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Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine
Ukrainian rebels (Ukrainian separatists) = Ex Russian military & Ex Russian Intelligence? Yeah, So I think so. Even if not, very suspicious that level of expertise with what has been described as a complex system to operate.
Ukrainian rebels (Ukrainian separatists) = Ex Russian military & Ex Russian Intelligence? Yeah, So I think so. Even if not, very suspicious that level of expertise with what has been described as a complex system to operate.
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Yeah, it was illogical to draw a red line he never intended to enforce and then another he never intended to enforce, then another...
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No it was a horrible mistake. A mistake that the Russians have full responsibility for. They supplied the missile and launcher and they supplied the training so those East Ukraine dumbasses could use it too. Who else would there be to blame?
No it was a horrible mistake. A mistake that the Russians have full responsibility for. They supplied the missile and launcher and they supplied the training so those East Ukraine dumbasses could use it too. Who else would there be to blame?
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Why does everything have to be the Americas fault? Is it so hard to believe that people might not want to be just a proxy state for Russia?
You do realize that the rebels already took credit for the attack, just thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. Why does some people think Russia is the good guy in all this?
Why does everything have to be the Americas fault? Is it so hard to believe that people might not want to be just a proxy state for Russia?
You do realize that the rebels already took credit for the attack, just thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. Why does some people think Russia is the good guy in all this?
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Oh trust me, people will find someone else to blame...
Oh trust me, people will find someone else to blame...
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The Syrians have given up their chemical weapons so there goes that nonsense.
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The school that trains these missilemen is 26 weeks long. The tebels didn't hop in the control center and start pushing buttons and splashing birds.
The school that trains these missilemen is 26 weeks long. The tebels didn't hop in the control center and start pushing buttons and splashing birds.
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Why do I think there is a fair chance that the US is involved or complicit? Why do I think there is a fair chance that Israel is involved or complicit?
Well, because both those government's have a pretty good track record at deception and false flag operations that involve killing humans, that's why.
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Why do I think there is a fair chance that the US is involved or complicit? Why do I think there is a fair chance that Israel is involved or complicit?
Well, because both those government's have a pretty good track record at deception and false flag operations that involve killing humans, that's why.
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Not exclusively, there was other western support and encouragement for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. All Though you would never admit it, had the Ukrainian government decided in the end (last October) to go with the EU and had told Moscow thanks but no thanks, and had Moscow facilitated the overthrow of that government, installing people that they then recognised as the legitimate government, YOU, along with every other patronising American, the UK and the EU all would be near hysterical right now!!
Not exclusively, there was other western support and encouragement for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. All Though you would never admit it, had the Ukrainian government decided in the end (last October) to go with the EU and had told Moscow thanks but no thanks, and had Moscow facilitated the overthrow of that government, installing people that they then recognised as the legitimate government, YOU, along with every other patronising American, the UK and the EU all would be near hysterical right now!!
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You'll be happy to know I've already created that thread to indulge your conspiracy theory FF fetish. Have fun.
A Coincidence
Why do I think there is a fair chance that the US is involved or complicit? Why do I think there is a fair chance that Israel is involved or complicit?
Well, because both those government's have a pretty good track record at deception and false flag operations that involve killing humans, that's why.
You'll be happy to know I've already created that thread to indulge your conspiracy theory FF fetish. Have fun.
A Coincidence
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You saying the Ukrainians wanted to be a proxy for Russia then? And didn't want to be more connected with the West? Because if so, I'd love to see your sources on that one.
You saying the Ukrainians wanted to be a proxy for Russia then? And didn't want to be more connected with the West? Because if so, I'd love to see your sources on that one.
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Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine
Final numbers:
192 passengers were from the Netherlands
44 passengers were from Malaysia
27 passengers were from Australia
12 passengers were from Indonesia
9 passengers were from the United Kingdom
4 passengers were from Germany
4 passengers were from Belgium
3 passengers were from the Philippines
1 passenger was from Canada
1 passenger was from New Zealand
1 passenger was from the United States of America
Final numbers:
192 passengers were from the Netherlands
44 passengers were from Malaysia
27 passengers were from Australia
12 passengers were from Indonesia
9 passengers were from the United Kingdom
4 passengers were from Germany
4 passengers were from Belgium
3 passengers were from the Philippines
1 passenger was from Canada
1 passenger was from New Zealand
1 passenger was from the United States of America
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I'm so grateful. But it's way to early to tell IMO.
I'm so grateful. But it's way to early to tell IMO.
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Ok, but not Russian uniformed military proper from Russian soil, right? At any rate, the separatists may well have done it, but if so, it was a case of mistaken identity. Every other aircraft they brought down was military. Furthermore, intentionally targeting is hugely injurious to their cause, would bring global condemnation and diminish Moscow's ability to continue to support them. Can you not imagine Russia's words to these separatists, if they found out that a civilian plane was intentionally targeted. I'm sure that even if the Russian government was satisfied that they mistaking lay shot it down that they would still be raising hell with them for their failure to properly identify it, and creating a big mess.
Ok, but not Russian uniformed military proper from Russian soil, right? At any rate, the separatists may well have done it, but if so, it was a case of mistaken identity. Every other aircraft they brought down was military. Furthermore, intentionally targeting is hugely injurious to their cause, would bring global condemnation and diminish Moscow's ability to continue to support them. Can you not imagine Russia's words to these separatists, if they found out that a civilian plane was intentionally targeted. I'm sure that even if the Russian government was satisfied that they mistaking lay shot it down that they would still be raising hell with them for their failure to properly identify it, and creating a big mess.
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In this case it was US/UK/EU, as I pointed out earlier.
In this case it was US/UK/EU, as I pointed out earlier.
