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No, I didn't follow the attached links and sublinks.
I see.
Now I understand why you are at a disadvantage.
No, I didn't follow the attached links and sublinks.
What's pathetic is seemingly all Obamabots can do these days is whine about how poor Obama is just not allowed to do as he wishes, and everything is so unfair to him....
Meanwhile he is ruining the standing of the US in the world daily...What a failure.
Thanks for the link - so there apparently were other planes in the general area when MH17 was shot down (though two planes hardly counts as 'tons' to me - but whatever).
Why could you not just post this link to start with (the question is rhetorical - your answer does not interest me). Next time, please just post the link and don't waste my time.
We are done here.
Good day.
Our standing has improved substantially since we got rid of Dumbya. Not sure what planet you live on.
I see.
Now I understand why you are at a disadvantage.
Digging? I am not digging anything...
Yes, and was roundly criticized for not saying something sooner, but I'd like to compare and contrast the difference in actual reactions and what will be done...On the one hand you have Reagan at the time painting with bold language, and no fear in calling Russia what it was for that act, "barbarians"....Also, he demanded that Russia come out with the truth, and pay reparations to the families of the flight, and to put a cherry on top, he used the incident at the time to further his agenda of Nuclear disarmament. Now, look at today. You have a President afraid to even call out the Russian's for being behind this at all....No comparison.
You call MediaMatters "balance"? Anything but....
Bottom line is that this incident, along with the myriad of others only serves to show what a weak President we have at the moment.
Our standing has improved substantially since we got rid of Dumbya. Not sure what planet you live on.
The link is on Youtube. My words were: "If you follow the link in YouTube." What did you think that meant?Again, what are you talking about? There are no links in your post. Care to come down from your high horse and point to me where are the links and sublinks you are talking about? I said, I'll be happy to explore, but I can't explore if you don't show me the links. Your post only contains an embedded YouTube video clip.
Here is some of what is being said about Kiev's "evidence":
ITAR-TASS: Russia - Kiev
Key Piece of Video
Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity | Zero Hedge
Their statements about the videos seem fairly credible given their specificity. It would be easy for anyone to check their allegations. Of course, that Kiev is fabricating evidence is not surprising given how often they have been caught putting out fake proof. Hilariously, or perhaps tragically, the U.S. government may be setting the stage for a global conflagration on the basis of "I saw it on the Internet so it must be true."
I could say the same thing about the Ukraine. They propagated lie after lie before and after the Crimea incident.Well, it's hard to uphold as unbiased, a report that comes from... Moscow.... and starts by referring to the pro-Russian separatists as "self-defense fighters".
The link is on Youtube. My words were: "If you follow the link in YouTube." What did you think that meant?
When I asked, I assumed you saw the link, but here it is:
What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine? | Consortiumnews
There are several links within links once you get there.
I have no clue what NOTAM is.
If the airline was following the rules as you say then whomever establishes said rules is at fault. Saving fuel/time at the risk of passengers lives should never be an option. I understand the potential risks that are tied to flying but to fly over a known war zone is simply idiotic. No matter what you say about rules the simple fact is had the airline not put those people in harms way they would be alive right now, or are you arguing otherwise?
A Notice to Airmen (NOTAM or NoTAM) is a notice filed with an aviation authority to alert aircraft pilots of potential hazards along a flight route or at a location that could affect the safety of the flight.[1] NOTAMs are unclassified notices or advisories distributed by means of telecommunication that contain information concerning the establishment, conditions or change in any aeronautical facility, service, procedure or hazard, the timely knowledge of which is essential to personnel and systems concerned with flight operations.[2] NOTAMs are created and transmitted by government agencies and airport operators under guidelines specified by Annex 15: Aeronautical Information Services of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (CICA). The term NOTAM came into common use rather than the more formal Notice to Airmen following the ratification of the CICA, which came into effect on 4 April 1947. Notices to Airmen were normally published in a regular publication by each country's air authorities (e.g., in Flight Magazine in the UK).[3] A number of developments and amendments to the CICA have resulted in the more automated system available today.
URRV V6158/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST
DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:
A100 MIMRA - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
B145 KANON - ASMIL,
G247 MIMRA - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
A87 TAMAK - SARNA,
A102 PENEG - NALEM,
A225 GUKOL - ODETA,
A712 TAMAK - SAMBEK NDB (SB),
B493 FASAD - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
B947 TAMAK - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
G118 LATRI - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
G534 MIMRA - TOROS,
G904 FASAD - SUTAG,
R114 BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA)-NALEM.
SFC - FL320.
No it is has not it has declined it is clearly you living in lala land
Obama did respond, appropriately so. I was speaking to a poster who thinks that Obama's being a wus, that we need a tough response, as in a military response. I disagree.
Did the US push for action against it self when it shot down an Airliner? Nah.
I could say the same thing about the Ukraine. They propagated lie after lie before and after the Crimea incident.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms
No, you said "have you followed the attached links and sublinks?" I clicked on your embedded clip, not on "watch on youtube." But OK, I'll explore your link, thanks for repeating it.
See post 650.
Ah, OK. I hadn't noticed, sorry. Minor point, though. Now I *have* read the link, and remain just as unimpressed. See post 691.
That's why I also mentioned the links withing links. There is so much more information that first link addresses and links.
There is one where the NY times recants information in one of their stories.
When I go to linked material people post that looks remotely legitimate, I follow most or all the embedded links. You will find I am one who complains when people give quotes without links, or links that link no sources.
Well, it's hard to uphold as unbiased, a report that comes from... Moscow.... and starts by referring to the pro-Russian separatists as "self-defense fighters".
Whether or not what they are technically saying about this tape may or may not be accurate... may be also completely made up, including the conspiracy theory element that the tape was made one day before the crash. That sounds awful, frankly, in its tone of "see, they shot the plane, and planed it all one day in advance."
Tell me, were the tweets that the rebels posted then deleted when they realized the plane was civilian, also fakes made in Kiev?
About the images that pretend to be Ukrainian Buk systems, one, they could be totally fabricated, two, rebels a couple of days earlier had boasted about having captured Ukrainian Buk systems, three, Ukraine did say they possess these systems which doesn't mean they were deployed or fired.
So, no, not very convincing, sorry.
Well, you agreed with the fact that MM stated about Reagan not responding....LOL
Now I have looked at all your secondary links. Mostly it all goes back to the same blog, by the same journalist who pretends to be independent. He is basically quoting himself. The one outside article he quotes I had already read elsewhere. And the NYT thing about Crimea is old, old, old news.
Again, unimpressed. Sorry. I wish I could tell you differently but after having now explored ALL your links, what I see is *one* journalist with a past (he seemed to have been important decades ago at the time of the Iran-Contras, this if we agree with his tooting his own horn) who keeps referencing his own blog, and who makes vague references to unnamed sources and clearly has a beef against the West and the official versions of things.
Let me guess... is he also a Libertarian?
Oh, so you think that MM were the ones I was speaking of? Ahem....NO. Legitimate reporting of the time was what I was speaking of...MM just use that as cover to garner their lies.
Are reports from D.C. or Kiev more reliable?