Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

ludin · Jul 2, 2014

ocean515 said:
I believe the recent influx of illegals is an orchestrated event by the left, which includes the Obama Administration.

of course promise them free healthcare full government benefits you have a new dependency class that costs taxpayers billions more dollars and you have a new voting block to pander to.

because those evil people over there want you to work for a living.

we can't support the current levels of people we have now i don't see how we can support 11m+ more people.
beside the fact that this is totally illegal and the president is allowing an invasion of this country.

these people aren't even being shipped back they are being sent into cities and just let go and on good faith they will come back to their immigration hearing. what a load of bull.

americanwoman · Jul 2, 2014

jimbo said:
The current crop of kids crossing without guardians, skills, assets, or income, is absolutely Obama's fault, and I don't believe it is unintentional. Bush had nothing to do with this.

My best guess is that Obama is like the spoiled brat that punches a hole in the football when he does not get chosen first. As he said, if he doesn't get his way, he is going to take his way.

What specific policy or law has Obama passed that orchestrated this? I don't want any blogs, editorials, or anything but a specific law. DACA does not cover any of these new arrivals and I cannot find anything else that Obama signed to provide amnesty for any other illegal children.

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) | Immigration Equality

Individuals who meet the following criteria can apply for deferred action for childhood arrivals:

■are under 31 years of age as of June 15, 2012;
■came to the U.S. while under the age of 16;
■have continuously resided in the U.S. from June 15, 2007 to the present. (For purposes of calculating this five year period, brief and innocent absences from the United States for humanitarian reasons will not be included);
■entered the U.S. without inspection before June 15, 2012, or individuals whose lawful immigration status expired as of June 15, 2012;■were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making the request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
■are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a GED, or have been honorably discharged from the Coast Guard or armed forces;
■have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor, or more than three misdemeanors and do not pose a threat to national security or public safety.
Applicants will have to provide documentary evidence of the above criteria. In addition, every applicant must complete and pass a biographic and biometric background check.

jimbo · Jul 2, 2014

Deuce said:
When do you think the first time someone "without guardians, skills, assets, or income" crossed the border was? What year?

Reading comprehension problem? I specifically addressed the current crop of kids.

ludin · Jul 2, 2014

TheNextEra said:
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that the U.S. government for DECADES hasn't done anything real significant about this except give it lip service.:roll:

Did it ever occur to you that they are saying that to give it an excuse? They have been coming over for decades, are you serisouly saying that if Obama hadn't said anything they wouldn't have come over? Their lives over there are a crap hole and I doubt Obama's words encouraged people that weren't already going to attempt to come over in the first place.

They are coming into our country because we don't hold those that hire them accountable with heavy fines or imprisonment. If we jailed or heavily fined those that hired them we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

you evidently didn't read my post i already addressed this.

jimbo · Jul 2, 2014

americanwoman said:
What specific policy or law has Obama passed that orchestrated this? I don't want any blogs, editorials, or anything but a specific law. DACA does not cover any of these new arrivals and I cannot find anything else that Obama signed to provide amnesty for any other illegal children.

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) | Immigration Equality

I have no idea what specific policy or law is responsible for this new wave. That's the bothersome part.

ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

TheNextEra said:
The've been doing that for DECADES, come on. You have got to be kidding yourself if you think OBama encouraged anyone to come over here THAT WASN'T ALREADY GOING TO DO SO.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Even Nancy Pelosi is serving as border greeter for this massive influx. If you want to deny this latest influx hasn't been encouraged, that's your facts to ignore.

From what I can see, the ad below was posted last January, before the lastest tidal wave of children arrived. Figure the rest out yourself, or don't, others have for you.

rhinefire · Jul 2, 2014

So these people come here full of diseases and Obama says nothing.

TheNextEra · Jul 2, 2014

ocean515 said:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Even Nancy Pelosi is serving as border greeter for this massive influx. If you want to deny this latest influx hasn't been encouraged, that's your facts to ignore.

From what I can see, the ad below was posted last January, before the lastest tidal wave of children arrived. Figure the rest out yourself, or don't, others have for you.

