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Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

apdst said:
Why shouldn't he? It's true.
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The people who lived in these towns lived in the Great Lakes area. They decorated some of their clothes with shells that were traded from...

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...the people who lived in towns like these, on the West Coast.
Depending on who you believe, the population of North America pre-Columbus was between 5,000,000 and 18,000,000. When Captain Cook first landed on the shore of British Columbia, most of the sailors in his ships could only dream of living as well as the Natives they encountered.
If your schools told you that Natives were thinly scattered groups of savages, you were lied to.
 
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TeleKat said:
Ok, so if you won't give them amnesty and you won't even provide a reasonable path to citizenship, what exactly are you going to do with the thousands of immigrants that have already crossed the border and have made lives here? I see no viable way of sending them all home without infringing on the 4th amendment and wasting a ton of taxpayer money. You must also keep in mind that you will end up tearing families apart and damaging the lives of those who aren't "legal" but have lived their whole lives here.
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You lack imagination.

I do not care that they have made their lives here. Send them back to their home countries or drop them in the ocean and let them make their lives there.

We owe them nothing. They are invaders and they need to be treated as invaders. Round them up and drop them off at the border. Kill them if they try to return.
 
Misterveritis said:
You lack imagination.

I do not care that they have made their lives here. Send them back to their home countries or drop them in the ocean and let them make their lives there.

We owe them nothing. They are invaders and they need to be treated as invaders. Round them up and drop them off at the border. Kill them if they try to return.
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Why would you do that? Why tear apart communities and families like that? Why damage the economy?
 
"I do not care that they have made their lives here. Send them back to their home countries or drop them in the ocean and let them make their lives there.

We owe them nothing. They are invaders and they need to be treated as invaders. Round them up and drop them off at the border. Kill them if they try to return."
Lakryte said:
Why would you do that? Why tear apart communities and families like that? Why damage the economy?
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Send the whole family home or drop the whole family in the ocean. Invaders are not welcome. The new ones need to be repelled. The older ones need to be rooted out and deported.

I would do it because it is the right thing to do. America belongs to its citizens not to illegal aliens. It is time to behave like a sovereign nation and take control of our country again.
 
Gutierrez is just another Azatlan racist wanting to see the 'reconquista' by 'his people'.......I don't see him calling out for refugee status for White South Africans who are being beaten, murdered and raped just for being White.....
 
Misterveritis said:
"I do not care that they have made their lives here. Send them back to their home countries or drop them in the ocean and let them make their lives there.

We owe them nothing. They are invaders and they need to be treated as invaders. Round them up and drop them off at the border. Kill them if they try to return."

Send the whole family home or drop the whole family in the ocean. Invaders are not welcome. The new ones need to be repelled. The older ones need to be rooted out and deported.

I would do it because it is the right thing to do. America belongs to its citizens not to illegal aliens. It is time to behave like a sovereign nation and take control of our country again.
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Why is it the right thing to do? You really think dropping whole families into the ocean is right? Tearing apart families and communities and damaging the economy does not make a country a sovereign nation but a cruel and foolish one.
 
Montecresto said:
You must think I'm an advocate for a world without borders. I've pointed out what I have to demonstrate the agenda for globalisation, driven by big business that has no use for secure borders. That's what's comical about watching these guys beat Obama up over the borders issue. Big business hasn't had an interest in secure borders for decades. Secure, tight or sealed borders are counter intuitive to their interests. Both parties pander to big business and you WILL NOT see our border secured.
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Most disappointing that, but also probably accurate.
 
Montecresto said:
Somebody always wants to throw the baby out along with the bath water.

The plain truth is that market liberalization by itself does not lift all boats, and in some cases, it has caused severe damage to poor nations. What's more, there's no point denying that multinationals have contributed to labor, environmental, and human-rights abuses as they pursue profit around the globe.

Global Capitalism
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In fact, oddly enough, none of what you say here is true.

A 200-Year Look At Automation And How It Has Improved Our Lives - Forbes

How have lives of women changed over 200 years ? Does it depend on what part of the world a woman lives ? | jhss10ryanmangat
 
Grand Mal said:
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The people who lived in these towns lived in the Great Lakes area. They decorated some of their clothes with shells that were traded from...

