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Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

how pissed would you be if the cop didn't do everything necessary to stop your crazy ass mother from getting killed in traffic or causing a wreck that killed others? Would we be talking about lawsuits for a cop that didn't do all he could do to restrain a woman walking into traffic on the freeway and evading arrest?
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It's staggering how some people try to read between the lines..../boggle

Where did I say I wanted the cop to let that woman do whatever she wanted??? Where???

We didn't see a progression of force, we saw the officer resort to overwhelming force right from the start. Once she was on the ground and he was on top of her...BAM that's it.... He got her down w/o a tazer, without punching her in the face, he should have the requisite training to maintain control of a 51 year old woman.

Why would anything beyond physical force applied with his own hands be necessary to subdue and restrain her without causing any (or very little) physical injury? He wasen't at all concerned for her saftey. He was angry that she wasn't listening to him. The facial beating proves it.
 
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Jerry said:
The reason given wasn't 'privacy', but 'security'.
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Just about anything can be justified in the name of "security"....Where does that end? This isn't the military we're talking about. This is the police.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
I wish more would explain as you have the situation of police officers. I generally ascribe it to the Law Enforcement mentality vs. Peace Officer mentality which are two different and competing mentalities. The law enforcement mentality is actively looking for trouble, looking for law breakers keeping the peace is tertiary. The peace officer mentality is looking to diffuse or resolve trouble and generally keep the peace, enforcing the law is tertiary. So far that I can see in the urban and suburban areas anyhow the law enforcement mentality seems to predominate, while the peace officer mentality predominates the more rural areas though this is becoming less so over time it seems to me.
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This would correlate nicely with local gun laws of those respective areas. 'Law enforcement' want citizens disarmed and docile, while 'peace officers' live and let live.
 
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Jerry said:
Do we know she sustained any injury at all yet?
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Ok, we're done....You've just crossed a line of stupidity I'm not willing to follow.
 
csbrown28 said:
We didn't see a progression of force....
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We didn't see the entire incident start to finish, either, and so we can't determine if progression of force was followed. You cannot rule out the possibility that other means were tried and failed, and when the cop caught back up with her he simply bypassed what had already failed; that bypass being justified by the imminent danger of the busy freeway.
 
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Jerry said:
The reason given wasn't 'privacy', but 'security'.
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There are NO security concerns the CHP has, that the public should not have full access to video recorded on duty with the sole exception I noted earlier, which is active ongoing CURRENT undercover investigations. ALL video are pubic record and should be treated accordingly, and if they are not released during an ongoing investigation must and ought to be released once said case has either been adjudicated or dropped or by court order.
 
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csbrown28 said:
Ok, we're done....You've just crossed a line of stupidity I'm not willing to follow.
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I just did a search for updates on this story, nothing about GREAT-grandma (at 51!) being injured. I have to wonder why the media isn't advertising her injuries to bolster her poster-child victim mentality, and the media usually jumps at that information, so it's suspect.
 
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Am I the only one who noticed no one coming to this woman's aid? It's a bad scene, we all agree on that, big bad cop on top of a old woman, apparently beating the crap out of her...and no one pulls the cop off.

Is it just me or do these things happen less often in states with loose gun laws?
 
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Texmex said:
Sorry, not good enough. You are either able to do your job correctly or you should find another line of work. I was a machinist most of my life. If the boss assigned me to do some machining on a part that cost $30,000. For me to make a mistake and expect him to overlook it would have been ridiculous.

It was understood, if I machined the part, I was responsible for the result. Saying I'm sorry would not have been good enough for me not to face some type of disciplinary action, up to and including termination.
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I am in no way saying that the officer shouldn't be scrutinized, and all appropriate measures be taken. I am simply saying that Law Enforcement is no way like machining anything. Dealing with the public is maddening and anyone that has to do it for any extended period of time realizes pretty quick just how manipulating, selfish, ignorant, detestable, arrogant, dumb, and willing to push the limits the public in general are.

Because this officer may have crossed a line, and again, we don't see the whole incident in context here, but just because it looks like he lost it, does in no way mean that this is how "cops" are, or that every situation is the same. That's all I am saying. If the internal investigation shows that he acted inappropriately and is up for disciplinary action as I am sure he will be, up to, and including termination from the force then so be it..But, all of us should be careful in speculating motives, or even what we saw there without the benefit of context.
 
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Jerry said:
Am I the only one who noticed no one coming to this woman's aid? It's a bad scene, we all agree on that, big bad cop on top of a old woman, apparently beating the crap out of her...and no one pulls the cop off.

Is it just me or do these things happen less often in states with loose gun laws?
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Lots of "don't want to get involved" mentality...
 