Yet again, that is for the problem we have ANYWAY. Look if you want to blame EVERYTHING on Obama instead of realizing that the reason they come here in the first place is because people hire them, that's on you.

You and others blame Obama and I haven't seen the GOP focusing on HEAVY fines and jail time for the people that hire illegals. But please, have fun blaming Obama while giving those that hire a free pass, because that is EXACTLY what you are doing when you don't focus on those that hire them in the first place.

ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

ludin said:
of course promise them free healthcare full government benefits you have a new dependency class that costs taxpayers billions more dollars and you have a new voting block to pander to.

because those evil people over there want you to work for a living.

we can't support the current levels of people we have now i don't see how we can support 11m+ more people.
beside the fact that this is totally illegal and the president is allowing an invasion of this country.

these people aren't even being shipped back they are being sent into cities and just let go and on good faith they will come back to their immigration hearing. what a load of bull.

I'm also becoming concerned about the legal citizens who will be most harmed by these new illegal aliens. How many more jobs will be lost, and how high will unemployment go among those legal citizens seeking work?

What promises will be make (and later broken) to keep them quiet and compliant?

TheNextEra · Jul 2, 2014

ocean515 said:
I'm also becoming concerned about the legal citizens who will be most harmed by these new illegal aliens. How many more jobs will be lost, and how high will unemployment go among those legal citizens seeking work?

What promises will be make (and later broken) to keep them quiet and compliant?

So what is the GOP plan for fining or jailing those that hire illegals? Oh yeah, NOTHING.

Paxaeon · Jul 2, 2014

americanwoman said:
Only to have them dig under and make tunnels.

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My point was to show the raw estimate cost of even the most flimsiest of barriers between Mexico and the US. Any kind of barrier (with the possible exception of a wall as exemplified between Israel and the West Bank) is cost prohibitive.

Arresting, housing, clothing, feeding, providing medical assistance, legally processing and transporting anywhere between 12 to 20 million illegals would also cost an estimated one trillion dollars.

We need immigration reform, which the right does not seem to grasp is the only viable solution.
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ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

TheNextEra said:
So what is the GOP plan for fining or jailing those that hire illegals? Oh yeah, NOTHING.

BS. For example, why has the left stood in the way of formalizing E-Verify as a legitimate method to qualify workers?

Regardless, it's quite clear by the lead up to this current influx the Obama Administration, and Progressives are behind it, and for some, at minimum, further encouraging it.

I'm just worried how they plan to pay off the legal citizens who are going to be most harmed by all these failures from failed countries spreading out in their neighborhoods.

americanwoman · Jul 2, 2014

ocean515 said:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Even Nancy Pelosi is serving as border greeter for this massive influx. If you want to deny this latest influx hasn't been encouraged, that's your facts to ignore.

From what I can see, the ad below was posted last January, before the lastest tidal wave of children arrived. Figure the rest out yourself, or don't, others have for you.

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That is a opening for a position with homeland security escorting unaccompanied alien children. Did you actually read the details? It's not a border greeter, it's to provide transportation. Judging by their estimates of where the majority of children will be entering from, I doubt that position was set up to handle children crossing the border illegally.

There will be approximately 65,000 UAC in total: 25% local ground transport, 25% via ICE charter and 50% via commercial air. Escort services include, but are not limited to, assisting with: transferring physical custody of UAC from DHS to Health and Human Services (HHS) care via ground or air methods of transportation (charter or commercial carrier), property inventory, providing juveniles with meals, drafting reports, generating transport documents, maintaining/stocking daily supplies, providing and issuing clothing as needed, coordinating with DHS and HHS staff, travel coordination, limited stationary guard services to accommodate for trip disruptions due to inclement weather, faulty equipment, or other exigent circumstances. In emergency situations, the Contractor shall be called on to provide temporary shelter locations (such as trailers) with shower facilities for juveniles who are pending placement with HHS when bed space is unavailable nationwide for extended periods of time. The Contractor shall provide temporary guard services and other support as necessary during these emergencies.

ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

americanwoman said:
That is a opening for a position with homeland security escorting unaccompanied alien children. Did you actually read the details? It's not a border greeter, it's to provide transportation. Judging by their estimates of where the majority of children will be entering from, I doubt that position was set up to handle children crossing the border illegally.

I think the average person would not be willing to work so hard to ignore the obvious implication of the advertisement they ran last January.

Texmex · Jul 2, 2014

rhinefire said:
So these people come here full of diseases and Obama says nothing.

Dumbass statement of the day, congratulations! :lamo :lamo :lamo

AJiveMan · Jul 2, 2014

they can cross without documentation.

And yes, it is a major problem.

they can cross without documentation.

And yes, it is a HUMANITARIAN problem now.

ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

TheNextEra said:
Yet again, that is for the problem we have ANYWAY. Look if you want to blame EVERYTHING on Obama instead of realizing that the reason they come here in the first place is because people hire them, that's on you.

You and others blame Obama and I haven't seen the GOP focusing on HEAVY fines and jail time for the people that hire illegals. But please, have fun blaming Obama while giving those that hire a free pass, because that is EXACTLY what you are doing when you don't focus on those that hire them in the first place.

Have you read the 1996 Illegal Immigration Act Clinton signed into law?

U.S. Immigration Legislation: 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act

The Obama Administration, along with leaders in labor, and in the Democratic Party, have been encouraging illegal aliens to come here. They have been pushing to reward them for their effort, and enrich them at taxpayer expense. Yet you point to the GOP for not pushing for heavy fines, etc.? Again, read the legislation on the books.

You can swim in a river in Egypt as long as you want, but the facts are undeniable.

americanwoman · Jul 2, 2014

ocean515 said:
Have you read the 1996 Illegal Immigration Act Clinton signed into law?

U.S. Immigration Legislation: 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act

The Obama Administration, along with leaders in labor, and in the Democratic Party, have been encouraging illegal aliens to come here. They have been pushing to reward them for their effort, and enrich them at taxpayer expense. Yet you point to the GOP for not pushing for heavy fines, etc.? Again, read the legislation on the books.

You can swim in a river in Egypt as long as you want, but the facts are undeniable.

My memory is a little fuzzy can you help me remember who provided the last largest amnesy ever, the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which gave amnesty to roughly 2.8 million illegal aliens? I've done enough research this morning and feeling kind of lazy now but maybe you can help me now.

Blue_State · Jul 2, 2014

americanwoman said:
My memory is a little fuzzy can you help me remember who provided the last largest amnesy ever, the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which gave amnesty to roughly 2.8 million illegal aliens? I've done enough research this morning and feeling kind of lazy now but maybe you can help me now.

Me too...something about a deal...no deal?

ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

americanwoman said:
My memory is a little fuzzy can you help me remember who provided the last largest amnesy ever, the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which gave amnesty to roughly 2.8 million illegal aliens? I've done enough research this morning and feeling kind of lazy now but maybe you can help me now.

Apparently, your confusing fuzziness with snark.

I would think, having learned that Reagans efforts were met with even greater levels of illegal immigration, the "amnesty" approach would be rejected out of hand. Since it clearly is not being rejected, the conclusion can only be that more illegal immigration is being sought, which evidence is proving true.

How the most vulnerable legal citizens are going to be protected from the economic harm of people the left is encouraging to come here is still a bit of a mystery.

DVSentinel · Jul 2, 2014

HenryChinaski said:
The most cost effective approach is just to let them in, with conditions. Just as Eisenhower did. Ike didn't simply try a border-block approach. We need High-skilled immigrants as they're proven entrepreneurs and business makers. But we also need low-skilled immigrants.

Right. It's not like we have millions living on welfare who might actually someday work for a living.

HenryChinaski · Jul 2, 2014

DVSentinel said:
Right. It's not like we have millions living on welfare who might actually someday work for a living.

