of the road. I always heard very balanced reporting from NPR.
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And if you think those are middle of the road.......good gosh. Unabashedly left-leaning.
 
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clownboy said:
And in case you haven't noticed, Putin laughs his ass off every time Obama does so. Putin has Obama's balls in a jar.
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If he's laughing he won't get the last laugh. The sanctions are crippling the Russian economy and stock market. Once Europe decides he can keep his oil and gas his economy will tank.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
So why don't you tell us how you really feel? What is it that revolts you about him, his race, intelligence and education, or the fact that he makes the last president look like a retard?
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The fact that I can't keep up with his litany of lies and scandals, his complete lack of respect for the Constitution, or his travel schedule to the greatest golf courses in America.

He so far in over his head, it's embarrassing. Bush had a far greater grasp on this world and that job than this carpet bagger. If that's intelligence and education to you, I'm sorry. Coffee-shop education isn't real, and that's all he has.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
If he's laughing he won't get the last laugh. The sanctions are crippling the Russian economy and stock market. Once Europe decides he can keep his oil and gas his economy will tank.
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A joke, right? Europe needs oil today, tomorrow and for the future. Only so many places it can come from. You don't seem to understand what refineries are all about. We don't just pump oil out of the ground and into our vehicles.
 
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j-mac said:
Oh please...:roll: I see by your response here that you know that Obama is weak so instead of talk honestly about it, you have to resort to childish retort that is largely useless....
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Heading off absurdity with absurdity. A technique of argumentation. Read up.
 
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Ben K. said:
Enterprising individuals do verify this stuff. There's usually a lag between the CT claim and somebody bothering to debunk.

https://gist.github.com/klaufir/d1e694c064322a7fbc15

Of course, it doesn't matter if it is debunked. Once the disinformation is out there people will still claim it as fact months down the line.
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Programs often have bugs that aren't noticed. Appears someone found one in YouTube.
 
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j-mac said:
Oh, I have an open mind, and I may not know something....Allow me to outline what I think went on from the reporting I have heard to date...

I think that rebel separatists with Russian assistance brought down a couple of Military transports before the MH17 flight, and then shot at that one thinking it was another military flight. When they realized their mistake, they clammed up, and went about trying to cover up their mistake by removing, or tampering with evidence. The Russian's that trained them, and possibly assisted them started in with the cover up knowing that our country as it is now with weak leadership wouldn't get to the bottom of anything.

What do you believe happened?
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I hold this, or a variation of it as most likely. I'm just not willing to commit to such an idea yet.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?

screw that.
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Oh Gosh. You of all people say so. You posted a video that said in its title "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" and when we watch the video, there is a second-hand report of a wishy-washy *claim* by one unnamed source that some CIA imagery showed some soldiers who "looked Ukrainian, but actually might also be Eastern Ukrainians in similar uniforms." How does that get to be translated into the affirmation "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" ????

I mean, after this blunder you committed, how do you have the guts to come here and righteously say "The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?"

Would you please be consistent and coherent and apply your own rules to your own behavior, for a change?

Shame on you. Wow. Just... wow!
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Oh Gosh. You of all people say so. You posted a video that said in its title "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" and when we watch the video, there is a second-hand report of a wishy-washy *claim* by one unnamed source that some CIA imagery showed some soldiers who "looked Ukrainian, but actually might also be Eastern Ukrainians in similar uniforms." How does that get to be translated into the affirmation "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" ????

I mean, after this blunder you committed, how do you have the guts to come here and righteously say "The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?"

Would you please be consistent and coherent and apply your own rules to your own behavior, for a change?

Shame on you. Wow. Just... wow!
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Wow, just wow!
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
If he's laughing he won't get the last laugh. The sanctions are crippling the Russian economy and stock market. Once Europe decides he can keep his oil and gas his economy will tank.
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Yep, I read yesterday a financial analysis saying that if Europe is truly committed to a trade and financial blockade war against Putin (like Obama is calling for), in spite of all the catastrophic predictions about Europe's dependence on Putin's natural gas, Europe will win this war hands down and rather fast, and Russia's economy will be thoroughly destroyed much before Europe feels any sizable effects, indicating that Putin would blink way sooner, or be ousted by outraged former allies (the Russian oligarchs).

I thought this evaluation was a bit optimistic... [and no, unfortunately I didn't keep the link - short of going back to it by my browsing history - and I browsed dozens and dozens of sites yesterday and don't feel like going through all the trouble to find the link right now]... but it is interesting to have a contrary opinion to all the fearmongers in Europe who think they can't touch Mr. Putin or else the natural gas pipes will shut down and Europe will crumble to pieces.

After all, Europe is a very diverse economy, while Putin is a mono-economy based almost exclusively (in every way that matters in macro-economic terms) on selling energy to European buyers.

Oh sure, Putin would try to sell elsewhere... but there isn't any infrastructure to send the goodies to other buyers in short notice.

The source predicted a hugely damaging collapse of the Russian economy with the domestic market rebelling against Putin, regardless of how far away Russian elections are scheduled (2018). The source said that the only thing stopping this from happening is the excessive timidity and fear of European leaders.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Oh Gosh. You of all people say so. You posted a video that said in its title "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" and when we watch the video, there is a second-hand report of a wishy-washy *claim* by one unnamed source that some CIA imagery showed some soldiers who "looked Ukrainian, but actually might also be Eastern Ukrainians in similar uniforms." How does that get to be translated into the affirmation "Ukrainian soldiers shot down MH17" ????

I mean, after this blunder you committed, how do you have the guts to come here and righteously say "The title lies. Why should any of us believe anything else in the article?"

Would you please be consistent and coherent and apply your own rules to your own behavior, for a change?

Shame on you. Wow. Just... wow!
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You have a point to an extent. However, I was offering additional information instead of a basis as a solid belief.
 
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