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Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

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apdst said:
What if she beat the **** out of a 90 y/o woman and stole her money? Would she deserve to get her ass whipped? Or, what if she was turning out little girls to be prostitutes?
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The police officer's job is to arrest and deliver the suspect to the jail. He is not the one who gets to meet out justice as he sees fit. I'm surprised you don't understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
 
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Texmex said:
The police officer's job is to arrest and deliver the suspect to the jail. He is not the one who gets to meet out justice as he sees fit. I'm surprised you don't understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Innocent until proven guilty for the police... very noble, ya know... but innocent until proven only as a one-way street.
 
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Texmex said:
The police officer's job is to arrest and deliver the suspect to the jail. He is not the one who gets to meet out justice as he sees fit. I'm surprised you don't understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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An officer has responsibility to subdue an assailant in the interest of his and the public's safety. I'm NOT surprised that you don't understand that concept.
 
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apdst said:
An officer has responsibility to subdue an assailant in the interest of his and the public's safety. I'm NOT surprised that you don't understand that concept.
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Unnecessary face beating = public safety

Riiiiiggghhhtttt
 
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radcen said:
Agreed, but... it is not unreasonable to expect police to be better than average.



Like the other person said, you're reaching. You're hoping because you want the police to be the good guys.
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What I'm doing is NOT condemning the officer without seeing the big picture. You know..."innocent until proven guilty" and all that.
 
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Buddha C said:
Unnecessary face beating = public safety

Riiiiiggghhhtttt
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How do you know it doesn't? Do you know something the rest of us don't? Please, do tell!
 
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Buddha C said:
Unnecessary face beating = public safety

Riiiiiggghhhtttt
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This cop could have pulled out his service revolver and shot the woman 15 times and apdst would find a way to justify the shooting.
 
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VanceMack said:
And in one sentence you prove yourself more despicable than the cop in the video.
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It's a good thing I can't ruin a mass of people's lives then, isn't it?

But yea, I'm "despicable" for pointing out truth.

Wo is me :roll:
 
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Buddha C said:
What? Do you mean most are good? In my own personal Latino experience most of em are pieces of ****. Are you white per chance or have some statistic? Just wondering, personal experience can be misleading.
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I'm black - and yeah, I'd say you went overboard with killing all cops because of this. There are other ways to create change that don't involve massacres. I can think of a few. Like... you know... firing police officers who abuse citizens.
 
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Hatuey said:
I'm black - and yeah, I'd say you went overboard with killing all cops because of this. There are other ways to create change that don't involve massacres. I can think of a few. Like... you know... firing police officers who abuse citizens.
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Pfft.

If you don't start low, how do you expect to get a good bargain?
 
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Buddha C said:
It's a good thing I can't ruin a mass of people's lives then, isn't it?

But yea, I'm "despicable" for pointing out truth.

Wo is me :roll:
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Its 'woe', and no...you arent despicable for pointing out the 'truth', you are despicable because you are a bigot and advocate murder.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its 'woe', and no...you arent despicable for pointing out the 'truth', you are despicable because you are a bigot and advocate murder.
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Well, at least you call me despicable for the Right reasons :)
 
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Buddha C said:
Pfft.

If you don't start low, how do you expect to get a good bargain?
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Hm - you know. There is a poster on this forum who goes around saying the most outrageous things about black people/minorities/women/leftists and then deflects any criticism with nonsensical red herrings or claiming that they're black and those who criticize them are doing so because that poster claims to be black. You remind me a lot of that person. The fact that you automatically went for the supposedly argument killing question of "Are you white?" shows a lot. People don't normally mention their heritage to strengthen a point. It can be mentioned within a post but to use it as a weight of some sort for an argument is kind of indicative that the poster has ulterior motives behind the statement. However, I have to warn you. This is a forum where people don't really care what ethnicity you belong to. Most aren't racists and those that are get pounded for their views on a regular basis.

