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Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

Sorry but I can't trust a regime that can't back up files, blames a YouTube video and tells everyone they can keep their dr when some can't. Finding this man guilty would have damned our dictator and they won't let that happen. Trust is earned and this regime has NONE.


The answer is simple. Do YOU support the 5th and 14th Amendment Rights of Due Process? IF you do, and I have my doubts that you do, then Bergdahl is innocent until proven guilty.
 
Why? The evidence shows that he deserted his post.

You haven't seen any evidence yet. Fellow soldiers have made claims. But don't forget, Bergdahl was critical of the US mission and FP generally in the region, look at the way current and ex-soldiers treat you here on this board for such criticism!
 
Sorry but I can't trust a regime that can't back up files, blames a YouTube video and tells everyone they can keep their dr when some can't. Finding this man guilty would have damned our dictator and they won't let that happen. Trust is earned and this regime has NONE.

One things certain, things in America are deteriorating. There was a sizeable crowd who felt the same way about dictator and regime during the Bush administration as well. Though I don't recall too much of that from prior administrations to that.
 
Obama believes he's above the law.

Do recall that about forty years ago, or so, there was a republican president that told us that "if the president does it, its not illegal", which pretty much means a president can do whatever he wants, which reminds me of Bush-2. Obama too appears to think he's above the law at times. If partisans on the left would hold him accountable, as partisans on the right SHOULD have held their presidents accountable, perhaps we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess. Can you and I and everybody else hold all our presidents accountable and **** all this party crap? No, prolly not. So look for some more of the same ****, only worse next time!
 
You haven't seen any evidence yet. Fellow soldiers have made claims. But don't forget, Bergdahl was critical of the US mission and FP generally in the region, look at the way current and ex-soldiers treat you here on this board for such criticism!

His squad leader claims he deserted his post. That, by itself, is evidence enough to warrant an investigation. That testimony is enough for a conviction.
 
Do recall that about forty years ago, or so, there was a republican president that told us that "if the president does it, its not illegal", which pretty much means a president can do whatever he wants, which reminds me of Bush-2. Obama too appears to think he's above the law at times. If partisans on the left would hold him accountable, as partisans on the right SHOULD have held their presidents accountable, perhaps we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess. Can you and I and everybody else hold all our presidents accountable and **** all this party crap? No, prolly not. So look for some more of the same ****, only worse next time!

You people are so desperate to cover for Obama that you're going to quote Nixon? :lamo
 
His squad leader claims he deserted his post. That, by itself, is evidence enough to warrant an investigation. That testimony is enough for a conviction.

I haven't suggested that there shouldn't be an investigation.
 
You people are so desperate to cover for Obama that you're going to quote Nixon? :lamo

What a ****ing wasted post on your ass, didn't even read it all. Right there in the middle is acknowledgement that Obama thinks himself above the law. Unlike you hypocrites, I want ALL criminals held accountable, not just the democratic ones.
 
So it turns out that investigators did not press AWOL charges against him, and from previous stories that he frequently left the base to take hikes, and then came back each time, it turns out that the accusations against him from many pundits here were unfounded. So why the firestorm over the trade to get him back? We don't leave our own in the hands of the enemy, whether or not they were AWOL, but it seems that some here were very willing to do that, whether or not Bergdahl had been AWOL or not. What the hell is happening to us if we are willing to throw our soldiers into the garbage over allegations, even before an investigation shows the evidence was not enough to put Bergdahl on trial? So we traded 5 Taliban members for Bergdahl - I call that a good trade. Bergdahl is one of ours, and we don't leave ours behind to rot on the battlefield, or in the prisons of the enemy. That is the American way.

Article is here.

I do not know where you got this hiking thing, not from the article as it stated: “The Pentagon also said the Army was still investigating the circumstances surrounding Bergdahl's 2009 disappearance from his post in Afghanistan and subsequent capture by Taliban militants.”

Now whether Bergdahl was a deserter, went AWOL or just decided to take a hike is unknown to us unless you have some inside information. But the outcry is not the release of Bergdahl, it is over whom we gave up to get him. The equivalent of 5 enemy hard core generals for one PFC. Having attended two American Legion meetings and one of the VFW, I can tell you the retired community is against the swap. One does not release 5 hard core anyone’s who can come back and bite you very hard. As in killing more Americans, harming more Americans and open up the kidnapping of more Americans to get more prisoners released.

