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Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmembers to

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apdst said:
She doesn't get paid! That's the part you seem to be ignoring...lol!
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She does get paid to take care of her son.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
They are getting paid.
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again it was a narrow ruling that only affect some healthcare workers no all and only in home care workers.
it was people that didn't want to join the union.

"If we accepted Illinois' argu*ment, we would approve an unprecedented violation of the bedrock principle that, except perhaps in the rarest of circumstances, no person in this country may be compelled to subsidize speech by a third party that he or she does not wish to support," Justice Samuel Alito said in the majority opinion. "The First Amendment prohibits the collection of an agency fee from personal assistants in the Rehabilitation Program who do not want to join or support the union."

It was a win for people that just want to take care of their family and or friends.
 
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apdst said:
Link?
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Snip- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ctor-unions-could-radically-change-this-week/
That unit includes Pamela Harris. She gets paid to take care of her developmentally disabled son, and led the opposition to the SEIU when her program's workers voted in 2009. Now, instead of getting paid a flat rate decided on by a collective bargaining agreement, those home care workers negotiate directly with the Medicaid recipient, who receives a certain amount of money that can be used for various types of treatment.
 
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apdst said:
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from what i have seen the state gives private in home care people money that they would otherwise spend on them at in institution only it is cheaper.
they are not eligable for any other state benefits including pensions, vacation or healthcare benefits.

Illinois law excludes such in-home caregivers from retirement and health insurance plans and the state does not assume liability for actions taken during the course of their employment, Judge Samuel Alito noted.

"Illinois deems personal assistants to be state employees for one purpose only, collective bargaining," Alito wrote

so it was a scam by the union to just sit back collect union dues and these people got nothing in return. it is the same scam they were running in MI that just ended.
 
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ludin said:
from what i have seen the state gives private in home care people money that they would otherwise spend on them at in institution only it is cheaper.
they are not eligable for any other state benefits including pensions, vacation or healthcare benefits.

Illinois law excludes such in-home caregivers from retirement and health insurance plans and the state does not assume liability for actions taken during the course of their employment, Judge Samuel Alito noted.

"Illinois deems personal assistants to be state employees for one purpose only, collective bargaining," Alito wrote

so it was a scam by the union to just sit back collect union dues and these people got nothing in return. it is the same scam they were running in MI that just ended.
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Collective bargaining is what help more than double her pay:
Every morning, Johnson gets up early, and helps Kenneth bathe, preps his food, washes his clothes. When he was younger, it was just something she did as a mother, to keep the state from putting him in a mental institution. But since the late 1990s, when she retired from her job as a cashier at a grocery store, caring for her son has been paid work. She started at around $5 an hour, from a state program that reimburses Medicaid recipients for home-based personal assistants. After the program's employees organized with the Service Employees International Union in 2003, the wage got bargained up to $11.85 an hour, and will rise to $13 in December. Public sector unions could radically change this week - The Washington Post
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Collective bargaining is what help more than double her pay:
Every morning, Johnson gets up early, and helps Kenneth bathe, preps his food, washes his clothes. When he was younger, it was just something she did as a mother, to keep the state from putting him in a mental institution. But since the late 1990s, when she retired from her job as a cashier at a grocery store, caring for her son has been paid work. She started at around $5 an hour, from a state program that reimburses Medicaid recipients for home-based personal assistants. After the program's employees organized with the Service Employees International Union in 2003, the wage got bargained up to $11.85 an hour, and will rise to $13 in December. Public sector unions could radically change this week - The Washington Post
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she got nothing else she was not an actual employee of the state. she was only used to get more money and had union dues taken out.
an actual employee of the state would have received pension, health benefits, etc ...

alito was correct. she was only an employee in as much as collective bargaining you backed up his point very well.
 
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ludin said:
she got nothing else she was not an actual employee of the state. she was only used to get more money and had union dues taken out.
an actual employee of the state would have received pension, health benefits, etc ...

alito was correct. she was only an employee in as much as collective bargaining you backed up his point very well.
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If you read the article, the people that didn't have collective bargaining rights made $5.00 an hour until 2003 when they gained those rights by organizing. Since then, they will have nearly triple that pay to $13.00 an hour. If it wasn't for collective bargaining, those people would still be making bottom of the barrel wages. This case can hurt them quite a bit.
 
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Papa bull said:
Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmembers to pay fees.

This is a win for constitutional rights but a big setback for unions. It looks like "fair share fees" are, by their very nature, unconstitutional.

Supreme Court: Home health-care workers can
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Unions were forcing non-union members to pay fees/dues?

Yeah, that is called stealing -- or even more so extortion. It's down right wrong!

