Has to be Bush's fault.
BS, all bad things have been their fault in this nation since the day they were born. And you know it. Dont be a con schill.Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough.
Obama may be forced to give a speech and the WH may even create a hashtag.
A mistake does not need a motive.
Soviet fighters shot down a US civilian flight to Japan by mistake during the 1980s.
BS, all bad things have been their fault in this nation since the day they were born. And you know it. Dont be a con schill.
Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough. I am wading through this to see the first poster to blame this on Obama.... I thought I would see it within a dozen posts, but not yet...
Really? What kind of consequences and enforced by whom? Obama isn't going to do anything substantive and neither is Merkel. The Europeans and Americans will make tv appearances and wag their fingers but that's going to be the extent of it.
Had to rush in to cover Obama's ass?
Nope... just the economy, Iraq and Afghanistan....
A plane full of Americas was brought up. I say we would do nothing had that been an airliner full of US citizens.
Actually I was making more during the Bush years then at any time of Obama.
Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough. I am wading through this to see the first poster to blame this on Obama.... I thought I would see it within a dozen posts, but not yet...
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063539756 said:Congratulations, you're the first to bring up Bush. It had to happen at some time.
...and you propose what?
I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.
Not true! You know, it gets tiring correcting people that post without doing their research. I was merely responding to someone that was looking for Bush blame in post #18.
I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.
sounds like grounds to carpet bomb the site where the missile came from
No, just enjoy finding asinine statements on DP.... you thinking his ass needs coverage on this one might be a candidate.
A fair and reasonable response to my post... thank you.
It, unfortunately, is not completely practical as what you propose is a form of brinkmanship (particularly the guarantee of a safe air corridor) that you might need to gauge the consequence of before you draw that line in the sand. In other words, you are one step short of military engagement, which in a nuclear world is a very dangerous place to be. Moreover, it would be one thing to go eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, but they are not in control of this situation... its the Ukrainian separatists at the other end of the conflict. Brinkmanship requires a rational opponent. We do not know if the Ukrainian separatists are rational.
It been reported (previously by the Russian Military) that this type of antiaircraft system takes about 2 years to learn how to use. I'd say these so called separatists are also known as "Spetsnaz"I think the blame for this one isn't too hard to place. The Separatists have been shooting down planes on a daily basis. Today, they posted that they'd shot down a Ukrainian cargo plane - and then deleted the post once they discovered an airliner had crashed.
As I stated earlier: this shootdown is a byproduct of Obama's impotency.