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Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

The poster was trying to imply this was all Bush's fault or Reagans fault - hence the Genesis of this entire affair was because of Republicans - which I just squashed like a bug.

HAHAHAHA! Nice try.

The point is not that anything was Bush or Reagans fault, but a career bureaucrat appointed and promoted under both Reagan or Bush make a fairly ludicrous lynch pin of a "gigantic" conspiracy. So what.. Obama planned to have Lerner installed in 2006 to counteract Citizens United in 2010 to target tea party groups that didn't yet exist?

If you want to delve into conspiracy land, you at least need to have some reasonable way for it to have been planned and orchestrated.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

HAHAHAHA! Nice try.

The point is not that anything was Bush or Reagans fault, but a career bureaucrat appointed and promoted under both Reagan or Bush make a fairly ludicrous lynch pin of a "gigantic" conspiracy. So what.. Obama planned to have Lerner installed in 2006 to counteract Citizens United in 2010 to target tea party groups that didn't yet exist?
Which I've already proven is a lie - since neither Reagan nor Bush appointed Lerner. The entire premise of your "point" is based on made up fantasy.

If you want to delve into conspiracy land, you at least need to have some reasonable way for it to have been planned and orchestrated.
Sorry - not my cup of tea and loons discussing conspiracy theories (you're a TRUTHER are you?) are segregated from the rest of DP in their own little hole.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

HAHAHAHA! Nice try.

The point is not that anything was Bush or Reagans fault, but a career bureaucrat appointed and promoted under both Reagan or Bush make a fairly ludicrous lynch pin of a "gigantic" conspiracy. So what.. Obama planned to have Lerner installed in 2006 to counteract Citizens United in 2010 to target tea party groups that didn't yet exist?

If you want to delve into conspiracy land, you at least need to have some reasonable way for it to have been planned and orchestrated.

Good grief. You're saying nothing.

Nobody knows yet what anyone knew because Lerner isn't talking. But the fact that she worked for government while Reagan & Bush were in office is irrelevant, utterly & completely irrelevant. Maybe she didn't do anything while Bush was President because nobody in the Bush administration wanted right wing groups scrutinized. You don't know, we don't know. Nobody knows. But stop deflecting from what we do know with your 7 degrees of separation ridiculous irrelevant posts.

Good grief x 2.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

According to liberal revisionist history, yes. I cannot find any official government files on her during these years.

According to blogs and other resources of unknown integrity, she was appointed to an FEC position in 1981 or 1986. I saw two different years. There was no senate confirmation vote, so it wasn't a key position. She was probably part of some package agreement the democrats insisted on. Same under Bush (43). They say she was appointed to the IRS then, but not necessarily by Bush's request.

OK, I found something:

WASHINGTON – The Federal Election Commission has designated

Lois G. Lerner, presently the FEC’s Associate General Counsel for Enforcement, to serve as Acting General Counsel for a period of six months while the Commission conducts an open selection process to fill the General Counsel’s position. Ms. Lerner’s appointment will be effective on January 2, 2001.

The FEC’s General Counsel, Lawrence M. Noble, will be leaving the FEC on January 1, 2001 to become Executive Director and General Counsel of the Center for Responsive Politics.

Ms. Lerner joined the FEC’s General Counsel’s Office in 1981, served as an Assistant General Counsel, and was appointed in 1986 to head the Enforcement Division. Prior to joining the FEC, she was a staff attorney in the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice. She is a graduate of Northeastern University in Boston and received her Juris Doctor from Western New England College of Law in Springfield, MA.

http://www.fec.gov/press/120100agc.htm
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

You're the only person attempting to make that distinction, and you're failing miserably.

First, I invented nothing. Second, the IRS described how she was "selected". Third, where is the proof of a Bush appointment? Oh yeah - there isn't any. Fourth - I didn't provide an article, I provided the IRS's official notification. You couldn't be more dishonest in your post if you tried - and I do believe you've tried.... very hard.

Well, since McCain wasn't in a position to APPOINT anyone as his running mate, yes he selected.




First rule of holes - if you find yourself in one stop digging. This is a good time to stop digging. Tend to your wounds a live to try another day.

You still don't see it. On one hand you're saying that Obama was secretly pulling the strings behind the tax exempt department of the IRS. On the other, you're saying that position was just a run of the mill IRS position filled internally in the IRS. Newsflash, it can't be both.

