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San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

SF can sue the company...........it cannot execute any of it laws it makes on a foreign company in a foreign nation.

Ummm it can stop the company from operating within city limits as it is breaking city laws - which is what it just did. MonkeyParking hasn't been stopped from operating outside of SF city limits. Which again: Is 100% legal.
 
Ummm it can stop the company from operating within city limits as it is breaking city laws - which is what it just did. MonkeyParking hasn't been stopped from operating outside of SF city limits. Which again: Is 100% legal.

i heard about SF, telling monkeyparking to turn off its app......

if the company is in Rome, and holds no property in SF.... then the company CAN tell SF to take a hike.....because SF has no authority out of its area.
 
no....if you are a foreign national on america soil.and you murder.....local police can arrest and put you on trial.

if a foreign national murders and leave the country....then the state deportment gets involved.


again for you...powers of regulation on foreign commerce are only a federal power....states have no power in that area......the federal government controls all powers which are for the union as a whole under article 1 section 8
So why if you are a foreign business doing business in the a US city, you are immune from that US city laws?
 
again for you...powers of regulation on foreign commerce are only a federal power....states have no power in that area......the federal government controls all powers which are for the union as a whole under article 1 section 8
Read that part of the constitution and show me where it says it is exclusively a power of congress.
 
So why if you are a foreign business doing business in the a US city, you are immune from that US city laws?

no ...that is not what i said.......if the company has operation [STRUCTURE] is SF...then the city can execute a law on the company...

but to give you an example:

if a Texas based company had made this app, and that company had no building in SF, the city cannot execute a law on a Texas company....it can sue......that is all.
 
They hold the spot until the buyer gets there, and don't allow other people to park there. That's selling the spot.

It's more like selling their time. They are agreeing to wait, instead of just leaving, for them to get there, for a fee. They still have to pay for the parking spot.
 
Read that part of the constitution and show me where it says it is exclusively a power of congress.



article 1 section 1--All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

amendment 10---all powers not delegated to the federal government by the constitution shall remain the powers of the states and the people respectively.
 
They hire people to hold the parking spots hostage while drivers bid on the spaces. They're not selling information, they're selling the use of property that doesn't belong to them.

Well, off with their heads.
 
article 1 section 1--All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section 1 means that the only powers congress have are in article 1. It doesn't mean the powers granted are exclusive to congress.
 
San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down .........City Attorney Dennis Herrera served the startup a cease-and-desist letter,



to repeat, the city of SF has no authority to tell company not in SF to stop its operation, .......the city would have to sue...in a federal court.
 
Section 1 means that the only powers congress have are in article 1. It doesn't mean the powers granted are exclusive to congress.

the Constitution delegates powers to the federal government ONLY.....

it does not delegate ANY to the states......

the powers of congress in article 1 section 8...are the powers the states gave over to the federal government in creating the constitution.

the constitution creates federalism, and places restrictions on the federal government.

it grants the federal government few powers...all other powers the states had before the Constitution .........they retain.
 
the Constitution delegates powers to the federal government ONLY.....

it does not delegate ANY to the states......

the powers of congress in article 1 section 8...are the powers the states gave over to the federal government in creating the constitution.

the constitution creates federalism, and places restrictions on the federal government.

it grants the federal government few powers...all other powers the state had before the Constitution .........they retain.

You completely miss the point, and it sounds like you are repeating instructed words.

If all article 1 is exclusive to congress, then why state it again:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
 
You completely miss the point, and it sounds like you are repeating instructed words.

If all article 1 is exclusive to congress, then why state it again:

again the states have no powers granted by the Constitution....

federalism is the separation of powers, which is what the constitution creates...

it separates powers between the federal government and the states, ...with federal powers listed in the Constitution, and all other powers not in the Constitution are state powers.

clause 17 which states, that d.c will be seat of power for the federal government, and only they have power there.......

the second part of the clause [ according to the founders at the convention state, that the federal government [congress] has no federal authority on state property]..........however the USSC does not see it that way.
 
San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down .........City Attorney Dennis Herrera served the startup a cease-and-desist letter,

to repeat, the city of SF has no authority to tell company not in SF to stop its operation, .......the city would have to sue...in a federal court.

You know, if they went to court, especially in SF, they would rule that SF can stop them from doing business in the city. They are making electronic transactions with people in the city, so I don't think there is any way for them to claim that they don't transact business within SF.

Whether of not the city has the right to stop them is another question.
 
It's more like selling their time. They are agreeing to wait, instead of just leaving, for them to get there, for a fee. They still have to pay for the parking spot.

Pay for a parking spot that isn't owned by the person selling it to them.

I can't sell your house.
 
I genuinely don't see an issue with what they are doing. Their service can save people alot of time, alot of money, and generally just make lives earlier.
One of these companies was paying people by the hour to hold spots.
:shrug:
 
Pay for a parking spot that isn't owned by the person selling it to them.

I can't sell your house.

They are selling their time. Did I say that already? Not the spot. That was my opinion. I should have made that clear.
 
This case makes a pretty nice argument for me on why public property should not exist.
 
Pay for a parking spot that isn't owned by the person selling it to them.

I can't sell your house.

But that argument is false. If I'm selling my time and not the spot then at best all I'm doing is selling my property, and not your parking spot.
 
But that argument is false. If I'm selling my time and not the spot then at best all I'm doing is selling my property, and not your parking spot.

Functionality is the key word here. You can't sell time anymore than you can sell gravity or movement. You sell a service or a good. The transaction doesn't go through without party A allowing party B access to the spot. So in short, any lawyer worth his salt would argue that what is being sold is access to public property and well... as we know, regardless of how you feel about public property, private companies/citizens don't have a right to do that.

:shrug:
 
So does that mean a foreign national can commit murder in SF, and SF cannot prosecute?

If he was not present when it occurred then no they cannot.
 
One of these companies was paying people by the hour to hold spots.
:shrug:

Then they are maximizing space utilization for the city which is a good thing for the cities coffers. Not to mention an increase in local jobs and payroll tax.
 
Then they are maximizing space utilization for the city which is a good thing for the cities coffers. Not to mention an increase in local jobs and payroll tax.
I suppose that taking up a parking space solely so that you can sell access to that spot is in some sense "utilizing" the space. Not exactly improving the parking situation by creating artificial scarcity.
 
I suppose that taking up a parking space solely so that you can sell access to that spot is in some sense "utilizing" the space. Not exactly improving the parking situation by creating artificial scarcity.

I didn't say it wasn't douche baggery, just economically sound for the city.
 
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