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Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

You liberals are always afraid of something.

Back on September 11th, 2001 you liberals stopped despising those who wore the uniform and yelled "Mr.President Bush save us, please Mr. soldier, protect us."

America is being pussified by liberal/progressives. We are becoming a nation of lefty ******s.

Hey Unitedwestand, you're majoring in history, has your liberal history professor taught you what happens when you look like a *****, walk like a ***** and talk like a ***** ? There's always someone in the world who's not a ***** and will walk all over you after beating your ***** to a pulp.

Just south of America there's a nation that has always been full of ******s. Some of them run away from their problems running towards El Norte but all they do is bring their problems with them. They ended up becoming America's problems.

Back during the late 1800's it was really out of control and the ******s decided to give the banditos a gun and badge to police the banditos. They were called "Ruralalities." They also did the same with the Yaqui's around the same time.

May explain why Mexican law enforcement is so corrupt today.

I predict soon the Mexican cartels will be given a badge. They already have the guns.

apache you know what the us millitary can do.

Eliminate the cartels and gangs that are the source of the problem

create a special task force, delegate it to Mexico, Guatemala, el Salvador, or Honduras. offer these countries the use of this task force and have u.s soldiers act as peace keepers.

or better yet, eliminate the columbian cartels who are at the root of this crime ring.

that is the only application of US millitary force i would approve of using.
 
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Stop the personal crap now.
 
apache you know what the us millitary can do.

Eliminate the cartels and gangs that are the source of the problem

create a special task force, delegate it to Mexico, Guatemala, el Salvador, or Honduras. offer these countries the use of this task force and have u.s soldiers act as peace keepers.

or better yet, eliminate the columbian cartels who are at the root of this crime ring.

that is the only application of US millitary force i would approve of using.

There is no reason why these governments can't do this for themselves, though with outside training and equipment. Just the threat of cutting of aid programs might spur some action. But first there has to be the will to change.
 
So now we have given up defending your old opinion and started a new one. Nice deflection, but your opinion is still just that and not all gun laws have increased gun crime. Gun violence in CA is down, and the laws sure are not. Oh....guess what there is something called a fact...look it up....in fact you should look up your opinions before touting them. I'm sure you are a smart person but touting opinions as facts doesn't make you look very smart at all.

Im a Californian and can vouch for this.
 
You'll have to ask someone on the left of the political spectrum. Communist Part USA (CPUSA) and it's splinter groups are always the first to denounce border security and immigration laws being enforced.

Yeah right - communists wouldn't tolerate illegal immigration - not that any logical individual wants to live in such hell anyways - no, the communists purge and cull.

No country would tolerate illegal immigration except for the United States and only because progressives love it...... Progressives should be deported along with the illegals in my opinion. Their politics are treasonous.
 
You'll have to ask someone on the left of the political spectrum. Communist Part USA (CPUSA) and it's splinter groups are always the first to denounce border security and immigration laws being enforced.


They're not communists - they're epic idiots..... They're anarchistic totalitarians (if that makes any sense) - think children - their ideal society is lord of the flies.

They're sociopaths who want to look normal. You can clearly see this when they are all loving and caring but these clowns would be the last ones in the world to sponsor a Mexican/South American family..... They only give a **** when it's not their money or job that is on the line.
 
True, but there is more to it than just a President saying he want's this done. So much today is polarized that anything, even if it is what we want to see done, will likely be held by one side or another as a leverage tool for something any particular politician wants him/herself. This is not helped when a President tries to constantly play the whining card, or the race card, and demonize his opponents.

We all know what has to be done, and how to get there. Giant "comprehensive" laws are horrible, and nearly unimplementable. So we need to get back to basics. When you have a leaky roof, you don't mop the floor until you fix the roof, and you certainly don't burn the house down to fix the roof.



Then we likely have a semblance of agreement. The rhetoric that the illegals do the jobs that American's won't do, while had some merit before 2008, today is nearly out the window with so many out of work, or out of the workforce. This will come to a head. There IMHO, will come a time when all of this extended unemployment, welfare, and disability dole will have to be culled. At that time the backlash against these so called people doing jobs American's won't do will fly right out the window.

