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Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

It's a conspiracy!!

I have already uncovered the super secret Obama is really a Mexican plot here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/194051-barack-obama-white.html#post1063284576

Lol, funny enough. Though Obama gets no pass from me at all, this is just another administration failing to secure our borders to protect Americans from the ill effects of it. But once again big business wanted NAFTA and they want open borders. Both parties pander to big business and so our borders remain porous. It's not a joke, its damn aggravating that partisan finger pointing on both sides have allowed big business to enjoy their benefits of an open border at such an expense to American society.
 
The've been doing that for DECADES, come on. You have got to be kidding yourself if you think OBama encouraged anyone to come over here THAT WASN'T ALREADY GOING TO DO SO.

They have been coming from Mexico to work. These are minors from Central America. They are not coming here to work.
 
I don't want to be flippant, but realistically if you're advertising that you're going to be lenient and waive the law for young people in the country a certain period of time, you're bound to get all kinds of new children finding their way into the country and presented by existing residents as children who've been in the country for a long time.

Now, if you advertised that there's a shoot to kill order for anyone discovered trying to cross the border illegally at other than regulated border crossings, you'd likely have fewer taking the risk. Alternately, if you advertised that anyone discovered crossing the border illegally would be sent to internment camps for a minimum of 5 years and then deported, you'd likely have fewer taking the risk.

It's only human nature. If you tell a child that they can't have icecream but if they can find a way to break into the icecream parlour you'll give them a banana split, with no penalty if they fail, you're going to have lots of kids trying to find a way to break in.

So which republican president has or will advertise the shoot to kill order??
 
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Even Nancy Pelosi is serving as border greeter for this massive influx. If you want to deny this latest influx hasn't been encouraged, that's your facts to ignore.

From what I can see, the ad below was posted last January, before the lastest tidal wave of children arrived. Figure the rest out yourself, or don't, others have for you.


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Gov’t Confirms Authenticity of Contract Request for ‘Escort Services for Unaccompanied Alien Children’ at the Border | TheBlaze.com
 
And neither would be terribly effective. An unwatched fence is not a barrier.

Mines on the other hand when backed up by barbed or razor wire are particularly effective at deterring crossing a protected space unless the perps are exceptionally determined.
 
So which republican president has or will advertise the shoot to kill order??

I would definitely like one to. And mines lots and lots of mines. Oh and machine guns and tanks and helicopters. And flamethrowers and napalm.
 
That is a opening for a position with homeland security escorting unaccompanied alien children. Did you actually read the details? It's not a border greeter, it's to provide transportation. Judging by their estimates of where the majority of children will be entering from, I doubt that position was set up to handle children crossing the border illegally.

Why, exactly, would a child in diapers come here unaccompanied? Will said minor in diapers have a work visa? Will said minor in diapers then renew that visa on his own before it runs out? Inquiring minds want to know, because the position that minors in diapers coming here unaccompanied for any useful purpose is not only completely wrong, it is some kind of stupid.
 
Lol, funny enough. Though Obama gets no pass from me at all, this is just another administration failing to secure our borders to protect Americans from the ill effects of it. But once again big business wanted NAFTA and they want open borders. Both parties pander to big business and so our borders remain porous. It's not a joke, its damn aggravating that partisan finger pointing on both sides have allowed big business to enjoy their benefits of an open border at such an expense to American society.

Who was behind NAFTA? Who's creation was it? Yes both sides wanted the money. That doesn't change who brought it all about.

Oh and like I said.....who increased the amount of kids by issuing an EO that stated Some kids from before 2007 would be allowed to stay here? You can't say that BO hasn't tried to play off this issue and has been part of creating this crisis, can you?


The United States said it would launch a $40 million program to improve security in Guatemala to reduce pressures forcing flight to United States and a $25 million program to provide services to youth in El Salvador who are vulnerable to organized-crime pressure, the White House said in a statement......snip~

How does this lessen what it taking place on our Southern Border?
 
Dumbass statement of the day, congratulations! :lamo :lamo :lamo

They are ALL unvaccinated, some even have TB. Border Patrol agents have taken sick from their exposure to them. Do try to keep up with what is going on.
 
Bitch all you want, but it's coming and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it.

Oh what are you yapping about. There plenty you can do. Most of its not very nice or Christian, but there is plenty that can be done to dissuade border jumpers.
 
Why, exactly, would a child in diapers come here unaccompanied? Will said minor in diapers have a work visa? Will said minor in diapers then renew that visa on his own before it runs out? Inquiring minds want to know, because the position that minors in diapers coming here unaccompanied for any useful purpose is not only completely wrong, it is some kind of stupid.

Refugees, may have lost their older companion during the trip. Human trafficking is also a huge issue, which many here ignore. And yes some disgusting people may try to traffic an infant.
 
So which republican president has or will advertise the shoot to kill order??

I was being flippant, as noted in the first sentence of my post. The point being, if you advertise a goodie, people without many or any goodies are going too want to try to get some. It's simply human nature.

