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Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

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The German said:
French journalist in the region just tweeted a picture of a the surfice to air missle tank in question under pro-Russian control:

https://twitter.com/michelhenrion/status/489823022090838017/photo/1

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Just by this photo, how does one confirm who is in control of it?
 
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The German said:
No it isnt.

If the Russians shot that plane down there will certainly be consequences.
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I doubt that the Russians shot it down. I suspect it was Russian equipment used by the separatists and that somebody thought they had another cargo plane in their sights. To that extent I believe that we will find that the downing was accidental only to the extent that it wasn't realized to be a commercial airliner until too late.

That being said, this whole fiasco needs to be laid at the feet of Putin and the Russians. It is Putin who is supporting this separatist movement both ideologically and militarily. If he had come out and decried the militant actions of the separatists and insisted that while diplomatic dissent would be supported militant actions would not we may well be looking at a different situation today.
 
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shrubnose said:
So tell us what would be done.
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I imagine there would be quite profound political implications with bigger sanctions and "world condemnation" of the pro-Russia rebels could follow if it turns out they have shot down the plane. Putin will be boxed in a cornor and unable to come out.
 
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Reuters reports 23 US citizens on board.


Edit: Apparently all dead
 
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Montecresto said:
Just by this photo, how does one confirm who is in control of it?
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You would have to trust the French journalist on that.

If you dont, not my problem.
 
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Higgins86 said:
I imagine there would be quite profound political implications with bigger sanctions and "world condemnation" of the pro-Russia rebels could follow if it turns out they have shot down the plane.
The deaths of so many innocent westerners seldom gets ignored.
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The deaths aren't being ignored, but nothing will be done about this.
 
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The German said:
Reuters reports 23 US citizens on board.


Edit: Apparently all dead
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regardless of what people on here are syaing that is big big news.
 
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Reuters reports that Russian aid workers are crossing the border, apparently without permission by the Ukrainian government.




Wonder if those are really aid workers.
 
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shrubnose said:
I don't believe that the USA would launch WWIII over something like this.
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Amazes me how quickly some think we should jump to war, and criticise the president while the story is all of a couple hours old, and nobody has got a clue yet of what happened. Imagine if such hot heads were at the controls.
 
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Wow, Malaysian airlines sure has gotten itself into a run of serious bad luck lately.
 
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Higgins86 said:
regardless of what people on here are syaing that is big big news.
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Yes, it is. And it would be big big news if all aboard were Malaysian. Such lose of life is always infuriating when we see the innocents caught between the belligerents guns.
 
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Montecresto said:
Amazes me how quickly some think we should jump to war, and criticise the president while the story is all of a couple hours old, and nobody has got a clue yet of what happened. Imagine if such hot heads were at the controls.
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I dont think the US would go to war over something like this but to presume they would ignore the death of Americans citizens without a reaction is a little naive. I could also say the same about the UK, France etc
 
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kitcher said:
Thanks for all the pictures beefyheart. Amazing they're rolling out so quickly. That body picture is disturbing.

I suppose everyone is right that this could have been an accident. But considering the recent fighter jet tango, and that AP news sited anti-air missile launchers recently at the UK-RU border, I'm betting this is the Ruskis. But time will tell.
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I have a good source for airline things, a forum made up of airline employees and enthusiasts all over the world. You have to pay to post, so the crazies don't go there..
 
This is awful. Those responsible need to be held accountable.
 
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Lutherf said:
I doubt that the Russians shot it down. I suspect it was Russian equipment used by the separatists and that somebody thought they had another cargo plane in their sights. To that extent I believe that we will find that the downing was accidental only to the extent that it wasn't realized to be a commercial airliner until too late.

That being said, this whole fiasco needs to be laid at the feet of Putin and the Russians. It is Putin who is supporting this separatist movement both ideologically and militarily. If he had come out and decried the militant actions of the separatists and insisted that while diplomatic dissent would be supported militant actions would not we may well be looking at a different situation today.
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I think we've got our answer.
 
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Higgins86 said:
I dont think the US would go to war over something like this but to presume they would ignore the death of Americans citizens without a reaction is a little naive. I could also say the same about the UK, France etc
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What?!? Hold on.......did I say that the US should have no response to such a tragedy. Why call me naive?
 
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Montecresto said:
What?!? Hold on.......did I say that the US should have no response to such a tragedy. Why call me naive?
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I wasn't calling you Naive. I was referring to previous comments.
 
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beefheart said:
Igor Strelkov, Russian rebel leader in East-Ukraine, confirmed they shot down what they thought was a Ukrainian military plane #KL4103 #MH17

https://twitter.com/mtrimpe/statuses/489805514826862593
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beefheart said:
Reportedly the deleted tweet from the separatists

http://oi58.tinypic.com/29gmnah.jpg
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And (even though it's been posted already) the post about them downing another "cargo plane."

http://std3.ru/ef/41/1405610146-ef41d7464b30da37118c8bf6c86d11e6.png

We just shot down An-26 (note:ukrainian transport plane used by military) near the city of Torez, the debris is lying somewhere close to the coal-mine "Progress. " We have warned before not to fly in "our sky." And here is the video confirmation that "the rain of dead birds" continues. The plane fell behind a spoil tip, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured.

Also there is an information about another plane that was shot down, it is probably Su"
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Higgins86 said:
I imagine there would be quite profound political implications with
bigger sanctions and "world condemnation"
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 of the pro-Russia rebels could follow if it turns out they have shot down the plane. Putin will be boxed in a cornor and unable to come out.
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Who is really hurt by sanctions and condemnation?

What do they accomplish?
 
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shrubnose said:
Who is really hurt by sanctions and condemnation?

What do they accomplish?
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I think we are about to see a massive increase in aid to Ukraine both econimically and in military. Could tip the scales in the region and help Ukraine get rid of the rebels, with massive world condemnation it will be hard for Russia to be seen openly supporting these rebels.
 
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shrubnose said:
Who is really hurt by sanctions and condemnation?

What do they accomplish?
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Likewise, while it serves as no exoneration at this point, neither Russia nor the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain by this. However, the Ukraine has plenty to gain if it could be blamed on either of them.
 
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