Come on j, "only had merit before 2008", is giving cover to Bush. It's had merit for a couple of decades. By Bush's presidency, illegal immigrants in the work place had already gone far beyond just the work that Americans don't want to do! Bush was wrong about that.
 
Yeah right - communists wouldn't tolerate illegal immigration - not that any logical individual wants to live in such hell anyways - no, the communists purge and cull.

No country would tolerate illegal immigration except for the United States and only because progressives love it...... Progressives should be deported along with the illegals in my opinion. Their politics are treasonous.

Start with A*N*S*W*E*R* Coalition and start working your way back. A*N*S*W*E*R* is a splinter group of The Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) which is a splinter group of Communist Party USA (CPUSA)

A*N*S*W*E*R* Coalition was the organizer behind most of the pro open borders and pro amnesty demonstrations that you see usually around May 1st of every year.

When you hear "We clean your toilets" think of socialist.
 
They're not communists - they're epic idiots..... They're anarchistic totalitarians (if that makes any sense) - think children - their ideal society is lord of the flies.

They're sociopaths who want to look normal. You can clearly see this when they are all loving and caring but these clowns would be the last ones in the world to sponsor a Mexican/South American family..... They only give a **** when it's not their money or job that is on the line.

CPUSA isn't the same CPUSA of thirty years ago. From the early 1920's to the late 1980's CPUSA always got their orders directly from the Kremlin. Today they seem to be no different than progressives probably because today's progressives aren't really progressives but something else hiding behind the progressive label.

It's true progressives who call for strict immigration policies and would meet the definition of being nativist like T. Roosevelt, Woodward Wilson, Dillingham, Bellamy.

Did you watch the CPUSA convention last week or was it three weeks ago on C-Span ? Their platform seems to be a cut and copy of the Democrat Party.
 
NO AMNESTY - EVER. Immediate deportation is the only option.

What about the border...it's a sieve right now.

And how do you plan to round up all these illegals? The government has tried for years and done pretty badly at it.
At least under my idea, many of those illegals would become tax paying citizens. Presently, they lower wages for all Americans and pay ZERO income taxes...all while putting burdens on healthcare and other government services.

So what is your grand plan for solving the illegal alien problem?
(I feel I am going to regret asking that)


Btw...you do realize that many, many businesses love illegal aliens and do not support government efforts to curtail them and support/lobby politicians to allow the status quo to continue?
 
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What about the border...it's a sieve right now.

And how do you plan to round up all these illegals?
The government has tried for years and done pretty badly at it.
At least under my idea, many of those illegals would become tax paying citizens. Presently, they lower wages for all Americans and pay ZERO income taxes...all while putting burdens on healthcare and other government services.
So what is your grand plan for solving the illegal alien problem?
(I feel I am going to regret asking that)
Btw...you do realize that many, many businesses love illegal aliens and do not support government efforts to curtail them and support/lobby politicians to allow the status quo to continue?
Again with the Fallacious BS.

I've answered it several times.
Pass a law making the hiring of illegals.. Illegal.
BIG Fines and Jail.
Job applicants must have National ID/e-Verify.

No Jobs, No illegal incentive to come or stay
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Guaranteed poverty.
You don't have to "round them all up", the Greatest Lie ever told, and I answered it throughout this string.
In fact, you could get rid of most of the border guards.

Got it yet?
 
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Again with the Fallacious BS.

I've answered it several times.
Pass a law making the hiring of illegals.. Illegal.
BIG Fines and Jail.
Job applicants must have National ID/e-Verify.

No Jobs, No illegal incentive to come or stay
.
Guaranteed poverty.
You don't have to "round them all up", the Greatest Lie ever told, and I answered it throughout this string.
In fact, you could get rid of most of the border guards.

Got it yet?

Lol...I wasn't talking to you.

Got it yet?
 
Lol...I wasn't talking to you.

