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This is just terrible.

27 Australian Families hearts are breaking right now along with all of the other victims families. My thoughts are with them all.

RIP.
 
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Ukraine's security services produced what they said were two intercepted telephone conversations that showed rebels were responsible. In the first call, the security services said, rebel commander Igor Bezler tells a Russian military intelligence officer that rebel forces shot down a plane. In the second, two rebel fighters — one of them at the crash scene — say the rocket attack was carried out by a unit of insurgents about 25 kilometers (15 miles) north of the site.

Ukraine: Pro-Russia rebels downed Malaysian plane :: WRAL.com
 
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Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen says he is "profoundly shocked and saddened" by the crash. "Much is unclear about the circumstances of the crash. However the instability in the region, caused by Russian-backed separatists, has created an increasingly dangerous situation," he said in a statement.

I wonder what to expect from this statement.

Sounds about right, the fellas in Kiev facilitated the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, ran the president out of the country and seized control and those responding to it are the ones responsible for the instability.
 
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This isn't our fight.

It will be, if we don't put a stop to it and the longer we wait, the worse it will be when we are finally forced to get our hands dirty. WW2 wasn't our fight, either, until we were forced into the fight and lost 400,000 Americans. You prepared to lose 400,000 thousand Americans?
 
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It will be, if we don't put a stop to it and the longer we wait, the worse it will be when we are finally forced to get our hands dirty. WW2 wasn't our fight, either, until we were forced into the fight and lost 400,000 Americans. You prepared to lose 400,000 thousand Americans?

No, of course not, wasn't willing to loose 4,500 in Iraq or 58,000 in Vietnam. This Ukraine problem only needs to become a world war if asshats insist. Better to go watch Tora Tora Tora and fantasise about war and stay away from it in real life.
 
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This isn't our fight.

It probably wasn't, but it is now.

Dutch authorities have said that at least six Britons, 154 Dutch and 27 Australians were on board the doomed plane, and it is feared that up to 23 Americans and four French passengers had been killed.

Malaysia Airlines MH17 'shot down' over Ukraine carrying 295 people | Mail Online

Death toll is now 298. There were three infants on board as well.
 
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And US intelligence has a real healthy record for accuracy.

The rebels shot down a cargo plane on Monday.

You have your money on the Ukraines?
 
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KIEV, Ukraine — As news broke of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 being downed in eastern Ukraine, the separatist’s shadowy commander with a pencil mustache issued a dark warning on social media.

Through his VK.com account, Russia’s version of Facebook, the self-proclaimed defense minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Igor Girkin — who goes by the nom de guerre Igor Strelkov — boasted about shooting down a plane.

"We did warn you — do not fly in our sky," he wrote.

Thinking it was a Ukrainian transport plane, Strelkov added that “a plane has just been downed somewhere around Torez, it lays there behind the 'Progress' mine,” referring to the mining town of some 80,000 people.

“And here is the video proving another 'bird' falling down,” he continued. “The bird went down behind a slagheap, not in a residential district. So no peaceful people were injured,” Strelkov wrote, adding that there is also information about a Ukrainian military plane shot down.

However, Strelkov deleted the post when he found out it was actually a commercial jetliner carrying 295 innocent people — not a military aircraft.

Pro-Russian Rebel Commander: 'We Did Warn You
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063539127 said:
Do you have a reference to the above information?
Got it from the BBC News Europe live text updates.
The site is no longer showing this fragment since they only show the most recent updates.
 
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"Sort of?"

The entire reason why we have a country is so that we can be safe. Sort of like being a made man in an organized crime syndicate.

This information about 23 Americans turns out to be premature and likely mistaken.
The State Department is reporting no American casualties are confirmed, so far.

From the BBC News Europe live text updates:

00:55:
Malaysia Airlines has listed the nationalities on board: 154 Dutch, 43 Malaysians, 27 Australians, 12 Indonesians, 9 Britons, 4 Germans, 4 Belgians, 3 Filipinos, 1 Canadian, and 41 people of unverified nationalities.


01:02:
Asked how many US passengers were on board, a US State Department official says: "At this point we do not have any confirmed information about casualties."

Link here but the feed doesn't stay on for too long.

BBC News - LIVE: Malaysian plane crash in Ukraine
 
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anyone seen the photos of some of the debris, bodies etc? Pretty horrific,
 
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This is like a scene out of Modern Warfare on PS3. Some third party makes some terrorist actions that draw the USA and the USSR into WWIII.
 
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This Malaysian Airlines is a joke. How do you *don't* know the nationality of 41 of your passengers???
How do you don't know how many people are on board? They first reported 295, now 298.
When I buy an international air ticket in the United States I have to enter my passport number and nationality.
 
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anyone seen the photos of some of the debris, bodies etc? Pretty horrific,

When I worked for the airlines, we had a big volunteer team that could be called if there ever was a crash (there never was, thankfully). They got extensive training on all aspects of what to do in case of a crash, manning the areas for families, security, etc and crash scene work. I had some friends in the team, they had to watch some truly gruesome crash scene footage as part of the training, all sorts of imaginable horrors, that alone weeded out many volunteers. The amount of body parts in something like this is horrific, I remember reading some accounts from the PSA 727 that crashed in San Diego into a neighborhood after a mid air collision with a Cessna. Unimaginable.
 
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It is a normal flight route, lots of planes over that area every day.

Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!

See for yourself, go to flightradar24.com and look at traffic over that area.

Actually it's not a normal route. Normal route takes them over the Black Sea. They were "avoiding" weather which put them in that area.
 
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This could be huge especially if the people on board are Americans and Europeans...

sounds like grounds to carpet bomb the site where the missile came from
 
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This could be huge especially if the people on board are Americans and Europeans...

Ukraine has BUK system as well.
 
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I think the blame for this one isn't too hard to place. The Separatists have been shooting down planes on a daily basis. Today, they posted that they'd shot down a Ukrainian cargo plane - and then deleted the post once they discovered an airliner had crashed.
 
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A mistake does not need a motive.

Soviet fighters shot down a US civilian flight to Japan by mistake during the 1980s.

Korean Airlines was off course and wasn't responding.

US shot down an Iranian airliner in the 1980s. NATO aircraft shot down an Aerolinee Itavia plane in 1981. Even Ukraine shot down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 in 2001.
 
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anyone seen the photos of some of the debris, bodies etc? Pretty horrific,

Some States in Australia have children on school holidays. Authorities are encouraging people here to switch off their TV's and keep kids away from Computers and Social Media sites as much as possible because there are some very distressing images floating around. Not something that kids need to be exposed to 24/7.

It's obviously a very big news story here.
 
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