And seriously, your distinction between appointed and selected is pretty silly.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

You still don't see it. On one hand you're saying that Obama was secretly pulling the strings behind the tax exempt department of the IRS. On the other, you're saying that position was just a run of the mill IRS position filled internally in the IRS. Newsflash, it can't be both.

And seriously, your distinction between appointed and selected is pretty silly.

I don't have to see it - You posted misinformation. Any point you have is based on false information. All you've got left is moving the goal posts - which you're now attempting. How precious! I think I'm going to debate you more often - it's easy to refute abjectly false statements.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Actually W did appoint Bush to the IRS in 2001.

Look up Lois Lerner on Wikipedia. it clearly states this.

That does not have anything to do with the truth of her behaviors regarding the groups that applied for tax exempt status.

From where most people sit she's looking more and more guilty.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Actually W did appoint Bush to the IRS in 2001.

Look up Lois Lerner on Wikipedia. it clearly states this.

That does not have anything to do with the truth of her behaviors regarding the groups that applied for tax exempt status.

From where most people sit she's looking more and more guilty.

Yet the IRS says she was "selected". Does Wiki have the link which states Bush himself appointed her? It's interesting because the President doesn't make low level appointments - in any administration.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Yet the IRS says she was "selected". Does Wiki have the link which states Bush himself appointed her? It's interesting because the President doesn't make low level appointments - in any administration.
Like I said.

Typical liberal revisionist history.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Which is relevant to the IRS story...how? She is a lifelong government employee.

Stop and think for a moment. We'll even assume all of your fantasy conspiracies are true.

Imagine it's 2010. Citizens United has just come down and conservatives are beginning to funnel dark money into social welfare groups to skirt campaign finance laws. How exactly does Obama go about getting Lerner to enact his sinister plan to win an election by denying tea party groups 501c4 status? Lerner is a lifetime apolitical government employee who has predominantly served under Republican administrations. Why would Obama target her? How would he even do it. I mean, according to Ockham she was just an internal hire so neither she nor the people who hired her were political appointees. Why would she subject herself to so much hatred and abuse by the right wing media to "defend" obama? If she could provide a bigger fish to Issa's witchhunt, he'd obviously leave her alone. So why doesn't she just testify that people told her to "target tea party groups"

Sorry, but this is kind of an epic fail on the smell test. But please, enlighten me with a plausible scenario.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

I don't have to see it - You posted misinformation. Any point you have is based on false information. All you've got left is moving the goal posts - which you're now attempting. How precious! I think I'm going to debate you more often - it's easy to refute abjectly false statements.

OOOH! Maybe you can argue with me instead of debating.. or perhaps we can just disagree.

I see that my "false information" has proven to be true. I may get a bit snarkey when faced with pigheadedness, but I'm fairly careful to be correct.. mostly because I hate the embarrassment of having to backtrack on something I said. After all, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. Pretending that I'm not just makes me look bad.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Yet the IRS says she was "selected". Does Wiki have the link which states Bush himself appointed her? It's interesting because the President doesn't make low level appointments - in any administration.

I don't know if it was Bush who appointed her but she was appointed during his administrations. I'm on your side not mithros's. I just believe in stating the facts accurately.

It's kind of a moot point as to who appointed her though as it doesn't prove one way or the other whether or not she did anything illegal as director of the tax exempt group at the IRS.

Based on the missing hard drives and the IRS behavior surrounding this issue she appears guilty as hell. However I don't have any faith in our government or legal system that her wrongs or anyone else's misdeeds at the IRS will veer be punished.

Maybe Karma will make an appearance and she will develop stage 4 pancreatic cancer in the next three months. Same goes for that prick koshiken.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Stop and think for a moment. We'll even assume all of your fantasy conspiracies are true.

Imagine it's 2010. Citizens United has just come down and conservatives are beginning to funnel dark money into social welfare groups to skirt campaign finance laws. How exactly does Obama go about getting Lerner to enact his sinister plan to win an election by denying tea party groups 501c4 status? Lerner is a lifetime apolitical government employee who has predominantly served under Republican administrations. Why would Obama target her? How would he even do it. I mean, according to Ockham she was just an internal hire so neither she nor the people who hired her were political appointees. Why would she subject herself to so much hatred and abuse by the right wing media to "defend" obama? If she could provide a bigger fish to Issa's witchhunt, he'd obviously leave her alone. So why doesn't she just testify that people told her to "target tea party groups"

Sorry, but this is kind of an epic fail on the smell test. But please, enlighten me with a plausible scenario.



