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Obama to take executive action on immigration

sawdust said:
I don't think there is the political will in Congress to impeach our first black president. You're wrong that he can't be impeached however. Impeachment is a political process which starts in the house and is tried in the senate. Americans don't have anything to do with it.
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You too miss the point. Of course the house and senate prosecute the process, and of course impeachment has legal and constitutional basis. But Americans, and members of the House and Senate are Americans, too, don't hold there presidents accountable. Just look around DP. It's a daily orgasmic frenzy of right wingers piling on Obama, and mostly correctly pointing out wrong doing, even unconstitutional action. And the partisan lefties are wore plum out by them, justifying, defending and excusing their president. I'm talking about partisan democrats in the house and senate as well. The exact opposite was the case during the last administration. If a GOPer should happen to win the WH next go around, stay tuned, because you will see a complete roll reversal on this board. Very few here acknowledge the sins of presidents from both parties, and want to see an end to corruption in Washington. Same being true across the country and the reason that it persists, and likely never will end.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
So...if you think that a majority of the House would vote against immigration reform, then why doesn't Boehner allow a vote?

And if you'll recall, in the 2012 election, Democratic members of the House received about a million more votes than the Republican members did...but thanks to gerrymandering, the GOP kept its majority. The GOP is not interested in majority rule - it's interested only in GOP rule.
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Maybe it's the universe's way of keeping things balanced - The Senate is Democrat ruled, and even some House Democrats are asking why the bills they have sent to the Senate are not being brought to a vote!
 
Glen Contrarian said:
FYI, the Democratic party is VERY interested in comprehensive immigration reform - if for no other reason than to garner all those Hispanic votes.
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Immigration policy will be a significant focus of the 113th Congress. For decades, some U.S. politicians have focused on closing the U.S.-Mexico border to try to stop the northward flow of migrant workers. But little focus has been given to the “supply side” of a surge in immigration into the United States by people from Latin America: U.S. trade policies that have caused massive displacement of small farmers in Mexico and other Latin American countries. Indeed, many policymakers most focused on “closing” the U.S. border were the very same ones who supported U.S. trade policies that have caused the economic crises that destroyed livelihoods and devastated communities throughout Latin America – creating powerful incentives for people desperate for new livelihoods to migrate in the first place. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was negotiated by the George H.W. Bush administration between the United States, Mexico, and Canada and passed by the Bill Clinton administration. Nineteen years of NAFTA have devastated Mexico’s rural economy, eroded economic opportunities for decent manufacturing jobs and destroyed many small and medium-sized businesses in Mexico. NAFTA, which benefited only the narrow corporate special interests who designed and pushed it, generated enormous pressures for working- age Mexicans to attempt the dangerous journey to the United States. In NAFTA’s first seven years, Mexican immigration to the United States more than doubled, surging 108 percent. The George W. Bush administration then negotiated expansions of the failed NAFTA model to six Central American nations and the Dominican Republic and to Peru, Panama and Colombia.

https://www.citizen.org/documents/failed-trade-policy-and-immigration.pdf
 
Montecresto said:
Immigration policy will be a significant focus of the 113th Congress. For decades, some U.S. politicians have focused on closing the U.S.-Mexico border to try to stop the northward flow of migrant workers. But little focus has been given to the “supply side” of a surge in immigration into the United States by people from Latin America: U.S. trade policies that have caused massive displacement of small farmers in Mexico and other Latin American countries. Indeed, many policymakers most focused on “closing” the U.S. border were the very same ones who supported U.S. trade policies that have caused the economic crises that destroyed livelihoods and devastated communities throughout Latin America – creating powerful incentives for people desperate for new livelihoods to migrate in the first place. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was negotiated by the George H.W. Bush administration between the United States, Mexico, and Canada and passed by the Bill Clinton administration. Nineteen years of NAFTA have devastated Mexico’s rural economy, eroded economic opportunities for decent manufacturing jobs and destroyed many small and medium-sized businesses in Mexico. NAFTA, which benefited only the narrow corporate special interests who designed and pushed it, generated enormous pressures for working- age Mexicans to attempt the dangerous journey to the United States. In NAFTA’s first seven years, Mexican immigration to the United States more than doubled, surging 108 percent. The George W. Bush administration then negotiated expansions of the failed NAFTA model to six Central American nations and the Dominican Republic and to Peru, Panama and Colombia.

https://www.citizen.org/documents/failed-trade-policy-and-immigration.pdf
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Both parties have contributed to our border woes, but big business has reaped big benefits and both parties pander to big business.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Different times the 80s were. But you keep living in them, OK.
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That's your excuse for Reagan handing out citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? Weak sauce man.
 
poweRob said:
That's your excuse for Reagan handing out citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? Weak sauce man.
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Yes, whatever happened then does not give Obama a free hand to allow millions more to come in. If that's the case, we may was well just take down the border.
 
poweRob said:
That's your excuse for Reagan handing out citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? Weak sauce man.
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this is the actual law that Reagan passed
having trouble copying it, so i will just refernce it
8 usc 1101
part b sec 111
para a (2 essental elements)

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me

the important part is the furtherance of border security to deter more aliens from crossing our border
that really worked well didnt it?

only 12-14 million new ones.....
 
Everyone acknowledges that the Amnesty bill signed by Reagan failed. So why do liberals want to do it again.