Giving up these 5 is way overboard. Prisoner exchanges usually involve like rank, enlisted for enlisted, officers for officers and spies for spies. They usually involve a fairly even amount of prisoners exchanged. In this case 5 for 1 would fall into the latter category taking into consideration who we are dealing with. But not the first. I and those I talked to at the meetings wouldn’t have minded even a 20 Taliban fighters for one of our guys, notice the word fighter or you can substitute soldier. Enlisted soldier or their equivalent which would be fighter. Not the commanders and leaders, not the planners and head commo guy. What you do not do is put much more people, Americans, Allies, Afghan civilians in danger or increase their risks to obtain the release of a lone or even multiple POW’s.

A soldier’s responsibility is to protect and defend his country and his fellow soldiers while ensuring the safety of the civilians in his area of responsibility. Releasing these 5 flies into the face of what a soldier is responsible for. I would not have done it and if I was held captive, I would not want to be exchanged for those five.
 
christ, they just shaved the guy's beard off and already he's going to active duty? The "experts" said it would take months for him to get back to a normal life. Why don't they do what the police do and put the guy on leave with pay until the investigation is concluded?
 
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christ, they shaved the guy's beard off and already he's going to active duty? The "experts" said it would take months for him to get back to a normal life. Why don't they do what the police do and put the guy on leave with pay until the investigation is concluded?

:agree: I was particularly interested in reading about the "desk" job that he's going to have! Homeland Security seems like a fairly sensitive area to put someone in who is under investigation for desertion, or whatever they're calling it these days! :shock:

Greetings, Joe Trumps. :2wave:
 
Sorry but I can't trust a regime that can't back up files, blames a YouTube video and tells everyone they can keep their dr when some can't. Finding this man guilty would have damned our dictator and they won't let that happen. Trust is earned and this regime has NONE.

So you selectively support the constitutional rights of Americans based on your opinion of presidential administrations. You do not support democracy. I know that there are those of you out there. It's good to know who you are.
 
You have gone senile Redress, you already have forgotten your Navy days.

Remember the term "Standing before the man" ?

Remember Article 15 of the UCMJ, Non-Judicial Punishment ?

Remember those big and scary looking sadistic Marines :eek: who ran the Navy brigs ?

NJP does not convict you of a crime. Thank you for playing.
 
I worked for our government, was a part of a local government, and had great faith in our government -until the last 5 years.

Did you apply for the job?

Do they pay you what you agreed to?

If you don't like your employer, go somewhere else?

Oh, wait a minute, I thought I was talking about a privately held company. Never mind, complain as much as you want.
 
None of which addresses anything I actually said. Even in the military, presumption of guilt is not the case, not is conviction without trial.

Absolutely true, which is why acting as Dana has that his reinstatement to active duty is some kind of sign that he's not going to be charged with AWOL or that "pundits" (because apparently fellow soldiers are "pundits“) we're wrong. The investigation is on going, but until it's dropped or action taken Bergdahl is presumed innocent....but is not cleared of potential wrong doing as of yet.

It's wrong to suggest he's definitely a deserter, it's also wrong to act as if this somehow proves otherwise as well

As to Dana's pathetic attempt to debate via slogan, he should refer to the daily shows well said condemnation of that attitude. Justifying the trade simply because "it's the American way" is a laughable, hollow, ridiculous argument that sounds wonderful for the bumper of his pickup truck but hardly has any legitimate substance to it
 
Absolutely true, which is why acting as Dana has that his reinstatement to active duty is some kind of sign that he's not going to be charged with AWOL or that "pundits" (because apparently fellow soldiers are "pundits“) we're wrong. The investigation is on going, but until it's dropped or action taken Bergdahl is presumed innocent....but is not cleared of potential wrong doing as of yet.

