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Emails: IRS official sought audit of GOP senator[W:217:241]

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nota bene said:
Was the invitation sent by e-mail? I thought Lerner and her colleague were just discussing her accidental receipt of the invitation and assumed it had been delivered by the Post Office because formal invitations still are.
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No, she apparently got it in the mail, based on Matthew's comment in the email exchange:

"Your and Grassley's invitations were placed in each other's envelopes." (12/4/12 email at 12:27 pm to Lois)
 
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polgara said:
I'm more interested in learning about how she was "accidently" sent the e-mail in the first place. When I send an e-mail, I have to type who the receiver is, and it goes to their computer. Period. Nowhere else. Curious....

Greetings, Derp. :2wave:
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It was mailed via USPS and it said something about the wrong envelopes, so whoever mailed it got her invitation mixed up with Grassley's envelope, and vice versa. Clerical error?
 
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pbrauer said:
How does that thought match the title of the AP story? It doesn't. Be sides her question wasn't out of the blue. She wrote: Looked like they were inappropriately offering to pay for his wife. Perhaps we should refer to Exam? She worked for the IRS, that's the way they think. :shrug:
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Have they given you a time for the re-training?

How could the reference in the email cause someone to assume any form of payment in this matter was inappropriate, warranting an IRS audit? Were you aware of the time frame, and Grassley's investigation going on at the time? Are we seeing revenge audits implied by her request to examine Grassley?

It's really all a bit foolish for the left to bury their heads and try to spin this very disturbing situation, but I am grateful the blindness is being exposed for all the public to learn from.
 
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Montecresto said:
Unfortunately the same way it did for Bush when his administration conveniently lost 22 million e-mails! Not a damn thing.

When the Bush White House lost 22 million emails, Darrell Issa didn't blame the President. He blamed IBM.

Issa Blamed IBM Software For Loss Of 22 Million Bush Emails | Crooks and Liars

HYPOCRISY WATCH: Lost IRS Email Outrage vs. Lost Bush White House Email Amnesia
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But this is different because conservatives say it is, no move along, nothing to see here. :roll:
 
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tres borrachos said:
It was mailed via USPS and it said something about the wrong envelopes, so whoever mailed it got her invitation mixed up with Grassley's envelope, and vice versa. Clerical error?
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Oh definitely - no doubt about it! But I think I'm missing something here - where did the e-mail that has suddenly been found- the one which she supposedly received in error, enter the picture? The topic was about "accidently" destroyed e-mails, not the USPS delivering a letter. :confused:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:
 
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polgara said:
Oh definitely - no doubt about it! But I think I'm missing something here - where did the e-mail that has suddenly been found- the one which she supposedly received in error, enter the picture? The topic was about "accidently" destroyed e-mails, not the USPS delivering a letter. :confused:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:
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Morning Pol!

Maybe I don't know the entire story, but I don't know about any emails she received in error, just the invitation was received in error (via USPS, presumably, because of the mention of the "envelopes"). What email did she get in error?
 
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polgara said:
I'm more interested in learning about how she was "accidently" sent the e-mail in the first place. When I send an e-mail, I have to type who the receiver is, and it goes to their computer. Period. Nowhere else. Curious....

Greetings, Derp. :2wave:
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It wasn't an email. It was a paper invitation and whoever sent them switcher hers and Grassleys when stuffing the envelopes.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Morning Pol!

Maybe I don't know the entire story, but I don't know about any emails she received in error, just the invitation was received in error (via USPS, presumably, because of the mention of the "envelopes"). What email did she get in error?
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Pbrauer posted some copies of e-mails yesterday. In reading those, I see I am in error in thinking the invitation came by e-mail - which was the reason why I questioned how an e-mail could be sent to the wrong person when you have to type in where it goes. The e-mails in question between her and her attorney? are on an entirely different matter - she apparently was targeting Grassley on travel expenses for his wife, and was that legal? Apparently it is. Still important, because of the targeting of a member from the Republican party, which is the reason for the IRS scandal in the first place, I guess. I didn't know till you mentioned it this morning that the invite came via the USPS. Sorry, tres. My mistake.
*embarrassed*
 
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polgara said:
Pbrauer posted some copies of e-mails yesterday. In reading those, I see I am in error in thinking the invitation came by e-mail - which was the reason why I questioned how an e-mail could be sent to the wrong person when you have to type in where it goes. The e-mails in question between her and her attorney? are on an entirely different matter - she apparently was targeting Grassley on travel expenses for his wife, and was that legal? Apparently it is. Still important, because of the targeting of a member from the Republican party, which is the reason for the IRS scandal in the first place, I guess. I didn't know till you mentioned it this morning that the invite came via the USPS. Sorry, tres. My mistake.
*embarrassed*
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You should never be embarrassed. You're one of the most decent people on this site (and on any message board for that matter).
 
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Lutherf said:
It wasn't an email. It was a paper invitation and whoever sent them switcher hers and Grassleys when stuffing the envelopes.
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I know now - and I am embarrassed because I had originally questioned how an e-mail could be sent to the wrong person. *face very red about my mistake* I have already smacked myself, BTW. :lol:

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:
 
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nota bene said:
No, you aren't imagining that or the email recipient's reply [bolding mine]:

The other IRS official, Matthew Giuliano, waved her off, saying an audit would be premature because Grassley hadn't even accepted the invitation.

