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Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

Remember when the most popular liberal mantra used to be telling the government to "Stay OUT of our bedrooms!!!"
yeah, those were good days. Any chance we could go back to that? please?

I'm afraid iguanaman is two steps away from self-immolation on this issue. Calm down pal. If the women want to have sex that badly they will squirrel away enough money to get what they need. trust me
 
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disneydude said:
Sadly, this decision will probably result in an increase in abortions. Good job Christian lobby group!
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Meanwhile they keep buying their cheap goods from China so in effect hobby lobby is funding state sponsored post birth abortions per their one child per family law. I question their morality angle.
 
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poweRob said:
Meanwhile they keep buying their cheap goods from China so in effect hobby lobby is funding state sponsored post birth abortions per their one child per family law. I question their morality angle.
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SCOTUS was only looking at the Constitution. China was irrelevant.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I didn't realize Hobby Lobby had US constitutional rights that extended to China. Do you also believe that all other American companies who do business in China, the Middle East, Africa, etc. should cease because the cultures and politics in those lands are contrary to the Judeo-Christian values that America was founded on?
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Only if they say this

Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill.
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If they were really true to their statement, they would have never open a company in China. They wasn't force to do business in China, and they knew the conditions of the Chinese government before they open shop. So please explain to me why they chose profit over beliefs?

Its funny how people can place their Christian beliefs in the closet when they can make money
 
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ludin said:
since HL supplies birth control coverage that argument is moot.
i can't believe people are still strawmaning that argument.
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And even if HL did refuse those supposedly 'medically necessary' birth control meds, they would not prevent anybody from getting them some other way than through HL's group insurance plan. There was a time in America that almost nobody's health insurance covered routine stuff that people could pay for out of pocket--doctor's visits, routine vaccinations, routine prescriptions, etc. And such things, including healthcare insurance, were a hell of a lot more affordable then too because the free market will manage to find a way to offer products people can afford to buy or else the products can't be sold and have no value.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
Remember when the most popular liberal mantra used to be telling the government to "Stay OUT of our bedrooms!!!"
yeah, those were good days. Any chance we could go back to that? please?

I'm afraid iguanaman is two steps away from self-immolation on this issue. Calm down pal. If the women want to have sex that badly they will squirrel away enough money to get what they need. trust me
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Stay out of our bedrooms, but pay for anything that results from activity in our bedrooms.

Interesting thought process, yes?
 
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rcart76 said:
Only if they say this



If they were really true to their statement, they would have never open a company in China. They wasn't force to do business in China, and they knew the conditions of the Chinese government before they open shop. So please explain to me why they chose profit over beliefs?

Its funny how people can place their Christian beliefs in the closet when they can make money
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China has nothing to do with this thread.
 
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tres borrachos said:
SCOTUS was only looking at the Constitution. China was irrelevant.
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Bull crap. They made their ruling while standing on partisan pulpits. Hence the usual 5-4 conservative/liberal split.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
Remember when the most popular liberal mantra used to be telling the government to "Stay OUT of our bedrooms!!!"
yeah, those were good days. Any chance we could go back to that? please?

I'm afraid iguanaman is two steps away from self-immolation on this issue. Calm down pal. If the women want to have sex that badly they will squirrel away enough money to get what they need. trust me
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One of the monthly lube purchases going to birth control is all it would take. :)

Yeah, I'd wish the government would stay the hell out of the bedroom, the bathroom, the entire house.
 
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Papa bull said:
Which of those birth control pills used for other treatment purposes are among the four morning after pills? Last I checked, none of the four "emergency birth control" pills in this decision are prescribed for any other purpose.
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Apparently the only way to clear up acne is with the morning after pill.
 
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poweRob said:
Bull crap. They made their ruling while standing on partisan pulpits. Hence the usual 5-4 conservative/liberal split.
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Evidence that SCOTUS was tasked with anything but applying the Constitution to their ruling?
Evidence that the 4 dissenting judges dissented because of Hobby Lobby's business dealings in China?

I'll wait.
 
