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Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

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Right.

You're still wrong.

But since I'm not going to be your history teacher I suggest you grab a book or two, the google is also nice sometimes.
 
I'm shocked that anyone is actually defending this. It's pure racial discrimination and it's wrong, it's indefensible.
 
I'm shocked that anyone is actually defending this. It's pure racial discrimination and it's wrong, it's indefensible.

How so?

Whites have a history of exploitation in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

It's time for them to get theirs.
 
Right.

You're still wrong.

But since I'm not going to be your history teacher I suggest you grab a book or two, the google is also nice sometimes.

Joseph Stalin said that the Soviets form of socialism was a better form of socialism than Hitlers form of socialism. Was he wrong or right ?

Re: "google"
Since you used a lower case "g" you are not referring to the proper noun Google but the verb google.

There's so much bull **** on the internet, why do you think society is so misinformed today ? The internet has dumbed down America and the world.

Not to many months ago I was listening to some of the people who were with DARPA who created the internet for the U.S. Air Force during the early 70's. They said if they were have known how much damage or dumbing down the internet would have had on society, they would have kept the internet classified.

Well not all of us have been dumbed down, there were some of us who knew on 9-11-12 that Benghazi had nothing to do with a video on the internet.
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How so?

Whites have a history of exploitation in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

It's time for them to get theirs.

So... you are justifying basically stealing land and having an ethnic cleansing of whites in Zimbabwe because some white people decades ago had it as a colony? The wrongs of the past don't justify the wrongs of the present and obviously 2 wrongs don't make a right. What did those individuals do to merit this? Or do they deserve it solely because of their skin color?
 
Joseph Stalin said that the Soviets form of socialism was a better form of socialism than Hitlers form of socialism. Was he wrong or right ?

Re: "google"
Since you used a lower case "g" you are not referring to the proper noun Google but the verb google.

There's so much bull **** on the internet, why do you think society is so misinformed today ? The internet has dumbed down America and the world.

Not to many months ago I was listening to some of the people who were with DARPA who created the internet for the U.S. Air Force during the early 70's. They said if they were have known how much damage or dumbing down the internet would have had on society, they would have kept the internet classified.

Well not all of us have been dumbed down, there were some of us who knew on 9-11-12 that Benghazi had nothing to do with a video on the internet.
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Okay?

German National Socialism is a far superior form of Socialism than non-Socialist/Marxist Stalinism.

Here is why:

Russian incorrectly called "Socialism" focused on "Class" Warfare. Internecine strife inside a nation to combat the Russian rich with the Russian poor.

German National Socialism focused on "National" Warfare. As in every member of a Nation has a duty to the Nation, equally. From the Rich to the Poor. The wars should have been waged against Proleteriat nations and Bourgeoius nations.

Thus, it wasn't a focus of worker vs. owner, but a co-operation of worker and owner vs. Opposing "bourgeious" nations. So German owners, though this could be marked by general German attitudes towards labour relations engendered by Protestantism and so another extent Bismark, were willing to pay their workers more because they Respected them culturally.
 
How so?

Whites have a history of exploitation in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

It's time for them to get theirs.
Fighting racism with racism then? :doh
 
So... you are justifying basically stealing land and having an ethnic cleansing of whites in Zimbabwe because some white people decades ago had it as a colony? The wrongs of the past don't justify the wrongs of the present and obviously 2 wrongs don't make a right. What did those individuals do to merit this? Or do they deserve it solely because of their skin color?

They deserve because of their skin hue and for the sins of their forefathers, though the former has more to do with the later than the later has to do with the former by a Huge margin.
 
Okay?

German National Socialism is a far superior form of Socialism than non-Socialist/Marxist Stalinism.

Here is why:

Russian incorrectly called "Socialism" focused on "Class" Warfare. Internecine strife inside a nation to combat the Russian rich with the Russian poor.

German National Socialism focused on "National" Warfare. As in every member of a Nation has a duty to the Nation, equally. From the Rich to the Poor. The wars should have been waged against Proleteriat nations and Bourgeoius nations.

Thus, it wasn't a focus of worker vs. owner, but a co-operation of worker and owner vs. Opposing "bourgeious" nations. So German owners, though this could be marked by general German attitudes towards labour relations engendered by Protestantism and so another extent Bismark, were willing to pay their workers more because they Respected them culturally.

How about the 100 million civilians who were murdered by communist regimes ? Not counting the civilians killed being caught in the cross fire during war or liberation.
 
How about the 100 million civilians who were murdered by communist regimes ? Not counting the civilians killed being caught in the cross fire during war or liberation.

Again, Marxist-Leninism is not Communism. And so far as I've read on Maoism it isn't either.
 
What, again!?

Supporting minorities at the cost of a majority sounds more of a Russian job. If the reverse were true this could have been more of a USA/NATO job.

I think Mugabe has the liberty to do this after anti apertheid sentiment in the area?
 