It's wrong to suggest he's definitely a deserter, it's also wrong to act as if this somehow proves otherwise as well

As to Dana's pathetic attempt to debate via slogan, he should refer to the daily shows well said condemnation of that attitude. Justifying the trade simply because "it's the American way" is a laughable, hollow, ridiculous argument that sounds wonderful for the bumper of his pickup truck but hardly has any legitimate substance to it

Dana's reference to pundits was not the soldiers who accused him, but those pundits who made a big deal out of it. To the best of my knowledge, the army investigation is still ongoing(and contrary to what some think, yes, the army is in his chain of command). Until the investigation is done, or at least far enough along to make a firm accusation of wrongdoing, he is still a soldier, and still going to be treated as such. That means putting him back to work is not surprising, nor is it some kind of conspiracy. Those suggestions are just stupid.
 
It was predicted. In Obama new politically correct army, abandoning your post in combat and surrendering to the enemy is now considered to be "serving with honor and distinction."

Who wants to bet that Obama awards Bergdahl with the POW Medal ?

my hope is the investigation finds him to be deserving of it
 
Dana's reference to pundits was not the soldiers who accused him, but those pundits who made a big deal out of it. To the best of my knowledge, the army investigation is still ongoing(and contrary to what some think, yes, the army is in his chain of command). Until the investigation is done, or at least far enough along to make a firm accusation of wrongdoing, he is still a soldier, and still going to be treated as such. That means putting him back to work is not surprising, nor is it some kind of conspiracy. Those suggestions are just stupid.
Nobody in this thread has made any such suggestion. It is curious that the only focus you and others have is to complain about the non existent call to find Bergdahl guilty without his day in court. Which has not occurred in this thread. So while you are off tilting at strawmen and windmills? Dana referenced his inability to grasp what the "firestorm" was all about. Professing utter ignorance about it all, yet ironically claiming to be aware of what the punditry had to say about the matter. So danarhea actually knows what the firestorm is all about, he just does not mind acting like an ignorant boob about it all. OK. Except he did that while also referencing some fictional "hiking" hokum as a reason why the investigation was supposed (in Dana's mind) to be over. Now that was a stupid suggestion and that was actually made! Essentially Danarhea is just striking a purposefully ignorant pose for the sake of, well.........what else? An internet argument. A really stupid one, but then I guess his mind had taken a hike when he started the thread without actually reading his own article. :applaud
 
So it turns out that investigators did not press AWOL charges against him, and from previous stories that he frequently left the base to take hikes, and then came back each time, it turns out that the accusations against him from many pundits here were unfounded. So why the firestorm over the trade to get him back? We don't leave our own in the hands of the enemy, whether or not they were AWOL, but it seems that some here were very willing to do that, whether or not Bergdahl had been AWOL or not. What the hell is happening to us if we are willing to throw our soldiers into the garbage over allegations, even before an investigation shows the evidence was not enough to put Bergdahl on trial? So we traded 5 Taliban members for Bergdahl - I call that a good trade. Bergdahl is one of ours, and we don't leave ours behind to rot on the battlefield, or in the prisons of the enemy. That is the American way.

Article is here.

you seem to be under the impression that the investigation is over ,bro.... believe me, it's not...

this part of the article made me laugh though
As he returns to active duty, he will live in barracks and will have two soldiers assigned to help him during the transition,
those assigned soldiers aren't there to "help him during the transition"... those are guards

the LA times did a piece on him returning to active duty as well.... in that article they stated he will "live in the NCO barracks and work with other soldiers who are providing leadership and guidance"

that dude is being guarded, no doubt about it...PAO's ( public affairs officers) rarely, if ever, deviate from SOP


in any event, he is still looking at giving lots and lots of testimony
 
NJP does not convict you of a crime. Thank you for playing.

Yes it does, you just don't get to defend yourself and your CO doesn't need to produce any evidence.

I'm not a barracks JAG officer but I kind of got the idea what the UCMJ was while standing on the yellow footprints at MCRDSD.

I also learned what it meant that Marines take care of their own and also police themselves.

Lets see, you have NJP's. administrative discharge boards, Captains Mast, Summary Court Martial, General Court Martial.

Then you have all of the unofficial trials and punishment that aren't found in any field manuals or in the UCMJ. This is usually found in combat arms. We police ourselves.

How did it work on ship Redress ? There must have been some sailors reporting to sick bay and saying they walked into a hatchway. Better than facing a Summary or General Court Martial.

You know that movie with Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men" ? Based upon a true event with in the Corps. It happened all of the time. Still does but Obama and the progressive caucus in Congress are trying to stop it.