As I understand it, and there's been some talk about NAFTA, these are not Mexicans making their way north because NAFTA has actually benefited Mexico and helped retain workers in that country. The problem is with non-NAFTA or free trade countries in Central America, south of Mexico, with no economy and no hope and the Mexican authorities seem to shuffle these people right through Mexico and on to America.

As a result, it may be of benefit to America to start pumping more foreign relief money and economic benefit into these poor Central American countries and spend less in areas like the Middle East and South East Asia, if only as a means to stem the invasion from the south.
 
If an immigrant, no matter where they're from, is the one the business wants to hire, than they're the one that should be hired. The American Government is not a Union, and shouldn't act as one.
Once upon a time, these people wouldn't have been illegals, they would have been fed directly into the legal program, they would have stayed, or returned seasonally based on their own plans, generate some business as they worked here, and that would have been that. The Economic order goes on as it should.
Today, we have an economically disruptive system, one that categorically disallows people from coming here, not because they are violent, not because they are terrorists, not because they're ne'er do wells or seek welfare, but simply because they're low-skilled, and aren't from here.
If you are low skilled, and have no relatives living in the United States, you have no chance of coming here. There is no line for you, and you will simply be turned away.
Most immigrants fall into this category, so either they become illegals, or they don't come. That's the choice we've put in front of them.
Additionally, for High Skilled immigrants there is a shallow pool. 85,000 H1-B visas, 225,000 applicants a year. They go virtually within the first day. To assign them, the visas are put into a lottery.
That is our Government, turning away the next Elon Musk, the next Sergey Brin, the next Ajay Bhatt-led, simply because we didn't make enough visas to meet the demand. We are turning away growth & opportunity, and allowing ourselves to be technologically out-paced, because of a short-sighted, disruptive policy, written by Labor Unions.
It's nonsense. It doesn't make us richer, it makes us poorer. It doesn't make us safer, it makes immigration illicit. Worthy of nothing but contempt.

You really have it backward. It doesn't matter where the immigrant is from, current law requires the contractor to make valid and documented attempts to hire US citizens BEFORE they hire an immigrant.

The US uses a quota system. Each person who applies for a work visa is given a number. When their number comes up then they may enter the country legally with a work visa. The problem with the visa system is that it is backlogged for over 10 years for Mexico. The numbers are different for every country, and most do not have to wait that long. Once someone comes here legally with a work visa, they must return home periodically. Failure to do so is not a crime, even if their visa expires. But if the leave once their visa has expired they will face a 10 year bar, they will have to wait 10 years for another visa.

The actuaries have done the math and they have figured the amount of 'growth and opportunity' the country can stand, and have arrived at the current numbers.

And our government as of yet has not turned away any of them. When it does, we can only hope it is 'typhoid Mary' they send back.
 
How so? they pay into our system. They buy gas or travel on buses that pay for their gas with the fares the immigrants pay for. They pay property and sales tax. They even pay for our military, because virtually everything in our Government today is borrowing against the SS trust fund, which illegals at a rate of 3 to 1 contribute to.
But let's be honest here: the free rider effect to some degree is a given. Half of Americans don't pay the same Federal Taxes most immigrants don't. This isn't a problem with them, it's a problem with the system. Ilegal immigration only got out of hand once we abandoned Eisenhower's policies, and adopted ones being put forth by the AFL-CIO. So the fix is simple. Return to Eisenhower. economically wrong headed. Labor just like the other factor of production, Capital, must reach equilibrium, people must move from low producing countries to high producing ones. We have seen the mobility of Capital in our Globalized economy, investors overseas, and foreign companies setting up shop in the U.S. and vice versa. Labor must now follow, and it will do so whether it has our permission or not.
No Civil Law system, no political institution on Earth is stronger than the laws of Supply & Demand, they permeate through all. They are an irrevocable part of human nature.

Unaccompanied minors in diapers pay into our system? Wow. Who knew?
 
If we can not handle the internment, processing, and deportation of 90,000 how in the hell would we deport 900,000? Nevermind 9,000,000.

If President Obama is asking congress for $2,000,000,000 to deal with 90K...how many billions would it take to deport 12,000,000?

Doesn't matter how much they give him. He can't deport anyone himself. Only an immigration court can order deportation, and the US immigration courts have been backlogged for years.

Obama is going to **** and fall back in it. That's what he's going to do.
 
they took a stand.
that is all that matters.

they should not be subject to this illegal activity more so from our own government.

Exactly what they did. I expect many others will soon be doing the same. Personally, if they are all going to be 'processed' then they should ALL, every last one, have to go to DC to get that done. With regard to the mentally ill, TN is not perfect by any stretch, but they have done far more than most states because the capitol is in downtown Nashville, where the 3,000 people who were deinstitutionalized from the mental facilities end up. Having them on the doorstep of our legislators would do wonders, just like it did in Nashville.
 
What was the stand? ..."don't process them here"? take them and process them[as required by law] over there...

Stop acting like standing in front of a bus solves anything.

Well, it did for that community, and if they all got sent to DC for 'procfessing' it would be solved very quickly.