Got it yet?
What does it matter WHO you were talking to?
THIS is a PUBLIC Message Board for ALL participants.
You're saying having False BS getting destroyed by anyone but who you quoted doesn't count?

"Unfair"?
Hard to believe you would try such a Childish rejection of the truth.

This is 'My' String no less, and I can't participate!
In any case, you are now Answered and Refuted.
 
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What does it matter WHO you were talking to?
THIS is a PUBLIC Message Board for ALL participants.
You're saying having False BS getting destroyed by anyone but who you quoted doesn't count?

"Unfair"?
Hard to believe you would try such a Childish rejection of the truth.

This is 'My' String no less, and I can't participate!
In any case, you are no Answered and Refuted.

Lol...no, I am saying I don't waste my time with people whom I believe are emotionally unstable on a subject.

And you seem to be foaming at the mouth over this...pass.

I am not saying the other guy isn't...but at this point he seems less 'foamy'.

Get a grip, calm down and maybe I will 'chat' with you on this...but not today.


Good day.
 
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What a great example we're setting for future, prospective citizens...we're basically saying "If enough of you can get in illegally, you can all stay and not have to go through the process of legalization like the millions of other honest, hardworking people."

This reminds me of the Mariel boatlift; look what happened when we allowed hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants to gain legal citizenship without going through the proper process. This is not a decision that should be made with the heart, people to need to stop being so soft and realize that if someone want's to immigrate to the US; they should achieve that by going through the proper citizenship process.
 
What about humanitarianism toward the American people? It's disgusting that the bleeding heart Liberals don't give a damn about Americans.

Mexicans are Americans, North Americans to be exact. At least get your **** straight when saying ignorant things.

We don't owe the immigrants a damn thing. They and their huge dependent families should all be deported along with all the Mexicans that arrived in the past thirty years.

Nice racist slant, big families and that "all the Mexicans" comment. Do you really think that people who have been here 30 years should be thrown out of the country?

Americans were never allowed to vote on whether we wanted them here in culture destroying numbers so they're all here illegally. How would we treat anyone else that attempted to colonize our country and destroy our culture?

Why don't you ask this to the Native Americans?
 
Mexicans are Americans, North Americans to be exact. At least get your **** straight when saying ignorant things.

Why don't you ask this to the Native Americans?

Ask the Mexicans if they consider themselves Mexican or American. The majority of them are loyal to Mexico NOT America. And I suspect that includes you "Texmex".

And since you brought up "Native Americans" I must say that I agree with you. Whenever one racial group displaces another racial group the original group ends up slowly dieing off with their cultural and history virtually wiped out. Which is a strong argument why America should put troops on the border now and stop the illegal invasion cold.
 
Ask the Mexicans if they consider themselves Mexican or American. The majority of them are loyal to Mexico NOT America. And I suspect that includes you "Texmex".

And since you brought up "Native Americans" I must say that I agree with you. Whenever one racial group displaces another racial group the original group ends up slowly dieing off with their cultural and history virtually wiped out. Which is a strong argument why America should put troops on the border now and stop the illegal invasion cold.

we cannot claim to be humanitarians if we send troops to militarize the southern border.
 
Penalty for hiring an illegal.
Minimums:
First offense: $5,000
Second......... $10,000
Third............ Fine + Jail.

That would go for Individuals too.
Once examples are made, the nonsense will stop.
If 'your' illegal can get a visa to come, OK.
If not, tough luck.

To a corporation that is chump change.
 
we cannot claim to be humanitarians if we send troops to militarize the southern border.

Well I guess we will just let them keep coming and destroy and displace us and everything our ancestors fought bled sweat and died for so we can be "humanitarian". How about being "humanitarian" to your own countrymen, to your ancestors, kin and descendants?
 
Well I guess we will just let them keep coming and destroy and displace us and everything our ancestors fought bled sweat and died for so we can be "humanitarian". How about being "humanitarian" to your own countrymen, to your ancestors, kin and descendants?

our culture is a amalgamation of multiple cultures blended into one.
 
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