Blah blah blah....


Where are her f-ing emails?

If you believe it's just a coincidence that they were somehow lost then your are a moron and you should be caned in public.

Lois Lerner is a c-u-n-t in every sense of the word. A guilty c-u-n-t!
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Stop and think for a moment. We'll even assume all of your fantasy conspiracies are true.
Another lie. How can you attempt to have a civil conversation when you consistently lie - there is no conspiracy. There is only your false statements. Let's review them:

*Lerner was appointed by Reagan -false- No appointment was ever made.
*Then she became head of the tax exempt division in 2006 under appointment from Bush - false - Under the Bush Administration Lerner was "selected" to the DEO in the IRS. (IRS.gov - link provided)
*You claimed I invented a label - lie - the term "selected" was used by the IRS themselves (link provided), I invented nothing.
*You claimed the IRS.gov was an article - false - it was an official announcement on the IRS.gov site (link provided)

Imagine it's 2010. Citizens United has just come down and conservatives are beginning to funnel dark money into social welfare groups to skirt campaign finance laws. How exactly does Obama go about getting Lerner to enact his sinister plan to win an election by denying tea party groups 501c4 status? Lerner is a lifetime apolitical government employee who has predominantly served under Republican administrations. Why would Obama target her? How would he even do it. I mean, according to Ockham she was just an internal hire so neither she nor the people who hired her were political appointees. Why would she subject herself to so much hatred and abuse by the right wing media to "defend" obama? If she could provide a bigger fish to Issa's witchhunt, he'd obviously leave her alone. So why doesn't she just testify that people told her to "target tea party groups"
You need to take that into the Conspiracy section as I've already told you.


Sorry, but this is kind of an epic fail on the smell test. But please, enlighten me with a plausible scenario.
Wrong forum. Third time.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

OOOH! Maybe you can argue with me instead of debating.. or perhaps we can just disagree.
Why would I disagree when I've already proven you false multiple times? :lamo

I see that my "false information" has proven to be true. I may get a bit snarkey when faced with pigheadedness, but I'm fairly careful to be correct.. mostly because I hate the embarrassment of having to backtrack on something I said. After all, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. Pretending that I'm not just makes me look bad.
You have provided nothing in your posts that indicate you are careful to be correct - in fact - the direct opposite. You're false information is false and you are wrong and have been wrong. If your posts reflected this carefulness to be correct as you claim, you would have said so in the next reply after post #292. :shrug:

First rule of holes --- do you still want to continue?
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Another lie. How can you attempt to have a civil conversation when you consistently lie - there is no conspiracy. There is only your false statements. Let's review them:

*Lerner was appointed by Reagan -false- No appointment was ever made.
*Then she became head of the tax exempt division in 2006 under appointment from Bush - false - Under the Bush Administration Lerner was "selected" to the DEO in the IRS. (IRS.gov - link provided)
*You claimed I invented a label - lie - the term "selected" was used by the IRS themselves (link provided), I invented nothing.
*You claimed the IRS.gov was an article - false - it was an official announcement on the IRS.gov site (link provided)

You need to take that into the Conspiracy section as I've already told you.


Wrong forum. Third time.

I don't understand why you guys think it's worth your time debating Lerner's past and extrapolating her motives and actions from it.

What is more pressing is what she's actually done in the last few years with her position at the IRS. Why don't you talk about that?

No one gives a **** who appointed her to some position 25 years ago and then to another position 10 years ago.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

I don't understand why you guys think it's worth your time debating Lerner's past and extrapolating her motives and actions from it.
There's no argument - there's me providing the facts and keeping the record straight. Then there's another poster who makes false statements which I'm forced to correct. That's it.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Blah blah blah....


Where are her f-ing emails?

If you believe it's just a coincidence that they were somehow lost then your are a morn and you should be caned in public.

Lois Lerner is a **** in every sense of the word. A guilty ****!
I should be caned in public? Wow... So we're jumping past ad hominem and going right into assault. FYI I'd watch your posts, that's probably over the line. The mods don't really take kindly to even indirect threats of violence and you're pushing to get banned.

I agree that losing government emails is unacceptable. What I find strange is that her computer has any effect on the emails. I mean, government emails are stored in centralized locations which are regularly backed up. Her computer crashing shouldn't have affected anything. Fortunately, there's nothing that can be done to those without leaving a digital footprint. If there was any wrongdoing, we'll find out.