Let me tell you something about the DC area that you may not know. The Metro, DC's underground rail system does not go to Georgetown, where most of our legislators live. Care to guess why? I'll tell you: It is to keep bums from getting on the Metro and riding it out to Georgetown. They can ride the Metro out to any other bedroom community of DC, but not Georgetown. I think a few bus loads processed in Georgetown would work wonders for our immigration system.
 
How about this Lursa.
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Also you do know that 59% of the Population blame BO for this current Immigration Crisis, Right?. Let me know if you need any other info on it.


Proof: Obama Knew Illegal Immigrant Minors Were Coming, Has No Plans To Deport.....

Is this the smoking gun?

Now, recently unearthed documents show the Obama Administration knew about the influx of tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children across our southern border and has no plans to return them to their home country. Back in January, the Department of Homeland Security submitted a bid to “escort” 65,000 unaccompanied children to locations across the country. Courtesy of weaselzippers.us, here’s the relevant text:

ICE is seeking the services of a responsible vendor that shares the philosophy of treating all UAC with dignity and respect, while adhering to standard operating procedures and policies that allow for an effective, efficient, and incident free transport. The Contractor shall provide unarmed escort staff, including management, supervision, manpower, training, certifications, licenses, drug testing, equipment, and supplies necessary to provide on-demand escort services for non-criminal/non-delinquent unaccompanied alien children ages infant to 17 years of age, seven (7) days a week, 365 days a year.

More interestingly, the bid is for the “Office of Refugee Resettlement.” This office does NOT deport people. It resettles them. Their mission statement:

The Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) provides new populations with opportunities to maximize their potential in the United States, linking people in need to critical resources to assist them in becoming integrated members of American society.....snip~

Proof: Obama Knew Illegal Immigrant Minors Were Coming, Has No Plans To Deport - Downtrend



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THank you. Some of that is helpful. Saying that 59% of AMericans 'think' anything isnt proof of anything tho, lol, except sometimes how ignorant the people in this country can be.

I am nearly 100% against illegal immigration. However I prefer to see the FACTS rather than the partisan blame crap. Bush opened the door to amnesty, not Obama. But it's plain that this administration is not doing anything constructive either.
 
For some who believe this issue has also recently exploded due to Obama might also want to read up on NAFTA and the long term effects. This is a rather older artice but I think it still shows some of the effects we are seeing even now:

Illegal Immigration and NAFTA | Economy In Crisis


When, before now, did we have thousands of unaccompanied minors, some in diapers, all unvaccinated and some with TB flooding across our borders? I'll be waiting for the answer.
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who was behind nafta? Who's creation was it? Yes both sides wanted the money. That doesn't change who brought it all about.

Oh and like i said.....who increased the amount of kids by issuing an eo that stated some kids from before 2007 would be allowed to stay here? You can't say that bo hasn't tried to play off this issue and has been part of creating this crisis, can you?


the united states said it would launch a $40 million program to improve security in guatemala to reduce pressures forcing flight to united states and a $25 million program to provide services to youth in el salvador who are vulnerable to organized-crime pressure, the white house said in a statement......snip~

how does this lessen what it taking place on our southern border?


lol..
 
Oh what are you yapping about. There plenty you can do. Most of its not very nice or Christian, but there is plenty that can be done to dissuade border jumpers.

Perhaps Texmex is, himself, part of the problem and not part of the solution.
 
LOL.

I'm afraid there is much digging left for you to do. Having learned to require others to do the lifting for you, that may not be possible.

I do have a question. Since it is against the law to enter this country illegally, why do you think Nancy Pelosi went to the border the other day and said the following:

"This crisis that some call a crisis, we have to view as an opportunity," Pelosi said. "If you believe as we do that every child, every person has a spark of divinity in them, and is therefore worthy of respect -- what we saw in those rooms was [a] dazzling, sparkling, array of God's children, worthy of respect."​
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I have no idea, you'd have to ask Pelosi. I think you have me wrong here. I firmly believe that a sovereign nation the right to control their of system of immigration, the US especially. It is my opinion, that our government, in complete collusion with commerce (corporations, businesses, et al) have slowly been allowing Mexicans, in particular, to surreptitiously enter the US since the 50's, as a cheap and exploitable labor commodity. It has only been in this last decade or so that the citizens finally started to notice it and by then, it was too late.

I'm a stoic pragmatist. I realize what the government and corporations did. Once that cheap labor no longer was cheap, those two entities had clandestinely started to strip our industries and jobs overseas where it was even cheaper and more profitable. I see people becoming inhuman animals fighting over what pitifully few well paying middle class jobs exist, like dogs over a bone. The Mexicans did not create this situation, and I have nothing but contempt for the stupid and foolish people who heap hate and abuse on them while ignorantly and willfully ignoring the real cause of our plight.....the corporations. I'm also a humanist and will always champion the natural rights of any flesh and blood individual over any corporation or business.

Getting back to my point, being a pragmatist means that we cannot stop this influx at the border and spending money on it is useless. The only practical solution at this point is immigration reform. Those who oppose it are up against both political parties who salivate over the additional votes and a corporate mindset that is already profiting to the tune of billions of dollars by catering to the illegal market.

Know who your true enemy is.

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