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Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

Refugees, may have lost their older companion during the trip. Human trafficking is also a huge issue, which many here ignore. And yes some disgusting people may try to traffic an infant.

So you think the thousands of unaccompanied minors pouring into our country jus 'lost their older companion' or that they are being 'trafficked?' You are so out of touch with reality, you simply cannot add anything to this discussion.
 
I was being flippant, as noted in the first sentence of my post. The point being, if you advertise a goodie, people without many or any goodies are going too want to try to get some. It's simply human nature.

As I understand it, and there's been some talk about NAFTA, these are not Mexicans making their way north because NAFTA has actually benefited Mexico and helped retain workers in that country. The problem is with non-NAFTA or free trade countries in Central America, south of Mexico, with no economy and no hope and the Mexican authorities seem to shuffle these people right through Mexico and on to America.

As a result, it may be of benefit to America to start pumping more foreign relief money and economic benefit into these poor Central American countries and spend less in areas like the Middle East and South East Asia, if only as a means to stem the invasion from the south.

Really. LOL. Our budget is already so overburdened with debt that we can't borrow more. China and the banks already own us. So you propose that we borrow more to provide 'relief' money? A better suggestion would be to escort every bus load across the US up to Canada. There. Problem solved with just the cost of a little gas.
 
Gosh, one would think they really do have crystal balls in D.C....

If they're using crystal balls, I think they need to get to a repair shop ASAP! :lol: Maybe they could check the same place BHO used to get his laser looked at - the one he used to focus on jobs in 2010, 2011, 2012 etc.

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:
 
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I have no idea, you'd have to ask Pelosi. I think you have me wrong here. I firmly believe that a sovereign nation the right to control their of system of immigration, the US especially. It is my opinion, that our government, in complete collusion with commerce (corporations, businesses, et al) have slowly been allowing Mexicans, in particular, to surreptitiously enter the US since the 50's, as a cheap and exploitable labor commodity. It has only been in this last decade or so that the citizens finally started to notice it and by then, it was too late.

I'm a stoic pragmatist. I realize what the government and corporations did. Once that cheap labor no longer was cheap, those two entities had clandestinely started to strip our industries and jobs overseas where it was even cheaper and more profitable. I see people becoming inhuman animals fighting over what pitifully few well paying middle class jobs exist, like dogs over a bone. The Mexicans did not create this situation, and I have nothing but contempt for the stupid and foolish people who heap hate and abuse on them while ignorantly and willfully ignoring the real cause of our plight.....the corporations. I'm also a humanist and will always champion the natural rights of any flesh and blood individual over any corporation or business.

Getting back to my point, being a pragmatist means that we cannot stop this influx at the border and spending money on it is useless. The only practical solution at this point is immigration reform. Those who oppose it are up against both political parties who salivate over the additional votes and a corporate mindset that is already profiting to the tune of billions of dollars by catering to the illegal market.

Know who your true enemy is.

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Thanks for the clarification. There are many opinions on the matter. Yours is one, and I reject it. Know the truth, and the enemy behind it.
 
So you think the thousands of unaccompanied minors pouring into our country jus 'lost their older companion' or that they are being 'trafficked?' You are so out of touch with reality, you simply cannot add anything to this discussion.

No I don't - YOU are the one who asked why a child in diapers would come here unaccompanied and if they would have a work visa and I gave you a couple answers how a baby in diapers would end up here unaccompanied. If you have to ask, it seems you are out of touch with reality on how and why they ended up here.
 
If they're using crystal balls, I think they need to get to a repair shop ASAP! :lol: Maybe they could check the same place BHO used to get his laser looked at - the one he used to focus on jobs in 2010, 2011, 2012 etc.

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Hi Pol.

You know, you raise a very good point. With such laser like clairvoyance on the issue of unescorted alien children, one would think the jobs thing would be a slam dunk.

With such audacity, maybe those crystal balls are made from something else?
 
We have a global workforce, until of course, we don't.
 
Thanks for the clarification. There are many opinions on the matter. Yours is one, and I reject it. Know the truth, and the enemy behind it.
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If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
 
THank you. Some of that is helpful. Saying that 59% of AMericans 'think' anything isnt proof of anything tho, lol, except sometimes how ignorant the people in this country can be.

I am nearly 100% against illegal immigration. However I prefer to see the FACTS rather than the partisan blame crap. Bush opened the door to amnesty, not Obama. But it's plain that this administration is not doing anything constructive either.


I think what I have been showing so far gives that perspective.

Who has a Foreign Policy with Mexico? Who issued an EO in 2010 and 2012 to allow Children to stay and to allow more student visas?

Which Administration has for the last 2-3 years watched the numbers increase dramatically and not Engage the Country of Mexico over the mass migration trapsing thru their Country. While telling these people they are not committing any crime?

Would the numbers have increased 300% from 3 years ago? How about 68% or there abouts within the last year?
 
Hi Pol.

You know, you raise a very good point. With such laser like clairvoyance on the issue of unescorted alien children, one would think the jobs thing would be a slam dunk.

With such audacity, maybe those crystal balls are made from something else?