Immigrants don't just "take jobs", they create them. We know why illegal immigration has spiraled out of control, and it has nothing to do with the border, and everything to do with our laws. Because under Eisenhower, this wasn't a problem, and only started to become a problem once we tore down his program. Follow the history.

ocean515 · Jul 2, 2014

HenryChinaski said:
Immigrants don't just "take jobs", they create them. We know why illegal immigration has spiraled out of control, and it has nothing to do with the border, and everything to do with our laws. Because under Eisenhower, this wasn't a problem, and only started to become a problem once we tore down his program. Follow the history.

Illegal aliens take jobs. That is an undeniable fact. Farm labor programs are a far stretch from the invasion that is taking place today.

Willfully taking in peasants from failed countries will only spread their cultural failure here, at the expense of those who will be harmed by this liberal policy.

HenryChinaski · Jul 2, 2014

ocean515 said:
Illegal aliens take jobs. That is an undeniable fact. Farm labor programs are a far stretch from the invasion that is taking place today.

Willfully taking in peasants from failed countries will only spread their cultural failure here, at the expense of those who will be harmed by this liberal policy.

If an immigrant, no matter where they're from, is the one the business wants to hire, than they're the one that should be hired. The American Government is not a Union, and shouldn't act as one.
Once upon a time, these people wouldn't have been illegals, they would have been fed directly into the legal program, they would have stayed, or returned seasonally based on their own plans, generate some business as they worked here, and that would have been that. The Economic order goes on as it should.
Today, we have an economically disruptive system, one that categorically disallows people from coming here, not because they are violent, not because they are terrorists, not because they're ne'er do wells or seek welfare, but simply because they're low-skilled, and aren't from here.
If you are low skilled, and have no relatives living in the United States, you have no chance of coming here. There is no line for you, and you will simply be turned away.
Most immigrants fall into this category, so either they become illegals, or they don't come. That's the choice we've put in front of them.
Additionally, for High Skilled immigrants there is a shallow pool. 85,000 H1-B visas, 225,000 applicants a year. They go virtually within the first day. To assign them, the visas are put into a lottery.
That is our Government, turning away the next Elon Musk, the next Sergey Brin, the next Ajay Bhatt-led, simply because we didn't make enough visas to meet the demand. We are turning away growth & opportunity, and allowing ourselves to be technologically out-paced, because of a short-sighted, disruptive policy, written by Labor Unions.
It's nonsense. It doesn't make us richer, it makes us poorer. It doesn't make us safer, it makes immigration illicit. Worthy of nothing but contempt.

Baralis · Jul 2, 2014

Paxaeon said:
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The border between the US and Mexico is 1,989 miles long. How much are Americans willing to spend to make this border impenetrable? Consider a 4 foot fence casts between $2,700-$21,200 for one mile. (source) A 6 foot fence with barbed wire; considerably more.

In my opinion a fence alone is very ineffective and is largely used as a visual effort to appease US citizens although I believe it to be a poor one. Consider the wall between East Berlin and West Berlin. What made it so successful? Armed guards that would shoot on sight and not the barrier its self. If I were to place 20 million dollars into a 20 foot tall fence enclosure and announced to the world that it was there it would only be a matter of minutes or hours before someone circumvented the fence. Now if I placed armed guards onto that fence and people knew they would shoot on sight I am betting my money would stay their for a much longer time.
I believe we need to approach this problem from multiple angles.

- I would relocate all active service members found in the US and station them along our borders.

- I would amend birthright citizenship to require at least one legal US citizen parent.

- I would remove all incentives for them to cross. No public services would be given to illegal immigrants or their children except medical care in life threatening situations.

- I would detain all that are found and give them 60 days to provide proof of legal status if none is provided I deport them.

- I would better establish a free nationwide legal status checking system and require all employers to verify legal status before hiring a person. If an employer cannot show a reasonable attempt at verifying and are found to have employed illegals they have their business license revoked. None of this measly fine crap.

- I would expand agents into every county in the us and ask local agencies to report and suspected illegal aliens. As of now many times once a illegal alien has made it into the interior they are largely safe. I know here local law enforcement are told not to apprehend a person based on legal status. It is not their jurisdiction. Unless they are breaking some other law they are ignored.

Im sure I could of more I would like to do but I need to get back to mowing.

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