Rep. Judy Chu (D/progressive) is so stupid, she would have rather had her nephew to be tried in a General Court Martial for falling asleep on perimeter watch in combat and facing death by musketry if convicted. Instead the Marines of Chu's nephew unit decided to police themselves instead of having him face a firing squad.

BTW: Bergdahl bugging out in combat also carries the same maximum penalty, death by musketry.
 
Yes it does, you just don't get to defend yourself and your CO doesn't need to produce any evidence.

I'm not a barracks JAG officer but I kind of got the idea what the UCMJ was while standing on the yellow footprints at MCRDSD.

I also learned what it meant that Marines take care of their own and also police themselves.

Lets see, you have NJP's. administrative discharge boards, Captains Mast, Summary Court Martial, General Court Martial.

Then you have all of the unofficial trials and punishment that aren't found in any field manuals or in the UCMJ. This is usually found in combat arms. We police ourselves.

How did it work on ship Redress ? There must have been some sailors reporting to sick bay and saying they walked into a hatchway. Better than facing a Summary or General Court Martial.

You know that movie with Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men" ? Based upon a true event with in the Corps. It happened all of the time. Still does but Obama and the progressive caucus in Congress are trying to stop it.

Rep. Judy Chu (D/progressive) is so stupid, she would have rather had her nephew to be tried in a General Court Martial for falling asleep on perimeter watch in combat and facing death by musketry if convicted. Instead the Marines of Chu's nephew unit decided to police themselves instead of having him face a firing squad.

BTW: Bergdahl bugging out in combat also carries the same maximum penalty, death by musketry.

redress is right, non-judicial punishment does not convict you of a crime..... the assumption is that you are already guilty when NJP is imposed.

in laymans terms...when you walk into an Office Hours proceeding.. you're already guilty... you're just there to find out what your punishment is.
( you can decline NJP, if you so choose, but it's usually a bad idea.. unless you are innocent of the charges and have very very good evidence to prove it.... bu then again, if you had evidence, you wouldn't be standing tall in the first place ;))
 
Dana's reference to pundits was not the soldiers who accused him, but those pundits who made a big deal out of it. To the best of my knowledge, the army investigation is still ongoing(and contrary to what some think, yes, the army is in his chain of command). Until the investigation is done, or at least far enough along to make a firm accusation of wrongdoing, he is still a soldier, and still going to be treated as such. That means putting him back to work is not surprising, nor is it some kind of conspiracy. Those suggestions are just stupid.

When Burgdahl bugged out he was listed as a deserter in combat. As soon as they learned he worked his way into Taliban captivity, Bergdahl was listed as a POW.

Up to four weeks ago not one member of Bergdahls platoon has ever been interviewed by Army investigators, not one.

Something stinks.
 
Yes it does, you just don't get to defend yourself and your CO doesn't need to produce any evidence.

I'm not a barracks JAG officer but I kind of got the idea what the UCMJ was while standing on the yellow footprints at MCRDSD.

I also learned what it meant that Marines take care of their own and also police themselves.

Lets see, you have NJP's. administrative discharge boards, Captains Mast, Summary Court Martial, General Court Martial.

Then you have all of the unofficial trials and punishment that aren't found in any field manuals or in the UCMJ. This is usually found in combat arms. We police ourselves.

How did it work on ship Redress ? There must have been some sailors reporting to sick bay and saying they walked into a hatchway. Better than facing a Summary or General Court Martial.

You know that movie with Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men" ? Based upon a true event with in the Corps. It happened all of the time. Still does but Obama and the progressive caucus in Congress are trying to stop it.

Rep. Judy Chu (D/progressive) is so stupid, she would have rather had her nephew to be tried in a General Court Martial for falling asleep on perimeter watch in combat and facing death by musketry if convicted. Instead the Marines of Chu's nephew unit decided to police themselves instead of having him face a firing squad.

BTW: Bergdahl bugging out in combat also carries the same maximum penalty, death by musketry.

Congratz, you are wrong in pretty much every detail. Here, let me help:

http://www.usarj.army.mil/cmdstaffs/sja/criminallaw/ar27-10.pdf
10 U.S. Code § 815 - Art. 15. Commanding officer
 
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