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Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

Errr...No, that's not how it works.
 
TheNextEra said:
Don't disagree there. It's just the old saying "It's only illegal if you get caught".
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The German chancellor also told the US president that America's National Security Agency cannot be trusted because of the volume of material it had allowed to leak to the whistleblower Edward Snowden, according to the New York Times.
 
Montecresto said:
Many US officials have been all over the news declaring that the expulsion of the CIA chief in Germany is UNPRECIDENTED! There is more to this story than we all know about, and pretending that this was generic espionage and Merkel popped off a little to save face is just cover.
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Angie got caught with her hand in the cookie jar and of course Ibama's weak ass is going to sit back and let her get away with it.
 
apdst said:
Angie got caught with her hand in the cookie jar and of course Ibama's weak ass is going to sit back and let her get away with it.
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Ok tough guy. How many divisions would YOU be sending into Germany right now?
 
Ryan5 said:
As an American, I think this is great news.


Germany is its own country. The US needs to stop fighting an intelligence war with Russia already in other peoples countries. It's rude and a waste of money anyways.
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The NSA read your post.
 
apdst said:
Why is it thst you Liberals only believe going to war and doing nothing?
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Well I'm not a liberal, and I believe war is almost always un preventable. So what again do you think needs to be done to Merkel/Germany.
 
Montecresto said:
Well I'm not a liberal, and I believe war is almost always un preventable. So what again do you think needs to be done to Merkel/Germany.
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I would hunt down every German mole I could find and go public with the information.
 
apdst said:
I would hunt down every German mole I could find and go public with the information.
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That's what the Obama administration claims the CIA to have been doing when they were caught.
 
Leo said:
No doubt, but I was approaching your question from an international perspective, and a socio-economic one.



Fair point - but as above, I was extending it to encompass more than Americans.



Of course, and as I have indicated elsewhere, I consider her right wing extremism to be a reaction to the extreme socialist environment of the then Soviet Union. I was in no way suggesting that her views were typically American, but they are embraced today by more Americans than Europeans, which is why I made mention of Atlas Shrugged.
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Good points, thanks
 
OldWorldOrder said:
What's wrong, Leo? You don't enjoy such things?

I asked you if you felt Europe was superior to the US. You wrote three paragraphs that didn't answer the question, aside from flirting with saying that in your subjective opinion it was. But that was only implied, not said. Hence I asked if that was a yes.

Now apparently you understand that it was rather rude to ask if multi-syllabic confused me? Or you just enjoyed saying it without foundation, but didn't enjoy it being thrown back at you, equally unfounded? Either way, Leo, the lesson here for you is if you can't answer the question, don't ****ing try.
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Well, I attempted to answer the question objectively and in some detail, but Montecresto did so better, and more succinctly, when he wrote that Europe does some things better than the USA, and vice versa. That was exactly what I was trying to say.

I admit that my gibe about multi-syllabic words was impolite, and I apologise, but you seemed to be deliberately ignoring and misinterpreting everything I wrote. I see no point in continuing a discussion of that nature - hence my unqualified surrender. The lessons I learnt from our exchange were entirely different from that which you suppose. :)
 
Montecresto said:
Well I'm not a liberal, and I believe war is almost always un preventable. So what again do you think needs to be done to Merkel/Germany.
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First, it would be necessary to determine the nature of the problem in Germany. When that is well understood, it may be possible to find a beneficial way though.
 
Montecresto said:
Ok tough guy. How many divisions would YOU be sending into Germany right now?
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I think that Germany has just pointed the way. They have canceled a large contract with Verizon. So tat for the tit and inspect every piece of machinery, automobile and everything individually at point of import.
 
apdst said:
Obviously they do see the need for spies, because the guy in question was a double spy. That means he was spying for the Germans, before he was spying for us.

I guess that's why we kicked their ass...twice!
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A country that does not enforce international security does not need spies as much as one whose treasure and the lives of its kids are on the line. Sure Germany does not understand the requirements. They have been free riding the American safety net.

PS: Germany has employed its secret service in the last couple of years in one case, where they did industrial espionage in Switzerland to acquire data about its citizens.
 
joG said:
Thanks for the link. I am not sure, what you want to point out, though. Other countries than the US spy pretty well too?
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Well no, that wasn't my point. Another poster drew attention to Germany supplying dictators with spyware. They aren't the only ones that do that.
 
Montecresto said:
Well no, that wasn't my point. Another poster drew attention to Germany supplying dictators with spyware. They aren't the only ones that do that.
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Of course they aren't. They are also not the only ones that supplied Syria with the means to manufacture the chemical weapons that the US are now trying to destroy nor the only suppliers to Iran's atomic weapons program. And even in the case of Auschwitz in the Sand they had cosuppliers, I am sure. Also the were not alone in siding with Saddam. But nobody had said that.
 
joG said:
Of course they aren't. They are also not the only ones that supplied Syria with the means to manufacture the chemical weapons that the US are now trying to destroy nor the only suppliers to Iran's atomic weapons program. And even in the case of Auschwitz in the Sand they had cosuppliers, I am sure. Also the were not alone in siding with Saddam. But nobody had said that.
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Ok, so are you a supporter of "democracies" supply spyware to dictators, or not?
 
Montecresto said:
Ok, so are you a supporter of "democracies" supply spyware to dictators, or not?
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In general no. There are situations imaginable, where spyware could be the better way to go.
 
joG said:
In general no. There are situations imaginable, where spyware could be the better way to go.
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Well apparently that's the way Germany feels about it. Though if humanitarianism was more than facade, no dictator would ever receive such aid.
 
Montecresto said:
Well apparently that's the way Germany feels about it. Though if humanitarianism was more than facade, no dictator would ever receive such aid.
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You think siding with Stalin in ww2 was like selling nuclear technology to Iran in the 90s? I don't.
 
joG said:
You think siding with Stalin in ww2 was like selling nuclear technology to Iran in the 90s? I don't.
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Where in the world did you get that from.
 
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