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Ride-Sharing Service Lyft Defies New York City, State Regulators

Amandi said:
Nope. If a person wants to offer the ridesharing, they have to take the risk that they can get sued if they get an accident. Works both ways.
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What is the average settlement for "turns out he was an axe murderer?"
 
When government over steps it's reality capitalism kicks it's a!!

Ahlevah said:
Here we go again:



"Suggested donation." :lamoOnce again, old guard establishment interests run headlong into the iPhone. New York says this is about public safety, but whom are they kidding? This is about what it always is about: money and turf.
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Deuce said:
Do you think we should go with anecdotes or data?
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Data would be fine. How many Lyft passengers have been killed versus the number of people killed in/by regulated taxis, limos, buses, and commuter trains? :think:
 
Summerwind said:
There's a big difference between traffic errors, regardless of the outcome, and intentionally running from the police in a high speed chase and kidnapping those in your car.
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Traffic errors? That "traffic error" in California resulted int the deaths of twenty-five people. Since they're dead, yeah, I'd say there's a big difference.
 
PeteEU said:
Now saying that, the taxi companies SHOULD adopt the technical aspect of the system. The thing about Uber is the app and ease of the app.. combine that with a vetted driver and maintained car... and you have a winner. No more calling the taxi company saying where you are.. just plot it in on Google maps, and viola the taxi can find you.
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Unless the taxi inspector's been bribed:

A federal grand jury in Philadelphia returned a 63-count indictment charging the five men with racketeering and extortion.

It charged that the inspectors took $76,000 total in bribes - mostly in $20, $50 and $100 increments - to pass cabs without inspecting them and issue permits to hacks without testing them.

Five taxi inspectors charged with taking $76,000 in bribes - Philly.com
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More than than half of New York City's 50 taxi inspectors were charged yesterday with taking bribes to overlook safety and emission violations in yellow cabs, city investigators said.

An 11-month inquiry by the city's Department of Investigation found that the inspectors had devised a variety of illegal methods to allow taxis to pass inspections that the vehicles otherwise would probably have failed, potentially jeopardizing the safety of millions of passengers.

Inspectors Held in Bribe Scheme To Hide Cab Defects in New York - NYTimes.com
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An employee of the city's Ground Transportation Bureau and a member of the board of directors at United Cabs Inc. were arrested by New Orleans police Tuesday for their roles in a scheme in which the employee allegedly took bribes in exchange for a stack of stickers certifying that taxis had passed city inspections.

City employee, United Cab Co. official booked in alleged taxi caper: Update | NOLA.com
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A former Atlantic City inspector was indicted today for allegedly accepting cash bribes from a taxi operator and accepting money or sexual favors as bribes from operators of massage parlors and “stress therapy centers,” Acting Attorney General John J. Hoffman announced.

Read more: Former Atlantic City Inspector Indicted For Allegedly Taking Bribes From Taxi Cab & Massage Parlor Operators
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And so on and so forth. I feel so much safer in a cab.
 
Amandi said:
Nope. If a person wants to offer the ridesharing, they have to take the risk that they can get sued if they get an accident. Works both ways.
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Why should a person who's "not worried about safety" get to suddenly become worried about safety when an incident happens? They made their choice based on convenience and cost over safety, so if something happens they should just STFU and live with their decision.
 
Deuce said:
Yeah, I mean who wants to bother seeing if the drivers are safe or the vehicles are safe or maintained. Hey, can we apply this to airlines too?
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That's a great idea!
 
Ahlevah said:
Data would be fine. How many Lyft passengers have been killed versus the number of people killed in/by regulated taxis, limos, buses, and commuter trains? :think:
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No, you can't narrow it specifically to that particular application.

How many people have been killed by accepting a ride from someone they've never met?
 
Deuce said:
How many people have been killed by accepting a ride from someone they've never met?
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Really, what does the fact that you never met the person have to do with anything? How many people know their cab, bus, limo, or commuter train driver before they get into their vehicle? Shouldn't you include them in the sample? Besides, aren't most people killed riding with people they know or are acquainted with? According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 75% of men and 88% if women homicide victims are killed by people they know or are acquainted with, so the odds are more people are killed getting into cars with people they know. I imagine, too, most people who die in auto accidents know the people they're riding with. So I don't see how knowing someone is supposed to make you safer. In fact, just the opposite seems to be the case: knowing people is hazardous to your health.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Hitchhiking Statistics
 
Ahlevah said:
Really, what does the fact that you never met the person have to do with anything? How many people know their cab, bus, limo, or commuter train driver before they get into their vehicle? Shouldn't you include them in the sample? Besides, aren't most people killed riding with people they know or are acquainted with? According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 75% of men and 88% if women homicide victims are killed by people they know or are acquainted with, so the odds are more people are killed getting into cars with people they know. I imagine, too, most people who die in auto accidents know the people they're riding with. So I don't see how knowing someone is supposed to make you safer. In fact, just the opposite seems to be the case: knowing people is hazardous to your health.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Hitchhiking Statistics
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Yes, but if you already knew the person you aren't using this app and are therefore not relevant to the discussion.

The comparison that needs to be made is:

1) Total strangers
2) Total strangers who have been properly registered and identified as taxi operators
 
Deuce said:
Yes, but if you already knew the person you aren't using this app and are therefore not relevant to the discussion.

The comparison that needs to be made is:

1) Total strangers
2) Total strangers who have been properly registered and identified as taxi operators
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Now you're just being silly. The BJS and NHTSA don't break down deaths by whether the person entering a vehicle knew the driver. And if it's your contention that knowing the driver is relevant then you need to explain how it's relevant.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, but if you already knew the person you aren't using this app and are therefore not relevant to the discussion.

The comparison that needs to be made is:

1) Total strangers
2) Total strangers who have been properly registered and identified as taxi operators
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In all fairness, the driver doesn't know the person they're picking up, either. I guess if you just don't want to offer or recieve rides from strangers then just don't participate in the program.
 
Deuce said:
What is the average settlement for "turns out he was an axe murderer?"
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I would be willing to bet it is zero cents I would be willing to bet that is never been sued over before.
 
radcen said:
Why should a person who's "not worried about safety" get to suddenly become worried about safety when an incident happens? They made their choice based on convenience and cost over safety, so if something happens they should just STFU and live with their decision.
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Because in the country we live and if you were negligent and caused harm to someone then they can sue you.
 
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