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Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

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Mason66 said:
There is no difference.

If you look like a troublemaker, you will be hassled.

You are saying you are hassled just because you are latino. Why don't you tell us all the other reasons you have been hassled.
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Yeah, people--regardless of race--don't get picked on by the cops because they're behaving and minding their own business...LOL!!!
 
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apdst said:
Yeah, people--regardless of race--don't get picked on by the cops because they're behaving and minding their own business...LOL!!!
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I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not.
 
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apdst said:
Sometimes there's an excuse for harsh treatment of a subject.
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There are (legitimate) excuses for continuing to beat or harm someone after they stop resisting?

Let's hear some.
 
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apdst said:
This may be a case of assault on an officer.
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Does that mean the officer is allowed to continue beating on someone if they are no longer resisting?
 
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apdst said:
There's no way you can say that with any certainty, based on a video that's only a few seconds long.
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What are circumstances that justify continued physical force when the threat has stopped?
 
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Lursa said:
What are circumstances that justify continued physical force when the threat has stopped?
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I didn't get it at first, but like everyone else pretty much told me: "It's apdst, and like most conservatives, facts don't matter. Just his PoV will be correct no matter what."
 
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Rhiannon said:
It was actually claimed by those responsible that the officer attacked this woman for her safety. And to think people believe that nonsense.
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That isn't exactly what was claimed. She was initially being physically restrained for not only her safety, but the safety of those others driving on the freeway. She was walking on the side of the freeway and had already crossed lines of traffic on the onramp to reach the freeway shoulder, where she obviously appeared to plan to walk on, if not to actually go onto the freeway itself. The officer grabbed her to keep her off the freeway. She started fighting back.

I can't say whether the punching was excessive or not, especially given that she received no injuries from them, according to the hospital report, so apparently the officer either a) didn't get many if any to actually connect or b) he was pulling those punches to a high degree. But she was resisting him, even after the punches stopped. That isn't necessarily enough to justify the amount of punches, but it is a possible reason for them.
 
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roguenuke said:
I can't say whether the punching was excessive or not, especially given that she received no injuries from them, according to the hospital report, so apparently the officer either a) didn't get many if any to actually connect or b) he was pulling those punches to a high degree. But she was resisting him, even after the punches stopped. That isn't necessarily enough to justify the amount of punches, but it is a possible reason for them.
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Please change your lean to conservative.

I guess as long as a suspect doesn't receive any long-term damage, it doesn't matter how much the cops beat someone. :roll:
 
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Texmex said:
Please change your lean to conservative.

I guess as long as a suspect doesn't receive any long-term damage, it doesn't matter how much the cops beat someone. :roll:
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It matters in the amount of force that can be shown to have been used, and whether that was too much. Looks can be deceiving.

And the lean thing is funny since it shows how many don't understand that a person can have different views and leans on different issues. It wasn't that long ago that people were questioning why I had my lean as "slightly conservative" because they didn't feel I was conservative enough to claim even that.
 
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Buddha C said:
We should line up all the police officers, shoot them and start from scratch.

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You sound like me ( as a child)
In a way, I will come to the defense of the CHP, but NOT that individual. And not to the aid of our sensational based media . Where we need work is in the hiring / screening process .He should have been filtered out, but was not.
WHY ?
 
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roguenuke said:
It matters in the amount of force that can be shown to have been used, and whether that was too much. Looks can be deceiving.

And the lean thing is funny since it shows how many don't understand that a person can have different views and leans on different issues. It wasn't that long ago that people were questioning why I had my lean as "slightly conservative" because they didn't feel I was conservative enough to claim even that.
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Only someone eat up with conservativism would see this in any light except a police beating a suspect.
 
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Texmex said:
Only someone eat up with conservativism would see this in any light except a police beating a suspect.
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Then you don't know me well.

This is a "shocks the public consciousness" scenario, where many aren't even looking at the circumstances of what transpired, both before and after, and going off of a video of the situation only.

If he would have only thrown one or two punches, would that have been acceptable for subduing this suspect?
 
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roguenuke said:
Then you don't know me well.

This is a "shocks the public consciousness" scenario, where many aren't even looking at the circumstances of what transpired, both before and after, and going off of a video of the situation only.

If he would have only thrown one or two punches, would that have been acceptable for subduing this suspect?
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No, it wouldn't be alright. The policeman's job is to restrain. If he had simply held the woman for a few seconds, backup was there to help.

Again, please change your lean.
 
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Texmex said:
No, it wouldn't be alright. The policeman's job is to restrain. If he had simply held the woman for a few seconds, backup was there to help.

Again, please change your lean.
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Backup wasn't there to help til after. If it was there when it happened, it probably wouldn't have happened. The policeman's job is to stop the threat at the lowest level of force necessary for the situation, then restrain. The threat must be stopped first, even if the threat is to the person being stopped.
 