Can't liberals learn from past mistakes?
 
poweRob said:
That's your excuse for Reagan handing out citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? Weak sauce man.
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You want to compare what President Obama may likely do, to a bi-partisan effort during the Reagan Administration to address what activists sold at the time as the once and for all solution to the illegal aliens living in the country?

That's not just weak sauce, that's tasteless liquid.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Everyone acknowledges that the Amnesty bill signed by Reagan failed. So why do liberals want to do it again.

Can't liberals learn from past mistakes?
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I was thinking this earlier... I've heard it repeated lately that we are all immigrants and the only true Americans are the Indians.

I then wonder if the Indiians had a chance to do it over, would they enforce their borders a bit better and keep whitey out? i suspect so. Let's learn from their mistakes.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Everyone acknowledges that the Amnesty bill signed by Reagan failed. So why do liberals want to do it again.

Can't liberals learn from past mistakes?
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Yeah, but it'll work better when they do it. :roll:
 
CRUE CAB said:
Yes, whatever happened then does not give Obama a free hand to allow millions more to come in. If that's the case, we may was well just take down the border.
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Obama? you mean the guy they call deporter in chief because he's deported many people? Bush didn't deport as many as Obama and NOW you are scared of amnesty? Obama is trying to speed up the deportation and it's congress that is standing in his way because Republicans will not pass anything while he is president.

Thanks for the case reference though. Pretty cool. I'll go check it out.
 
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ludin said:
Obama is not king not matter how much he thinks he is.
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Sure he is. Until Boehner grows a pair of testicles and defunds him Obama will continue to grow the tyranny. I despise Obama and I despise Boehner.
 
gdgyva said:
this is the actual law that Reagan passed
having trouble copying it, so i will just refernce it
8 usc 1101
part b sec 111
para a (2 essental elements)

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me

the important part is the furtherance of border security to deter more aliens from crossing our border
that really worked well didnt it?

only 12-14 million new ones.....
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Reagan did it back then as his way of weakening union labor strength.

on another note... it's corporate America that is the carrot that these people come here for. And when I finally see Republicans embracing laws in mass to throw these white collars in prison instead of attacking the brown people lured here by them... I'll then start believing Republicans give a damn about anything regarding immigration.
 
gdgyva said:
this is the actual law that Reagan passed
having trouble copying it, so i will just refernce it
8 usc 1101
part b sec 111
para a (2 essental elements)

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me

the important part is the furtherance of border security to deter more aliens from crossing our border
that really worked well didnt it?

only 12-14 million new ones.....
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http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/irca.html

That's the link I've found closest to what you are talking about. What part where you referring to?
 
NIMBY said:
Mr. Boehner said NO to immigration votes for the rest of the year today.
Is this the majority opinion of the American people want?
We know what DEMs/GOPs think.
What do the rest of you want/think--action or inaction?
Should the President have moved assets to the borders today to deal with a problem everyone is blaming on everyone else ?
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You start interior enforcement of enforcing our immigration laws and they will stop coming.

We need another "Operation Wetback" that President Eisenhower ordered. Round up and deport everyone who's not suppose to be here.

And the bleeding heart liberals don't want to break up the illegal alien families so send their anchor babies with them.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Yes, whatever happened then does not give Obama a free hand to allow millions more to come in. If that's the case, we may was well just take down the border.
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The border is mostly invisible, there's nothing to take down, remember, no administration has ever secured our border. Stop just blaming democrats, no president from either party has ever closed the gate, EVER,
 
Lord of Planar said:
Everyone acknowledges that the Amnesty bill signed by Reagan failed. So why do liberals want to do it again.

Can't liberals learn from past mistakes?
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I think liberals and conservatives both should learn from past mistakes, but then when has that happened? The gates been open forever, it was open when Obama got here, it will be open when he leaves, and it will be open when the next president arrives, and even if that's a republican, he'll leave it open on the way out. Globalisation doesn't fancy tight borders, business doesn't fancy tight borders. The borders not going to be secured.
 
APACHERAT said:
You start interior enforcement of enforcing our immigration laws and they will stop coming.

We need another "Operation Wetback" that President Eisenhower ordered. Round up and deport everyone who's not suppose to be here.

And the bleeding heart liberals don't want to break up the illegal alien families so send their anchor babies with them.
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Part of curbing illegal immigration is substantial, I mean painful penalties for businesses that hire illegals. Republicans tend not to like that, but its imperative.
 
Montecresto said:
Part of curbing illegal immigration is substantial, I mean painful penalties for businesses that hire illegals. Republicans tend not to like that, but its imperative.
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I concur, infact that was suppose to be part of the IRA of 1986.

But when Reagan put Harold Ezel in charge to enforce the law, it wasn't Republicans who were yelling racist.

One problem with the 1986 IRA was employing an illegal alien was a civil offense not a criminal act. Today it is a criminal act and how many employers are sitting in jail ?

We have to start throwing employers in jail not just having them pay a little fine.

NAFTA is also another problem, it has to go and chalked up as one stupid mistake made by greedy stupid people.
 
APACHERAT said:
I concur, infact that was suppose to be part of the IRA of 1986.

But when Reagan put Harold Ezel in charge to enforce the law, it wasn't Republicans who were yelling racist.

One problem with the 1986 IRA was employing an illegal alien was a civil offense not a criminal act. Today it is a criminal act and how many employers are sitting in jail ?

We have to start throwing employers in jail not just having them pay a little fine.

NAFTA is also another problem, it has to go and chalked up as one stupid mistake made by greedy stupid people.
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Wow! I agree with an entire post of yours!!:)
 
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