Going back to your post: What the blue **** is that post supposed to mean? There is absolutely nothing logical about starting off a discussion on what should be done about abusive cops with the suggestion of killing all cops. That you don't see that allows for two possibilities:

1) You are either serious in your view. In that case: I would warn you that you should really watch what you say concerning massacres on this forum. We don't take too kindly to that sort of talk around here.
2) You are not what you claim to be at all and are seeking to portray leftists in a bad light. In that case: You are doing a terrible job and the act is pretty see through.
3) You are being facetious and don't honestly believe the solution is killing all cops. In that case: Tone down the sarcasm. It can be misinterpreted.

Whichever of those three possibilities you're aiming for, I suggest you try an approach that doesn't give the impression that your ideological beliefs are certifiably insane.
 
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Hatuey said:
Hm - you know. There is a poster on this forum who goes around saying the most outrageous things about black people/minorities/women/leftists and then deflects any criticism with nonsensical red herrings or claiming that they're black and those who criticize them are doing so because that poster claims to be black. You remind me a lot of that person. The fact that you automatically went for the supposedly argument killing question of "Are you white?" shows a lot. People don't normally mention their heritage to strengthen a point. It can be mentioned within a post but to use it as a weight of some sort for an argument is kind of indicative that the poster has ulterior motives behind the statement. However, I have to warn you. This is a forum where people don't really care what ethnicity you're from. Most aren't racists and those that are get pounded for their views on a regular basis.

Going back to your post: What the blue **** is that post supposed to mean? There is absolutely nothing logical about starting off a discussion on what should be done about abusive cops with the suggestion of killing all cops. That you don't see that allows for two possibilities for me:

-snipping irrelevance-
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It's surprising to me that you can't understand that racist police would treat different *races* differently.

I mean, if you're white and the police are white and racist... How is it in any bloody way surprising that that would affect your experiences with them?

I mean really. :shock:
 
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The Mark said:
That was kinda my point, actually.

That said, it's highly situational - some cities will have mostly good police forces, others a more even distribution, and some few will be mostly bad.

Part of that is due to leadership, of course.
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Having just relocated to the Pacific Northwest from the Deep South, I have to say I agree.

In my (granted -- limited!) experience, there is a huge difference in the attitudes, mannerisms, etc. As well as a difference in how they treat the public in general...

Location, location, location...

Of course, that's anecdotal evidence on my part. I fully own my bias. ;)
 
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apdst said:
An officer has responsibility to subdue an assailant in the interest of his and the public's safety. I'm NOT surprised that you don't understand that concept.
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From what I saw, the public's "interest" in safety, and the officer "protecting" that interest was a non-issue once she was on the ground in a defensive posture. I don't know what came before. But he clearly didn't have to use force to that degree to "protect" anything.

That's a crock of !@*#.
 
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Buddha C said:
It's surprising to me that you can't understand that racist police would treat different *races* differently.
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Actually, I fully understand that. I had demonstrated that in this forum to the chagrin of other posters 6 years before you showed up. However, my solution has been to fire these cops, put them through trial, create a list where they are banned from applying for LEO jobs and pretty much all means that don't include killing all cops.

I mean, if you're white and the police are white and racist... How is it in any bloody way surprising that that would affect your experiences with them?
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Hm, I thought you were Latino. Seems awkward for a Latino from Jersey to use the bolded type of phrasing but anyways, more holes in the story. As far as your post goes: those two sentences don't make any sense together or alone. Police officers can be white and pretty decent people. We have quite a few police officers/former LEOs who are generally nice people and attack racism any chance they see it on the forum. My experience with LAPD has been that the most racist cops tend to be black. A cops race doesn't affect my experience with them anymore than the color of their eyes. I could meet a racist black/white cop one day and then a nice black/white cop the next. It all depends on the personality of the LEO. Not their race.
 