:lamo: You have no idea of the possibilities that flitted across my brain.... or maybe you do! :giggle1:
 
Study of immigration effects on American wages from the American Enterprise Institute: 012913immigration_zps0e77b8c0.jpg Study of effects on employment across the OECD countries:now-it-can-be-told-my-irish-an_zps2440de02.jpg Blacks are unemployed because most live in urban centers with restrictions on economic freedom, high minimum wage, and poorly run schools. This is pretty much true across the board for every minority you can mention with the same issue, who together, form the bulk of the High School unemployed group. Immigrants create jobs, both because they help the business save money & expand, and because they themselves are consumers, who will need other workers to meet their consumer demands.
 
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Oh what are you yapping about. There plenty you can do. Most of its not very nice or Christian, but there is plenty that can be done to dissuade border jumpers.

Yeah Pirate. :2wave: We can tell everybody else to quit borrowing Border Partols Drones.....So they can do the job they were intended to do.


Border-patrol drones being borrowed by other agencies more often than previously known......


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A Predator drone operated by the U.S. Office of Air and Marine taxis toward the tarmac for a surveillance flight near the Mexican border on March 7, 2013 from Fort Huachuca in Sierra Vista, Ariz

Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies are increasingly borrowing border-patrol drones for domestic surveillance operations, newly released records show, a harbinger of what is expected to become the commonplace use of unmanned aircraft by police.

Customs and Border Protection, which has the largest U.S. drone fleet of its kind outside the Defense Department, flew nearly 700 such surveillance missions on behalf of other agencies from 2010 to 2012, according to flight logs released recently in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil-liberties group.

The records show that the border-*patrol drones are being commissioned by other agencies more often than previously known. Most of the missions are performed for the Coast Guard, the Drug Enforcement Administration and immigration authorities. But they also aid in disaster relief and in the search for marijuana crops, methamphetamine labs and missing persons, among other missions not directly related to border protection.

Because they have sophisticated cameras and can remain in flight for many hours at a time, drones create novel privacy challenges. Civil libertarians have argued that these aircraft could lead to persistent visual surveillance of Americans on private property. Government lawyers have argued, however, that there is no meaningful legal distinction between the use of unmanned and piloted aircraft for surveillance.....snip~

Border-patrol drones being borrowed by other agencies more often than previously known - The Washington Post


Do you think Border Patrol can do their job a whole lot better f they have all their equipment to use?
 
When, before now, did we have thousands of unaccompanied minors, some in diapers, all unvaccinated and some with TB flooding across our borders? I'll be waiting for the answer.
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Apparently "Bush did it" is not working as well as was expected. Now it is time for a new blamee. NAFTA works as well as any other.
 
Apparently "Bush did it" is not working as well as was expected. Now it is time for a new blamee. NAFTA works as well as any other.


Bu...bu...bu... 'the congressional Republicans.' Those meeeeeeeeeeeeeen ole Republicans won't do what the boy king wants. So he stamps his tiny, smelly foot at them.
 
Perhaps Texmex is, himself, part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Many Hispanics on this forum are clearly illustrating that they don't ever assimilate. The ones that have apparently been here for years and have enjoyed all the benefits of an America built by traditional Americans seem to want only one thing now: More Mexicans, screw the United States.

Of course, that was Obama's racist plan all along.
 
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Yeah Pirate. :2wave: We can tell everybody else to quit borrowing Border Partols Drones.....So they can do the job they were intended to do.


Border-patrol drones being borrowed by other agencies more often than previously known......


163356034.jpg

A Predator drone operated by the U.S. Office of Air and Marine taxis toward the tarmac for a surveillance flight near the Mexican border on March 7, 2013 from Fort Huachuca in Sierra Vista, Ariz

Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies are increasingly borrowing border-patrol drones for domestic surveillance operations, newly released records show, a harbinger of what is expected to become the commonplace use of unmanned aircraft by police.

Customs and Border Protection, which has the largest U.S. drone fleet of its kind outside the Defense Department, flew nearly 700 such surveillance missions on behalf of other agencies from 2010 to 2012, according to flight logs released recently in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil-liberties group.

The records show that the border-*patrol drones are being commissioned by other agencies more often than previously known. Most of the missions are performed for the Coast Guard, the Drug Enforcement Administration and immigration authorities. But they also aid in disaster relief and in the search for marijuana crops, methamphetamine labs and missing persons, among other missions not directly related to border protection.

Because they have sophisticated cameras and can remain in flight for many hours at a time, drones create novel privacy challenges. Civil libertarians have argued that these aircraft could lead to persistent visual surveillance of Americans on private property. Government lawyers have argued, however, that there is no meaningful legal distinction between the use of unmanned and piloted aircraft for surveillance.....snip~

Border-patrol drones being borrowed by other agencies more often than previously known - The Washington Post


Do you think Border Patrol can do their job a whole lot better f they have all their equipment to use?

Yes! My hat goes off to the Border Patrol for what they have to put up with - and that includes the crap they are told they must live with by our government as well as dealing with illegal aliens! Hassled on all sides! Whatever pay they're receiving, it's not enough! :2mad:
 
Apparently "Bush did it" is not working as well as was expected. Now it is time for a new blamee. NAFTA works as well as any other.