"It would be Grassley who would need to report the income," Giuliano said. Emails: IRS official sought audit of GOP senator

Also according to the Yahoo article, Senator Grassley never did receive an invitation and did not attend the event.

Why was Lerner so interested and eager? Well, also according to the Yahoo article, "Grassley had been an outspoken critic of the way the IRS policed tax-exempt groups even before the tea party controversy erupted last year."
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I think that is the important takeaway from this email exchange. It gives us a window into Lois Lerner's head. She receives and letter which shows that a Senator's wife may receive income from a source, but nothing has happened yet, nor has the Senator even been given the chance to RECEIVE the income, much less report it to the IRS, and dumb ass Lerner wonders if she should send it up for an audit.
 
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polgara said:
I know now - and I am embarrassed because I had originally questioned how an e-mail could be sent to the wrong person. *face very red about my mistake* I have already smacked myself, BTW. :lol:

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:
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Well, considering all the email issues that have been in the news it wasn't an unreasonable assumption.

Also, if you've smacked yourself do you need someone to rub the sore spot?;)
 
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tres borrachos said:
You should never be embarrassed. You're one of the most decent people on this site (and on any message board for that matter).
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If I had made that mistake in the business world, I would have been called on the carpet for it! Maybe a Reading Comprehension course is not a bad idea for me! And :thanks: for your kind words! *hug*
 
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Lutherf said:
Well, considering all the email issues that have been in the news it wasn't an unreasonable assumption.

Also, if you've smacked yourself do you need someone to rub the sore spot?;)
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A hug would be welcomed if you have a spare one handy! :lol: Those of us with apparent ADD need lots of hugs!
 
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jmotivator said:
I think that is the important takeaway from this email exchange. It gives us a window into Lois Lerner's head. She receives and letter which shows that a Senator's wife may receive income from a source, but nothing has happened yet, nor has the Senator even been given the chance to RECEIVE the income, much less report it to the IRS, and dumb ass Lerner wonders if she should send it up for an audit.
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I don't think Lerner is dumb. Not at all. Venal and ethically bankrupt, yes. She thought she saw an opportunity and tried to seize it. Grassley was very critical of the IRS, so this must have been a thrilling potential "Gotcha!" for Lerner.

What remains troubling is the fact that while we know about this attempt to overreach, we don't know anything about who-knows-how-many e-mails that were "lost" because of a "hard drive crash."
 
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polgara said:
I know now - and I am embarrassed because I had originally questioned how an e-mail could be sent to the wrong person. *face very red about my mistake* I have already smacked myself, BTW. :lol:

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:
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Never beat yourself up in a forum on the internet, it's red meat for people like me. :2razz:
 
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AJiveMan said:
Never beat yourself up in a forum on the internet, it's red meat for people like me. :2razz:
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If you would be willing to cut me some slack, I'll luv you forever - cross my heart! :lol:

Greetings, AJiveMan. :2wave:
 
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AJiveMan said:
But this is different because conservatives say it is, no move along, nothing to see here. :roll:
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True, but don't kid yourself, the left does the exact same thing. The partisan is responsible for ALL Washington corruption. Because nobody holds their own party responsible for wrong doing, they blame the other party. In fact AJiveMan, partisan democrats don't believe their party does any wrong, defends their party to the end and is conversely highly critical and condemning of the Republican Party, and ditto in reverse. Nothing can be repaired like that.
 
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Montecresto said:
True, but don't kid yourself, the left does the exact same thing. The partisan is responsible for ALL Washington corruption. Because nobody holds their own party responsible for wrong doing, they blame the other party. In fact AJiveMan, partisan democrats don't believe their party does any wrong, defends their party to the end and is conversely highly critical and condemning of the Republican Party, and ditto in reverse. Nothing can be repaired like that.
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I recall the Nixon days very, very well. Me and my pot smoking friends (damned liburuls) all sat around a living room with a tape recorder running, all the while imitating Haldeman and Nixon voices (I am not a crook) for hours, laughing our asses off.
Oh, we drank a lot of Ripple and MD 20/20 too, talk about blitzed. :peace
 
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Montecresto said:
Unfortunately the same way it did for Bush when his administration conveniently lost 22 million e-mails! Not a damn thing.

When the Bush White House lost 22 million emails, Darrell Issa didn't blame the President. He blamed IBM.

Issa Blamed IBM Software For Loss Of 22 Million Bush Emails | Crooks and Liars

HYPOCRISY WATCH: Lost IRS Email Outrage vs. Lost Bush White House Email Amnesia
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But they eventually found the mislabeled backups.
 
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AJiveMan said:
But this is different because conservatives say it is, no move along, nothing to see here. :roll:
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There was nothing to see, because when the mislabeled backups were found, nobody made noise about them.

You know the opposition would have if there was dirt in them.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
But they eventually found the mislabeled backups.
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You mean they weren't lucky enough to have the laws of probability stretched beyond all known multiples via simultaneous hard drive crashes occurring to specific people involved?

Dang, some people are lucky, and I guess some people make their luck.
 
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Lutherf said:
It wasn't an email. It was a paper invitation and whoever sent them switcher hers and Grassleys when stuffing the envelopes.
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Even that sounds fishy. I understand she sent the email targeting Grassley with an "exam" over her blackberry. Is that the smoking gun in retrieving these lost emails or has her blackberry crashed too?
 
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