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Hatuey said:
Actually, I fully understand that. I had demonstrated that in this forum to the chagrin of other posters 6 years before you showed up. However, my solution has been to fire these cops, put them through trial, create a list where they are banned from applying for LEO jobs and pretty much all means that don't include killing all cops.



Hm, I thought you were Latino. Seems awkward for a Latino from Jersey to use the bolded type of phrasing but anyways, more holes in the story. As far as your post goes: those two sentences don't make any sense together or alone. Police officers can be white and pretty decent people. We have quite a few police officers/former LEOs who are generally nice people and attack racism any chance they see it on the forum. My experience with LAPD has been that the most racist cops tend to be black. A cops race doesn't affect my experience with them anymore than the color of their eyes. I could meet a racist black/white cop one day and then a nice black/white cop the next. It all depends on the personality of the LEO. Not their race.
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"Actually, I fully understand that. I had demonstrated that in this forum to the chagrin of other posters 6 years before you showed up. However, my solution has been to fire these cops, put them through trial, create a list where they are banned from applying for LEO jobs and pretty much all means that don't include killing all cops. "

See, that's a compromise I'm willing to make.

I believe in jail time for negatively impacting the social good, i.e. the public's opinion of Law Enforcement at large.

"Hm, I thought you were Latino. Seems awkward for a Latino from Jersey to use the bolded type of phrasing but anyways, more holes in the story."

The 1st amendment is a bitch, idn't it?

But maybe you should try not reading too much into little, stupid things. :doh

"As far as your post goes: those two sentences don't make any sense together or alone. Police officers can be white and pretty decent people."

I know. I'm talking Averages.

"We have quite a few police officers/former LEOs who are generally nice people and attack racism any chance they see it on the forum. My experience with LAPD has been that the most racist cops tend to be black."

Well. I can't saying anything about the LAPD, besides the stuff I've seen on the news about them beating the **** out of black and Latino kids. But again, I don't care about the Person, I care about the Average of the Institution itself.

"A cops race doesn't affect my experience with them anymore than the color of their eyes."

And? I'm talking about how a police officer's racism affects those subject to it and their powers.

"I could meet a racist black/white cop one day and then a nice black/white cop the next. It all depends on the personality of the LEO. Not their race."

Again, I'm speaking on Averages.
 
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Wiggen said:
Just wait - there will be people on this forum rushing to the defense of this thug. Count on it.
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Well - a part of me sees this and wonders how much of the 'outrage' is only became she's female.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Well - a part of me sees this and wonders how much of the 'outrage' is only became she's female.
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Call me Chauvinist, but I think women should be treated differently than males.
 
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Buddha C said:
Call me Chauvinist, but I think women should be treated differently than males.
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Well call me an idiot - but I don't think anyone needs to get punched in the face 10 times for any reason - male or female.

:shrug:
 
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In all fairness, I'm lily-white Irish, and there's no mistaking it. I have dealt with some real a$$hats...

Unfortunately, I think the degree of "a$$hatness" one encounters has more to do with geography, and less to do with race. Perhaps there's a correlation, though...

Just my :twocents:
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Well call me an idiot - but I don't think anyone needs to get punched in the face 10 times for any reason - male or female.

:shrug:
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Agreed.

But the fact that it was a woman makes it all the more worse.

Even if it's just because of how Obvious the physical differential is in regards to Necessary Force.

But in my opinion the fact that she's a female Does make it all the more worse.

I come from a Beautiful Land where Machismo rejected Female enlistment and the women rose up and argued for the Right to fight against the American backed Terrorists. Doesn't mean I enjoy seeing outsiders force our women to join us in combat, but it does garner a respect that I cannot nor will not refute.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Well - a part of me sees this and wonders how much of the 'outrage' is only became she's female.
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I can see that.

My outrage came when she *clearly* was covering her face in a defensive posture, and not a threat.

How much latitude are we supposed to give cops, anyway?
 
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