Who are these progressive clowns? the mafia???

I don't even understand how they get away with this type of insanity or criminal behavior.

IMO, this isn't a matter for the SCOTUS but for the DOJ or FBI considering it's criminal.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Unions were forcing non-union members to pay fees/dues?

Yeah, that is called stealing -- or even more so extortion. It's down right wrong!

Who are these progressive clowns? the mafia???

I don't even understand how they get away with this type of insanity or criminal behavior.

IMO, this isn't a matter for the SCOTUS but for the DOJ or FBI considering it's criminal.
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It was even worse they were labeled state employee's even though they didn't get any other benefits. just so they would have to join the union.

SEIU Membership Drops 80 Percent After Dues Skim Ends [Michigan Capitol Confidential]
almost the same scam they were running in MI. until it got shot down.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Unions were forcing non-union members to pay fees/dues?

Yeah, that is called stealing -- or even more so extortion. It's down right wrong!

Who are these progressive clowns? the mafia???

I don't even understand how they get away with this type of insanity or criminal behavior.

IMO, this isn't a matter for the SCOTUS but for the DOJ or FBI considering it's criminal.
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No, the workers had voted to have collective bargaining rights. Pam Harris doesn't speak for the majority.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
So, you don't really have a real discussion? Just here to hurl insults?
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When you flat out lie about facts, what discussion is being had? You loe, we correct ypu, you spew seiu talking points.
 
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MrVicchio said:
When you flat out lie about facts, what discussion is being had? You loe, we correct ypu, you spew seiu talking points.
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Care to point out where I lied?
 
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Right to work should be federal mandate. Individuals shouldn't be forced into joining a union, and they certainly shouldn't be forced to pay dues if they choose not to join a union.

Who the **** do these people think they are????


They can shove their "local 101" nonsense up their asses.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, the workers had voted to have collective bargaining rights. Pam Harris doesn't speak for the majority.
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You're right she is an individual who can speak for herself -- she is no collectivist clown like most union members are.

She has the right to go tell the union to **** off and if they don't like that then who ****ing cares????

The ****ing audacity of the union trying to charge her union dues is CRIMINAL....
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Care to point out where I lied?
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Claiming that homecare workers are state employees, that these family members get some benefit as "employees" and that this isn't just a bald faced theft by politicians to empower and enrich unions they are beholden too.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
You're right she is an individual who can speak for herself -- she is no collectivist clown like most union members are.

She has the right to go tell the union to **** off and if they don't like that then who ****ing cares????

The ****ing audacity of the union trying to charge her union dues is CRIMINAL....
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Any person that receives benefits in wages through collective bargaining should at the very least pay for that privilege, otherwise she gets higher wages off the back of someone else who will probably need to pay more to make up for that loss in funding. Unless, these people are willing to revoke any wage gains made through collective bargaining.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Snip- Public sector unions could radically change this week - The Washington Post
That unit includes Pamela Harris. She gets paid to take care of her developmentally disabled son, and led the opposition to the SEIU when her program's workers voted in 2009. Now, instead of getting paid a flat rate decided on by a collective bargaining agreement, those home care workers negotiate directly with the Medicaid recipient, who receives a certain amount of money that can be used for various types of treatment.
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A blog is the best you can do?
 
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apdst said:
A blog is the best you can do?
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Why can't I use this blog? As long as we have the facts, that is all that counts.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Any person that receives benefits in wages through collective bargaining should at the very least pay for that privilege, otherwise she gets higher wages off the back of someone else who will probably need to pay more to make up for that loss in funding. Unless, these people are willing to revoke any wage gains made through collective bargaining.
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No, that is wrong - it's criminal............

There are plenty of trades that "set the stage for wage" that aren't union......

Besides your argument is speculation at best...

There needs to be a criminal investigation here, because what I read sounds like extortion mafia style.... A ****ing shake down.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
No, that is wrong - it's criminal............

There are plenty of trades that "set the stage for wage" that aren't union......

Besides your argument is speculation at best...

There needs to be a criminal investigation here, because what I read sounds like extortion mafia style.... A ****ing shake down.
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Pure paranoia:roll:
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Pure paranoia:roll:
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Yeah, OK.... Typical progressive answer....

Maybe you can call me racist next???
 
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Papa bull said:
Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmembers to pay fees.



This is a win for constitutional rights but a big setback for unions. It looks like "fair share fees" are, by their very nature, unconstitutional.

Supreme Court: Home health-care workers can
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This is great news.People shouldn't be forced to pay dues to a group they are not a part of.If an employer chooses to give what ever benefits he gives to union members to non-union members it is the employer's business not the union's.
 
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