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Last summer, the border agency released a batch of records indicating that it had flown fewer than 500 missions during that period. Officials offered no explanation for why the earlier release of documents was incomplete.

Congress has directed the FAA to gradually open the national airspace to public and commercial drone traffic in the coming years. In the meantime, however, there is a huge, unfed appetite among police agencies for drones and their powerful surveillance tools, which include infrared cameras and specialized radar.

Customs and Border Protection has a fleet of 10 unarmed Predator B drones. They are virtually identical to an Air Force drone known as the Reaper. Both are manufactured by General Atomics, a major drone producer based in Southern California.

Customs and Border Protection flies its drones within a 25-mile-wide corridor along the nation’s northern and southern borders, as well as over the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico.....snip~


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The GOP continue to keep the promise of Eric Cantor's blank piece of paper as their agenda for 2014.
Remember that Repubs, with that little smirk on Cantor's face with his 2014 agenda on a blank sheet of paper.

Cantor now is replaced with a candidate with less than a blank agenda.
The Brat needs to have his face intertwined with the latest set of Bundy "domestic" terrorists .
 
Of course, that was Obama's racist plan all along.

Accusing Obama of having a racist plan removes you from further serious consideration as a poster .
 
Yeah Pirate. :2wave: We can tell everybody else to quit borrowing Border Partols Drones.....So they can do the job they were intended to do.


Border-patrol drones being borrowed by other agencies more often than previously known......


163356034.jpg

A Predator drone operated by the U.S. Office of Air and Marine taxis toward the tarmac for a surveillance flight near the Mexican border on March 7, 2013 from Fort Huachuca in Sierra Vista, Ariz

Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies are increasingly borrowing border-patrol drones for domestic surveillance operations, newly released records show, a harbinger of what is expected to become the commonplace use of unmanned aircraft by police.

Customs and Border Protection, which has the largest U.S. drone fleet of its kind outside the Defense Department, flew nearly 700 such surveillance missions on behalf of other agencies from 2010 to 2012, according to flight logs released recently in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil-liberties group.

The records show that the border-*patrol drones are being commissioned by other agencies more often than previously known. Most of the missions are performed for the Coast Guard, the Drug Enforcement Administration and immigration authorities. But they also aid in disaster relief and in the search for marijuana crops, methamphetamine labs and missing persons, among other missions not directly related to border protection.

Because they have sophisticated cameras and can remain in flight for many hours at a time, drones create novel privacy challenges. Civil libertarians have argued that these aircraft could lead to persistent visual surveillance of Americans on private property. Government lawyers have argued, however, that there is no meaningful legal distinction between the use of unmanned and piloted aircraft for surveillance.....snip~

Border-patrol drones being borrowed by other agencies more often than previously known - The Washington Post


Do you think Border Patrol can do their job a whole lot better f they have all their equipment to use?
Drones don't really do much for dissuasion unless they are armed.
 
Many Hispanics on this forum are clearly illustrating that they don't ever assimilate. The ones that have been here for years and have enjoyed all the benefits of an America built by real Americans seem to want only one thing now: More Mexicans, screw the United States.

Of course, that was Obama's plan all along.
What is a "real American"? assimilated? What does that mean? My daughters great Grandmother immigrated to the US from Mexico in the 40's. She worked, saved and by 1963 bought a two flat in a German community where very little english was spoken. She never learned a lick of English herself, yet she paid taxes and contributed to the community.
Your comments are way off.
 
Accusing Obama of having a racist plan removes you from further serious consideration as a poster .

Demanding your sort of dishonest Liberal speech suppression removes you from serious consideration as a poster.
 
Yes! My hat goes off to the Border Patrol for what they have to put up with - and that includes the crap they are told they must live with by our government as well as dealing with illegal aliens! Hassled on all sides! Whatever pay they're receiving, it's not enough! :2mad:


Heya Lady P.
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What does this say here? BO made several what was the term.....oh yeah, Administrative Changes. To Immigration Enforcement and also a Program for 2 years for some who came here before 2007 to avoid deportation.



The immigration court system was backlogged with as many as 30,000 pending cases before the most recent surge. Final decisions by immigration judges can take years, but that supposes immigrants dutifully attend their assigned hearings. Many won't. As many as one-quarter of the immigrants ordered to show up in court in recent years have failed to appear, according to the Executive Office for Immigration Review, the Justice Department agency that runs immigration courts.

Instead, the government has more narrowly targeted people who return to the U.S. after they were deported, people who threaten U.S. national security and public safety and adults who can be subject to expedited deportation that takes hours or days.

The president has made several administrative changes to immigration enforcement, including a program to allow some young immigrants who came to the country before 2007 to avoid deportation and obtain a work permit for two years.

Adult immigrants caught crossing the Mexican border illegally are generally removed from the U.S. within hours or days of their arrest. But a federal law dating to President George W. Bush's administration requires that unaccompanied child immigrants must be turned over to HHS within three days. From there, many are reunited with parents or other relatives already in the United States or other sponsors before the lengthy court process beings.....snip~

Few immediate consequences for child immigrants
 
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