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...the people who lived in towns like these, on the West Coast.
Depending on who you believe, the population of North America pre-Columbus was between 5,000,000 and 18,000,000. When Captain Cook first landed on the shore of British Columbia, most of the sailors in his ships could only dream of living as well as the Natives they encountered.
If your schools told you that Natives were thinly scattered groups of savages, you were lied to.
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There's not much evidence of millions of Natives in those photos and it also seems that if it was so good the foreigners would have adapted to their lifestyles.
 
Misterveritis said:
You lack imagination.

I do not care that they have made their lives here. Send them back to their home countries or drop them in the ocean and let them make their lives there.

We owe them nothing. They are invaders and they need to be treated as invaders. Round them up and drop them off at the border. Kill them if they try to return.
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It seems clear that the Honduran's, etc,, have to get their own house in order. That's where the faults lie.
 
Grant said:
There's not much evidence of millions of Natives in those photos
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So you want a picture of each one?

Grant said:
and it also seems that if it was so good the foreigners would have adapted to their lifestyles.
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Seriously? You expect Europeans of that era to 'adapt to their lifestyles'? The Native's paganism alone qualified them for racial-cleansing genocide. There were villages here, in British Columbia, of a few hundreds that supported artists, men who didn't hunt or fish because their only job was art. There's cities of thousands here now that can't support the arts. The Natives in the East taught the white settlers what to grow and how and enabled the first settlements to survive.
 
Where the hell is G from. Sometimes one has just got to laugh, just laugh.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's possible he's not that obtuse, that he's doing it on purpose to rattle your chain. Either way, I don't see a happy ending here...
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Thanks GM, I feel better now. You know, he's on the bottom rung so it really is a matter of upper IQ.
 
Grand Mal said:
So you want a picture of each one?
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The real question is why you posted those photos at all. Were they to represent millions of Native Americans or to show that there are Indian villages?
Seriously? You expect Europeans of that era to 'adapt to their lifestyles'?
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Didn't you claim that "When Captain Cook first landed on the shore of British Columbia, most of the sailors in his ships could only dream of living as well as the Natives they encountered". Why would they not, like Paul Gauguin, adapt?
The Native's paganism alone qualified them for racial-cleansing genocide.
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Only according to you.
There were villages here, in British Columbia, of a few hundreds that supported artists, men who didn't hunt or fish because their only job was art.
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Then it's clear they had time to invent the wheel. Perhaps it's time you cited some evidence.

There's cities of thousands here now that can't support the arts.
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Which city, or cities, is that?

The Natives in the East taught the white settlers what to grow and how and enabled the first settlements to survive.
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That's the first truthful thing you've said.
 
Misterveritis said:
"I do not care that they have made their lives here. Send them back to their home countries or drop them in the ocean and let them make their lives there.

We owe them nothing. They are invaders and they need to be treated as invaders. Round them up and drop them off at the border. Kill them if they try to return."

Send the whole family home or drop the whole family in the ocean. Invaders are not welcome. The new ones need to be repelled. The older ones need to be rooted out and deported.

I would do it because it is the right thing to do. America belongs to its citizens not to illegal aliens. It is time to behave like a sovereign nation and take control of our country again.
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^^
At least he is using the bible to support what he is saying. Jesus said "Suffer the little children", and damn it, come hell or high water, he's going to make them suffer. :mrgreen:
 
danarhea said:
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At least he is using the bible to support what he is saying. Jesus said "Suffer the little children", and damn it, come hell or high water, he's going to make them suffer. :mrgreen:
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Perhaps there are people, legal Americans, who would choose to adopt some of these children.
 
Lakryte said:
Why is it the right thing to do? You really think dropping whole families into the ocean is right? Tearing apart families and communities and damaging the economy does not make a country a sovereign nation but a cruel and foolish one.
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Did I stutter?

They are invaders who are damaging the nation. I believe I offered up the Mongol solution. Kill all males over 3 feet tall, divided the women into the desirable, the undesirable and the sick. Kill the sick. Sell the ugly and distribute the desirable women for use as wives or concubines.

Take your pick. Either way word will get out and the invasion will stop.
 
danarhea said:
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At least he is using the bible to support what he is saying. Jesus said "Suffer the little children", and damn it, come hell or high water, he's going to make them suffer. :mrgreen:
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Where, in your opinion, did I reference the bible?

Goofy. Simply goofy.
 
Doesnt sound like this conversation is going very well when people start referencing Mongols as a example.
 
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