Also, if we're complaining about emails what about the 5 million emails missing during the Bush administration with regard to the firing of the US attorneys? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Another lie. How can you attempt to have a civil conversation when you consistently lie - there is no conspiracy. There is only your false statements. Let's review them:

*Lerner was appointed by Reagan -false- No appointment was ever made.
*Then she became head of the tax exempt division in 2006 under appointment from Bush - false - Under the Bush Administration Lerner was "selected" to the DEO in the IRS. (IRS.gov - link provided)
*You claimed I invented a label - lie - the term "selected" was used by the IRS themselves (link provided), I invented nothing.
*You claimed the IRS.gov was an article - false - it was an official announcement on the IRS.gov site (link provided)

You need to take that into the Conspiracy section as I've already told you.


Wrong forum. Third time.

You're doubling down on the select vs appoint????? WOW.

So I should have apologized to you because I said that Lerner was appointed under Bush. But you corrected me with an article that said SELECTED.

Okay.. I get it.. My bad.. Do not feed the trolls. My bad. Well, consider this your last feeding.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

I should be caned in public? Wow... So we're jumping past ad hominem and going right into assault. FYI I'd watch your posts, that's probably over the line. The mods don't really take kindly to even indirect threats of violence and you're pushing to get banned.

I agree that losing government emails is unacceptable. What I find strange is that her computer has any effect on the emails. I mean, government emails are stored in centralized locations which are regularly backed up. Her computer crashing shouldn't have affected anything. Fortunately, there's nothing that can be done to those without leaving a digital footprint. If there was any wrongdoing, we'll find out.

Also, if we're complaining about emails what about the 5 million emails missing during the Bush administration with regard to the firing of the US attorneys? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I didn't threaten you with violence. i didn't say I was going to cane you. I said anyone dumb enough to believe the IRS story ought to be caned in public. No threat, just an opinion.

But I disagree with you that we will find out what happened to her emails or if we do find out she won't be punished. When's the last time anyone in our government or banking system was actually held accountable for anything they did that was wrong?

If you're looking for a defense of Bush from me don't hold your breath. He wasn't as bad as Obama but he was still pretty bad. I have no respect for either man. In fact the only two politicians that haven't sold there souls IMo are Paul and Kucinich. I wouldn't give two craps if the rest of them dropped dead tomorrow.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

You're doubling down on the select vs appoint????? WOW.

Lois G. Lerner Selected as Director of IRS Exempt Organizations Division

:lamo


So I should have apologized to you because I said that Lerner was appointed under Bush. But you corrected me with an article that said SELECTED.
It's an announcement by the IRS themselves - you know - the people governmental organization that actually employed Lerner.


Okay.. I get it.. My bad.. Do not feed the trolls. My bad. Well, consider this your last feeding.
So now you call me a troll for pointing out your false statements, correcting you, giving you advice, and correcting your misinformation? Any time you'd like actual facts instead of left wing loon blogger lies - you just let me know.
 
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Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

Stop and think for a moment. We'll even assume all of your fantasy conspiracies are true.

Imagine it's 2010. Citizens United has just come down and conservatives are beginning to funnel dark money into social welfare groups to skirt campaign finance laws. How exactly does Obama go about getting Lerner to enact his sinister plan to win an election by denying tea party groups 501c4 status? Lerner is a lifetime apolitical government employee who has predominantly served under Republican administrations. Why would Obama target her? How would he even do it. I mean, according to Ockham she was just an internal hire so neither she nor the people who hired her were political appointees. Why would she subject herself to so much hatred and abuse by the right wing media to "defend" obama? If she could provide a bigger fish to Issa's witchhunt, he'd obviously leave her alone. So why doesn't she just testify that people told her to "target tea party groups"

Sorry, but this is kind of an epic fail on the smell test. But please, enlighten me with a plausible scenario.

I don't have any fantasy conspiracies.

Working in government under previous administrations which were of the different party isn't revelant to anything.

Someone targeted the Tea Party - the group that the Democrats love to attack. Lerner is a lifelong Democrat. I never mentioned anything about her wanting to "defend" Obama or about Obama asking her to help him win an election.

However, unlike you, I think that the government oversteps its bounds and contrary to what you think, I think the Democrats do it just as much as the Republicans do. You have accepted this woman's silence as affirmation that Obama - who you are for whatever reason desperately trying to clear of something he hasn't been accused of by Issa the witch hunter - wasn't involved. I prefer to wait and see what comes out. I am not an Obama bobblehead doll.
 
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