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Jerry said:
Am I the only one who noticed no one coming to this woman's aid? It's a bad scene, we all agree on that, big bad cop on top of a old woman, apparently beating the crap out of her...and no one pulls the cop off.

Is it just me or do these things happen less often in states with loose gun laws?
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Are you serious? You dont interfere with the cops....you'll get arrested or even shot. I'd be filming and if there was real danger maintain my distance and tell THEM I was calling 911.
 
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poweRob said:
You have a fundamental flaw in understanding what a justice system is for and what it does. Beating people up isn't a part of that no matter the situation. Defending one's self is about as close as one can come. Sitting on someone and punching them in the face is not defending one's self.
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An officer has the right to protect himself. If he believed she was resisting and creating a hazard to his safety, then he was just doing his job.

Why do Libbos ALWAYS root for the bad guys?
 
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apdst said:
An officer has the right to protect himself. If he believed she was resisting and creating a hazard to his safety, then he was just doing his job.

Why do Libbos ALWAYS root for the bad guys?
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Why do conservatives... at least extreme conservatives... have such a hard time discerning the bad guys from the good guys? Probably because they'd rather keep to what they want to believe rather than open their eyes.

Hint: Team affiliation is not always an indicator.

Disclaimer: General comment, not necessarily directed at you or this specific topic, but if the shoe fits...
 
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apdst said:
An officer has the right to protect himself. If he believed she was resisting and creating a hazard to his safety, then he was just doing his job.

Why do Libbos ALWAYS root for the bad guys?
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You start in in this thread saying that there wasn't enough video to draw a conclusion now you are all in as if you had enough video to draw a conclusion... Why do Cons ALWAYS root for the authority?
 
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apdst said:
An officer has the right to protect himself. If he believed she was resisting and creating a hazard to his safety, then he was just doing his job.

Why do Libbos ALWAYS root for the bad guys?
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You start in in this thread saying that there wasn't enough video to draw a conclusion now you are all in as if you had enough video to draw a conclusion... Why do Cons ALWAYS root for the authoritarianism?
 
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poweRob said:
...Why do Cons ALWAYS root for the authoritarianism?
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They don't.

Your statement is way to general by placing all Cons in the same group.
 
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apdst said:
What happened before the video started? Do we know?
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Does it matter?

I mean, it's not like he's defending himself here.
 
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mike2810 said:
They don't.

Your statement is way to general by placing all Cons in the same group.
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I don't actually think that. Just read the post I quoted and you'll understand why I did that ridiculous extrapolation.
 
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apdst said:
An officer has the right to protect himself. If he believed she was resisting and creating a hazard to his safety, then he was just doing his job.

Why do Libbos ALWAYS root for the bad guys?
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Ya know, this could be the answer to my question to you that you dodged and refused to answer... no, you do NOT give equal consideration to all sides.
 
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Lursa said:
You dont interfere with the cops....
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I guess that's why Americans tolerated Japaneses being hauled off to concentration camps: we don't actually want to resist a tyrannical government, we just like to shoot guns and say we do, but when it gets real we won't actually do anything.
 
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Jerry said:
I guess that's why Americans tolerated Japaneses being hauled off to concentration camps: we don't actually want to resist a tyrannical government, we just like to shoot guns and say we do, but when it gets real we won't actually do anything.
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The self-righteousness is misplaced.

Unless there is an imminent threat of death, you follow the proper legal channels. THat is likely to be more effective in getting justice and change. You getting shot solves nothing.
 
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Lursa said:
The self-righteousness is misplaced.

Unless there is an imminent threat of death, you follow the proper legal channels. THat is likely to be more effective in getting justice and change. You getting shot solves nothing.
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Ahh, so this old lady being beaten by a big cop doesn't qualify as "imminent threat of death", but replace the old lady with a fat neighborhood watch drop-out and the replace the big cop with a 17-year-old admiiture mma fighter and now killing the assailant is justified.

Well I guess if the situation wasn't so bad I guess I don't see what all the ex-post-facto feigned outrage is about.
 
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radcen said:
Ya know, this could be the answer to my question to you that you dodged and refused to answer... no, you do NOT give equal consideration to all sides.
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I consider that we don't all the information and that's why I'm not going to condemn the officer's actions.
 
poweRob said:
You start in in this thread saying that there wasn't enough video to draw a conclusion now you are all in as if you had enough video to draw a conclusion... Why do Cons ALWAYS root for the authoritarianism?
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Completely inaccurate.

Most want smaller government, less control, more personal freedom, and abhor the authoritative nature of government (this especially includes law enforcement).
 
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