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jimbo said:
Then there's the VA, the longest running single payer system in the world. We never seem to learn from our mistakes.
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Va is awesome care. Vets by a wide margin like their va care. Its yet another example where conservatives blow holes in effective government programs so they can stick to their mantra of how government doesn't work. Just like theyve done to medicare. Just like they've done to the post office. Its history of the GOP repeating itself.
 
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eohrnberger said:
One of the monthly lube purchases going to birth control is all it would take. :)

Yeah, I'd wish the government would stay the hell out of the bedroom, the bathroom, the entire house.
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I wish they'd stay out of my lightbulb supply and my refrigerator, and while they're at it, stay the hell out of my car and my tire pressure, too.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Evidence that SCOTUS was tasked with anything but applying the Constitution to their ruling?
Evidence that the 4 dissenting judges dissented because of Hobby Lobby's business dealings in China?

I'll wait.
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Sure. The evidence is that they say this ruling works for this particular brand of Christianity but not other religions and their possible beefs with the aca. Its like bush v gore all over again in that the conservative justices not only fabricate law but then state that they want it applied unevenly. That is not how a nation of laws works. Except according to conservative justices apparently.

This had nothing to do with the constitution. It had to do with politics.
 
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poweRob said:
Sure. The evidence is that they say this ruling works for this particular brand of Christianity but not other religions and their possible beefs with the aca. Its like bush v gore all over again in that the conservative justices not only fabricate law but then state that they want it applied unevenly. That is unconstitutional... Just not according to conservative justices apparently.
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Bush v Gore isn't being discussed either.

Please show evidence that the SCOTUS judges who ruled against HL took into account HL's business dealings in China when handing down their dissent.

Also, please show me evidence that SCOTUS is supposed to weigh in on or rule on the morality of the plaintiff when they hand down a decision.
 
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tres borrachos said:
China has nothing to do with this thread.
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With all due respect I have to disagree.


The SCOTUS allowed Hobby Lobby to play the religion card in order to get out of paying for mandated item.
 
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rcart76 said:
With all due respect I have to disagree.


The SCOTUS allowed Hobby Lobby to play the religion card in order to get out of paying for mandated item.
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SCOTUS isn't tasked with analyzing the plaintiff's business dealings in another country when it's irrelevant to the issue they were reviewing.
 
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Fenton said:
Great news !

Saw some Democrat Politician hack on Chris Wallace's show yesterday.

He equated a HL win to " discrimination ".

Unbelievable.
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Discrimination? :lamo

I suppose all policies now are discrimination?

These pols can be hilarious at times because they're so ignorant. It makes you wonder how these clowns got elected in the first place.

Oh yeah -- straight ticket democrat voters......... Kinda like how Alvin Green was elected.
 
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This is completely insane. Corporations should not get to pick and choose which parts of the law they want to follow. People don't get to do that. No amount of sincere (or feigned) belief entitles a person to special treatment under the law.
 
Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

rcart76 said:
Only if they say this



If they were really true to their statement, they would have never open a company in China. They wasn't force to do business in China, and they knew the conditions of the Chinese government before they open shop. So please explain to me why they chose profit over beliefs?

Its funny how people can place their Christian beliefs in the closet when they can make money
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I'm sorry - would you like to provide a link for me that indicates that Hobby Lobby both has ownership of companies in China and that those companies are required to provide the certain forms of contraceptives listed in Hobby Lobby's statement as a requirement of doing business in China?
 
Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

rcart76 said:
With all due respect I have to disagree.


The SCOTUS allowed Hobby Lobby to play the religion card in order to get out of paying for mandated item.
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I doubt costs were the motivation behind Hobby Lobby at all. This isnt a particularly costly health care line item compared with others.
 
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poweRob said:
Bull crap. They made their ruling while standing on partisan pulpits. Hence the usual 5-4 conservative/liberal split.
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I feel your pain, does that make me a liberal?
 
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While I do not subscribe to any mainstream religion, I believe that employers of sincere religious conviction should not be forced by the federal government to partake of a venture that violates the core of their beliefs. Birth control and abortion are two such beliefs.

Personally, I've been buying birth control out of pocket, for years; it's not that expensive.

However, there are some birth control regimens, such a Depo Provera, which has a side effect of preventing painful menstrual cramps and is used by many woman for that effect.
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