Well back during the 1970's today's progressives were hiding behind the liberal label with in the Democrat Party. Back then they praised Mugabe and his communist terrorist just like they praised Nelson Mandela and the communist terrorist organization known as the ANC (African National Council)

Did you seriously just compare Mugabe to Mandela???

Issues. You have them. :cuckoo:
 
One of our 'progressives' favorite dictators, Robert Mugabe, has declared that all White farmers must give up their land and go:

BBC News - Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe tells white farmers 'to go'

One would think he would have learned his lesson since he drove off most of the White farmers years ago. That little incident plunged Zimbabwe into a country that could not feed itself whereas the country had been the 'breadbasket' of Southern Africa for years with productive White farms. Do you think the world community and/or the UN should step in and prevent this ethnic cleansing?:shock::shock:

I think most USA Americans see this from a jaundiced perspective. Right, White, Christians marched in lockstep to dominate Rhodesia. he worm turned and the Native owners regained the power to teke back what had been taken from them. Right, White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them. "Might does not make right." Mugabe is good for Africans, even if he is a turd.
 
Did you seriously just compare Mugabe to Mandela???

Issues. You have them. :cuckoo:

I sure did, both the ANC and UANC were communist terrorist organizations supported by the Soviet Union to wage a war of terror in Africa to spread communism throughout Africa.

Mandella and Mugabe were the best friends Goodyear and Firestone tires companies ever had.
 
Again, Marxist-Leninism is not Communism. And so far as I've read on Maoism it isn't either.


Its a subtle and unimportant distinction either way.

As ideologies go, they're both a failure.
 
I think most USA Americans see this from a jaundiced perspective. Right, White, Christians marched in lockstep to dominate Rhodesia. he worm turned and the Native owners regained the power to teke back what had been taken from them. Right, White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them. "Might does not make right." Mugabe is good for Africans, even if he is a turd.



Lol !

NO, he's NOT " good for Africans ".

He's exploiting Africans while he drives off wealth and real progress.
 
I think most USA Americans see this from a jaundiced perspective. Right, White, Christians marched in lockstep to dominate Rhodesia. he worm turned and the Native owners regained the power to teke back what had been taken from them. Right, White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them. "Might does not make right."
Mugabe is good for Africans, even if he is a turd.




Mugabe was and is, like a lot of politicians,good for those who support him.Eventually he will be gone, the man's 90-years old.

Hitler was good for those who supported him and his ideas, for most people on this planet he was very bad, where's he and his ideas now?




"All of the problems that we face in the USA today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."
~ Pat Paulsen
 
Again, Marxist-Leninism is not Communism. And so far as I've read on Maoism it isn't either.

No, Marxist-Leninism is just what communism always becomes. The "melting away of the state" just never happens. After a couple of decades it becomes clear that what you have is an authoritarian state along the lines of the Asian Mode of Production.

The State becomes a class interest and begins funneling wealth and other resources to its own benefit and the detriment of everyone else.

No matter which leftist state you want to consider it's always the same. The ruling functionaries have all the wealth, housing, services and resources. Everyone else waits in lines for bread.

Any time the left takes power this is what happens once democracy ends.

And arm chair communists in America want to try to disown all this, but they can't if they are honest.
 
I think most USA Americans see this from a jaundiced perspective. Right, White, Christians marched in lockstep to dominate Rhodesia. he worm turned and the Native owners regained the power to teke back what had been taken from them. Right, White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them. "Might does not make right." Mugabe is good for Africans, even if he is a turd.

Good for Africans in his own tribe. Not good for any other Africans, who he slaughtered in large numbers.

Then he chased all the white farmers away, and, despite the success of some small farmers, everyone starved. Except Mugabe and his cronies. Over all his policies have resulted in unemployment, poverty, and hunger.

Western liberal support for Mugabe was exemplified by the numerous honorary degrees he received from academic institutions all over the world in the 1980s only to be rescinded as the events of the next century unfolded.

Zimbabwe has gone from what was initially a state of hope to one of desolation.
 
No, Marxist-Leninism is just what communism always becomes. The "melting away of the state" just never happens. After a couple of decades it becomes clear that what you have is an authoritarian state along the lines of the Asian Mode of Production.

The State becomes a class interest and begins funneling wealth and other resources to its own benefit and the detriment of everyone else.

No matter which leftist state you want to consider it's always the same. The ruling functionaries have all the wealth, housing, services and resources. Everyone else waits in lines for bread.

Any time the left takes power this is what happens once democracy ends.

And arm chair communists in America want to try to disown all this, but they can't if they are honest.

Scandinavia x.x
 
Its a subtle and unimportant distinction either way.

As ideologies go, they're both a failure.

Ah, cool.

Neither of them are real Socialism nor Orthodox Marxism.
 
Sorry, but democracy is not quite over in Scandinavia.

Exactly. It's Socialist, an in that sense probably the closest to Orthodox Marxism there is in the world currently.
 
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