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Erod said:
This smells accidental, but from an invading surface-to-air missile tank of the Russians. That makes it semi-accidental because the damn thing shouldn't be there in the first place.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the firing procedure for a military SAM is prone to accidents. I guess it could be considered and accident insofar as they mislabeled the target, but it's a friggin' Boeing 777. That isn't an accident, that is gross negligence.
 
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Montecresto said:
Likewise, while it serves as no exoneration at this point, neither Russia nor the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain by this. However, the Ukraine has plenty to gain if it could be blamed on either of them.
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Nah, the inverse would be true as well if you're going the false flag route.
 
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Montecresto said:
Amazes me how quickly some think we should jump to war, and criticise the president while the story is all of a couple hours old, and nobody has got a clue yet of what happened.
Imagine if such hot heads were at the controls.
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Thank God that they aren't.

Anyone can be a Monday morning quarterback It's always easy to second-guess someone's decisions, but getting out there on the field and winning a game isn't as easy as it looks to some people.
 
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What's another tragedy! When seeing that on the news, I almost thought that was the previous jet that was crashed three months ago.
 
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Some folks want the Russians to take the lead on the world stage and I must say, they're doing such a great job, I can't wait!
 
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jmotivator said:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the firing procedure for a military SAM is prone to accidents. I guess it could be considered and accident insofar as they mislabeled the target, but
it's a friggin' Boeing 777.
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 That isn't an accident, that is gross negligence.
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With Malaysian Airline markings.
 
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Ben K. said:
Nah, the inverse would be true as well if you're going the false flag route.
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Well I wasn't taking any routes, just pointing to logic. So tell me how the reverse works.
 
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shrubnose said:
The deaths aren't being ignored, but nothing will be done about this.
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Honest question here: What can/should we do?
 
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apdst said:
Some folks want the Russians to take the lead on the world stage and I must say, they're doing such a great job, I can't wait!
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What's this mean?
 
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nota bene said:
Honest question here: What can/should we do?
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Before its known who and what 'exactly' brought this plane down?
 
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Lutherf said:
I doubt that the Russians shot it down. I suspect it was Russian equipment used by the separatists and that somebody thought they had another cargo plane in their sights. To that extent I believe that we will find that the downing was accidental only to the extent that it wasn't realized to be a commercial airliner until too late.

That being said, this whole fiasco needs to be laid at the feet of Putin and the Russians. It is Putin who is supporting this separatist movement both ideologically and militarily. If he had come out and decried the militant actions of the separatists and insisted that while diplomatic dissent would be supported militant actions would not we may well be looking at a different situation today.
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Just reported: the Pentagon is saying the seperatists don't have the SAM system that downed this aircraft.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well I wasn't taking any routes, just pointing to logic. So tell me how the reverse works.
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The Russians benefit if people think Ukraine shot it down.
 
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If the Russian separatists did shoot down that plane they just screwed themselves big time- the whole world (except Russia of course) is gonna go after them. They can say sayonara to their dreams of a reunited Russian homeland.
 
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nota bene said:
Honest question here:
What can/should we do?
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Right now I don't see where there's anything that can be done to help the people who died on that plane.

I guess we could send some flowers.
 
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nota bene said:
Honest question here: What can/should we do?
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We should have already done something. This is a byproduct of the past 6 months of impotence.
 
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Ben K. said:
The Russians benefit if people think Ukraine shot it down.
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Nobody that matters to the West will believe that a Western recognised and democratic government (and I say that very tongue in cheek) would shoot down a civilian airliner. So no, the reverse doesn't work.
 
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PoS said:
If the Russian separatists did shoot down that plane they just screwed themselves big time- the whole world (except Russia of course) is gonna go after them. They can say sayonara to their dreams of a reunited Russian homeland.
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Which is precisely why the Ukraine wins if it can be blamed on them.
 
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Adding to the 23 Americans and 25-30 Dutch citizens, 4 French victims have been confirmed.

This is the start of the European summer holiday season, unfortunatly this will mean alot of families will be amongst the European victims.
 
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apdst said:
We should have already done something. This is a byproduct of the past 6 months of impotence.
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So send in troops? Is that your answer for everything?
 
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beefheart said:
The russian news site is really showing some graphic pictures, I'm sure they are blaming the Ukranians.

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Tail is intact, tail area and vert stab intact too.
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Not necessarily (to the blame theory), most of the rest of the world normally show "unsanitized" news. Maybe if the US saw full results of bad actions we would think more about questionable actions.
 
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What the airspace looks like now....no one over Ukraine or Syria.

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apdst said:
We should have already done something. This is a byproduct of the past 6 months of impotence.
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How about 6 years of impotence.
How is the "reset" going?
 
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