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One of the dead is Joep Lange. Mr. Lange was a medical researcher who was the founder of the "PharmAccess Foundation", a not-for-profit organisation based in Amsterdam which aims to improve access to HIV/AIDS therapy in developing countries, and he served as chairman until his death.
He also used to serve as president of the International Aids Society. He was a professor of Medicine at the University of Amsterdam.
Joep Lange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One of the dead is Joep Lange. Mr. Lange was a medical researcher who was the founder of the "PharmAccess Foundation", a not-for-profit organisation based in Amsterdam which aims to improve access to HIV/AIDS therapy in developing countries, and he served as chairman until his death.
He also used to serve as president of the International Aids Society. He was a professor of Medicine at the University of Amsterdam.
Joep Lange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Ukraine issue didn't just begin last October. There was essentially a tug of war over Ukraine and between the West and Moscow. Negotiations, proposals and offers on both sides for several years. In the end the government of Ukraine decided they would get a better deal with Moscow. That's when the **** hit the fan. A slighted and disgruntled West provoked and facilitated a coup to topple the Ukrainian government, installing a pro Western government, and Russia called bull****, leading to their annexation of Crimea to secure their assts and people's there as well as their support of the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.
The Ukraine issue didn't just begin last October. There was essentially a tug of war over Ukraine and between the West and Moscow. Negotiations, proposals and offers on both sides for several years. In the end the government of Ukraine decided they would get a better deal with Moscow. That's when the **** hit the fan. A slighted and disgruntled West provoked and facilitated a coup to topple the Ukrainian government, installing a pro Western government, and Russia called bull****, leading to their annexation of Crimea to secure their assts and people's there as well as their support of the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.
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True.
Also true. Intentional or not, this event definitely weakens both Russia and the Ukrainian separatists effort and international support, such as it exists, for their position and objectives.
On the other hand, it surprises me to learn that airlines typically route their aircraft through territories where there has been anti-aircraft weapons fire.
It may be that previously, combatants have restrained themselves from firing on unarmed non-military aircraft, but then, seems that the human race has collectively thrown off such and similar restraints on many other unconscionable actions as of late. (*sigh*) Prolly doomed to exterminate ourselves.
True.
Also true. Intentional or not, this event definitely weakens both Russia and the Ukrainian separatists effort and international support, such as it exists, for their position and objectives.
On the other hand, it surprises me to learn that airlines typically route their aircraft through territories where there has been anti-aircraft weapons fire.
It may be that previously, combatants have restrained themselves from firing on unarmed non-military aircraft, but then, seems that the human race has collectively thrown off such and similar restraints on many other unconscionable actions as of late. (*sigh*) Prolly doomed to exterminate ourselves.
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Dutch people are known to be cheapskates, and 23 year old Andrie Ochtman from Voorburg is one of those cheapskates.
While checking in for flight MH17, he was offered to change his ticket from the Malaysian airlines ticket from 12 noon to the later evening flight from KLM to Malaysia. He was offered 600 euro's if he would be willing to give up his seat and fly later. He stood between all the passengers who later would board flight MH17 to their death. After speaking to his family he decided to take the airline up on their offer and it saved his life.
While checking in for flight MH17, he was offered to change his ticket from the Malaysian airlines ticket from 12 noon to the later evening flight from KLM to Malaysia. He was offered 600 euro's if he would be willing to give up his seat and fly later. He stood between all the passengers who later would board flight MH17 to their death. After speaking to his family he decided to take the airline up on their offer and it saved his life.
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Still don't see any sources to that BS. Look, what happened in Ukraine is the same thing that has been happening across Eastern Europe for the past two decades; people are sick and tired of Russia getting involved in their ****. They rose up in force and protested and were met with violence. So the people fought back and ousted the Russia-backed government who wouldn't listen to the demands of the people, and it's as simple as that. Now what you have in Eastern Ukraine is a rebelling that is being supplied and fomented by the Russians to again advance their imperial ambitions. I will say though that in the case of Crimea, it was a bit of sticky issue considering the Russians had a naval base there (despite the fact that the Russians stated that they wouldn't take lands from Ukraine after they left.)
Still don't see any sources to that BS. Look, what happened in Ukraine is the same thing that has been happening across Eastern Europe for the past two decades; people are sick and tired of Russia getting involved in their ****. They rose up in force and protested and were met with violence. So the people fought back and ousted the Russia-backed government who wouldn't listen to the demands of the people, and it's as simple as that. Now what you have in Eastern Ukraine is a rebelling that is being supplied and fomented by the Russians to again advance their imperial ambitions. I will say though that in the case of Crimea, it was a bit of sticky issue considering the Russians had a naval base there (despite the fact that the Russians stated that they wouldn't take lands from Ukraine after they left.)
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So you only support self determination when you first look to see if your own government likes it too! A little selective there. Call it BS as you wish, in this particular case, I see it Moscow's way.
So you only support self determination when you first look to see if your own government likes it too! A little selective there. Call it BS as you wish, in this particular case, I see it Moscow's way.
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Another patronising American. :doh
Behind the U.S.-backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine are the economic interests of giant corporations – from Cargill to Chevron – which see the country as a potential “gold mine” of profits from agricultural and energy exploitation, reports JP Sottile.
Exposing the U.S. Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Coup | Alternet
http://open.salon.com/blog/hannu_virtanen/2014/03/03/ukraine_an_american_arranged_coup_again_sic
Another patronising American. :doh
Behind the U.S.-backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine are the economic interests of giant corporations – from Cargill to Chevron – which see the country as a potential “gold mine” of profits from agricultural and energy exploitation, reports JP Sottile.
Exposing the U.S. Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Coup | Alternet
http://open.salon.com/blog/hannu_virtanen/2014/03/03/ukraine_an_american_arranged_coup_again_sic