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earthworm said:
You sound like me ( as a child)
In a way, I will come to the defense of the CHP, but NOT that individual. And not to the aid of our sensational based media . Where we need work is in the hiring / screening process .He should have been filtered out, but was not.
WHY ?
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I certainly believe that a portion we need to work on, but not all alone.
 
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Texmex said:
No, it wouldn't be alright. The policeman's job is to restrain. If he had simply held the woman for a few seconds, backup was there to help.

Again, please change your lean.
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I will wait till the investigation is done and made available.
Was it excessive force, possible.
Ever tried to restrain someone who does not want to be restrained?

Your request for someone to change their Lean has nothing to do with the OP.
Would you take your own request and (change your lean from undisclosed to something more liberal):mrgreen:
 
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apdst said:
This could have been a confrontation that, for whatever reason, got very emotional. By walking off the way she did, she was resisting. She was obviously fighting back when he took her down. She might have assaulted him, before she started walking off. How do we know either way?

We only saw a few seconds of what could have been going on for several minutes. A few seconds isn't enough to say for sure what went down. Have we even heard his side of the story, yet? Or are we just going to go on a few seconds of video?
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That would be similar to how the Rodney King video played on TV only showed the cops beating him.... not the long period beforehand where he was beating the cops and throwing them around like bowling pins. Changes the perspective a bit.
 
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Lursa said:
What are circumstances that justify continued physical force when the threat has stopped?
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How do you know the threat was gone?
 
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Texmex said:
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I believe this officer went way overboard.
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I watched the video, finally (had trouble getting it to load).


She was resisting in some manner... I saw her hands come up, looked like she was trying to push him off.


He did indeed punch the **** out of her... hard to justify in an absence of weapons or more effective resistance than appeared to be shown... but like others I wonder what exactly happened before the vid starts.
 
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apdst said:
How do you know the threat was gone?
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Do you give the same "innocent until proven guilty" consideration to all, or just the police?


Goshin said:
I watched the video, finally (had trouble getting it to load).

She was resisting in some manner... I saw her hands come up, looked like she was trying to push him off.

He did indeed punch the **** out of her... hard to justify in an absence of weapons or more effective resistance than appeared to be shown... but like others I wonder what exactly happened before the vid starts.
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Isn't that a normal human reaction? *Somebody's hitting me, I want them to stop*

Are you really supposed to just lie there and take it passively?

What is the difference between actively resisting and naturally protecting oneself?
 
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A while back here at DP there was this video posted where a prison guard subdued an attacking inmate with a body slam that appeared to render the inmate unconscious.
He then picked up the limp person and slammed him again breaking his neck and damaging his brain eventually killing him. That guard was well within protocol with the first slam ... but the second slam earned him a conviction of manslaughter and he now is serving time in the same prison where he used to work.

Just as in this case I believe this cop may well have had justification in subduing the person his continued beating became punitive and vengeful.
He went about five punches too far and should be convicted of aggravated assault.
Law enforcement Officers need to learn that just as there is a time to turn on the violence ... learning the time to turn it off is maybe even more important
 
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radcen said:
Do you give the same "innocent until proven guilty" consideration to all, or just the police?



Isn't that a normal human reaction? *Somebody's hitting me, I want them to stop*

Are you really supposed to just lie there and take it passively?

What is the difference between actively resisting and naturally protecting oneself?
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No, I mean it looked like she was struggling before he punched her. It's hard to say for sure, the video quality isn't good.

I'm not saying it was justified; as I said in my previous post, it looks excessive based on information presently available.


Frankly I'm tempted to say something like "roid rage"...
 
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radcen said:
Do you give the same "innocent until proven guilty" consideration to all, or just the police?



Isn't that a normal human reaction? *Somebody's hitting me, I want them to stop*

Are you really supposed to just lie there and take it passively?

What is the difference between actively resisting and naturally protecting oneself?
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You ever had your ass kicked by a cop?
 
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Goshin said:
I watched the video, finally (had trouble getting it to load).


She was resisting in some manner... I saw her hands come up, looked like she was trying to push him off.


He did indeed punch the **** out of her... hard to justify in an absence of weapons or more effective resistance than appeared to be shown... but like others I wonder what exactly happened before the vid starts.
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When you punch someone repeatedly, they tend to react by trying to block your punches. Of course, this is resistance, which justifies more punching.
 
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apdst said:
You ever had your ass kicked by a cop?
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When that happens, am I supposed to override my natural instinct to protect my face and let the cop punch it until he gets bored?

Honestly I'm not sure it's physically possible to leave your arms at your sides in that situation.
 
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