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Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

TheNextEra said:
If you don't want to lose the war, what are you doing here? You should volunteer to go over there. Hurry up you stud you. What are you doing on an internet chat board, go win the war. What are you waiting for?
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The left has made it clear they will lose a war for politics. Not even the best military can prevent that.
 
TheNextEra said:
If you don't want to lose the war, what are you doing here? You should volunteer to go over there. Hurry up you stud you. What are you doing on an internet chat board, go win the war. What are you waiting for?
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I think the dudes pushing 80!!
 
More false equivalency--as if Putie has the same constraints on him as Obama does.
US Conservative said:
Putin is riding a populist wave,
his sabre rattling and interactions with the west are WHY he's so popular-hes the warhawk.
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Notice how nobody knew the Syrian warplanes were coming--since word wasn't leaked by Putin's Congress.
Different from the USA's Congress huh ?
 
US Conservative said:
Im probably more informed than you are. But my comment still stands-you dont appease these people or it WILL get worse. Crack open a history book.
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Such arrogance has clouded your reason. You probably think you're more informed than everybody here. An impossible thing for you to know that you are more informed than another poster you don't even know.
 
Montecresto said:
Who's talking about VP power? You brought up Biden to bolster your argument that democrats supported the invasion.
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At the time Biden was not VP, he was part of congress and very much supported the war. Of course, he magically switched sides and dems forgot about his words once you all decided you valued your parties politics over American security.
 
Montecresto said:
That's hardly all Roosevelt did, that was just the part congress was privy to and supported.
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Since the isolationist Republicans in that congress couldn't be trusted either--
today's GOPs are worse since it's both ISOs and NEOs who can't be trusted .
 
US Conservative said:
The left has made it clear they will lose a war for politics. Not even the best military can prevent that.
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Avoiding war all together is both attainable and the best policy, unless you're a war hawk of course.
 
NIMBY said:
More false equivalency--as if Putie has the same constraints on him as Obama does.

Notice how nobody knew the Syrian warplanes were coming--since word wasn't leaked by Putin's Congress.
Different from the USA's Congress huh ?
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Uhh, no he doesn't. The russians dont hate themselves like the American left does. They are nationalist and love what Putin is doing.

Obama would faint at the idea of being a nationalist. :cool:
 
US Conservative said:
The russians dont hate themselves like the American left does.
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I haven't noticed the American Left hating on itself one iota dude.
I have noticed the right-wing TEAs hating all over the RINOs today after their shennanigans using Cochran DEMs. :lamo
Your next two Senate primaries to watch are on August 5th and 7th, with KS and TN.
Obama would faint at the idea of being a nationalist. :cool:
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Your continued good will towards Obama is noted and dismissed . :peace
 
Montecresto said:
Well most democrats that supported the Iraq war have flipped on it. Only the original war hawks stand by it.
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Please don't forget that the democrats were all for invading Iraq in the late 90's. A bill was passed and Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act.

So...

Did they flip for political reasons, or actual merit. This matters as well.

When new information becomes available, it is appropriate for someone to change their mind. On a serious matter like going to war, shouldn't the information be real good?

This gives a better view of Cheney's reasoning if you watch between the 29:35 and 38:05 time index. The YouTube snippet starts at 36:07.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?58277-1/life-career-dick-cheney
 
TheNextEra said:
We should have stayed out of the ME period. Either way, the fact remains that Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney was correct. The fact we toppled Saddam made it exponentially worse.
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Hindsight is 20-20...

What about the Iraqi Liberation Act?
 
Montecresto said:
Japan bombed us after a major, albeit quiet campaign against Japan designed to illicit such an attack, well documented this is in secretary Stimsons diary. A Gallop poll in April of 42 had 80% of Americans steadfastly against US involvement in another world war. A huge impediment for any president. Simultaneously, Germany was being provoked as well, only Hitler knew better than to take the bait. The day after the anticipated attack on PH, the same Gallop poll nicely reversed.
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yeah, I know some of it. how the embargo of iron and steel, scrap metal and oil to Japan along with other things. But personally I think it was a good thing we did get involved when we did. I know FDR would have continued to look and provoke, but without the United States involvement Hitler might have ended up victorious. After consolidating Europe and Russia who know what Hitler would have done. The same for Japan, even with our involvement in the Pacific, she did get awful close to Australia. Sometimes it is for the best things happened as they did.
 
US Conservative said:
To be honest I dont blame the events in ME on any American-because this goes back much longer than we can imagine. American Presidents like to think they can change that region but they can't. We dont even have the frame of reference. However-I can and DO hold our President responsible for the things he can and does control, like withdrawing troops of leaving the ME to extremists who WILL attack us.

Im less concerned about "protecting" our military by withdrawing them. The point is to fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. Our military WANTS to do this. Its polictics-and the willingness to lose for political purposes that drives me nuts.

I think a particularly fitting outcome from our "open minded" liberals would be to ship them to the west bank, or ISIS, or Afghanistan. Let them get acquainted, surely they will come to an understanding. :cool:
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I get the part about fighting terror over there and not here. But that isn't going to be a successful avenue as long as Obama is in office. The left treats terrorists like victims of their circumstances. It was Nancy Pelosi and her entourage against the Bush administration's plea that sought an audience with Assad. It was Jimmy Carter against the Bush administration that sought an audience with the terrorist group Hezbollah. It was President Obama that opened the White House to the Brotherhood and it was reported that officials in the Obama administration met with the terrorist group Hamas. The Obama administration was slow to declare Boko Haram a terrorist organization while the carnage and pleas for help from others to do so went on for years. This isn't how you deal with terrorists and those who harbor them. If they were really concerned with terrorism, do you think our borders would be so porous? Heck no. They are fargin clueless and as long as the clueless are in charge, bring our soldiers home, they deserve better.
 
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Montecresto said:
Avoiding war all together is both attainable and the best policy, unless you're a war hawk of course.
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LOL...

You need to listen to what Cheney says in the video I posted in #162, after speaking of Iraq becoming a quagmire. Start at 37:22.
 
US Conservative said:
The left has made it clear they will lose a war for politics. Not even the best military can prevent that.
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Oh so you cant win the war got it. I thought you said you weren't going to lose this war. Yet here you are on an internet chat board admitting you can't win. So much fail in your comments it's funny.
 
US Conservative said:
At the time Biden was not VP, he was part of congress and very much supported the war. Of course, he magically switched sides and dems forgot about his words once you all decided you valued your parties politics over American security.
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How many times must you be told, I value neither parties politics. I just finished criticising Biden didn't I though? I support a scant amount of Obama policies.
 
Perotista said:
yeah, I know some of it. how the embargo of iron and steel, scrap metal and oil to Japan along with other things. But personally I think it was a good thing we did get involved when we did. I know FDR would have continued to look and provoke, but without the United States involvement Hitler might have ended up victorious. After consolidating Europe and Russia who know what Hitler would have done. The same for Japan, even with our involvement in the Pacific, she did get awful close to Australia. Sometimes it is for the best things happened as they did.
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That wasn't the point. The point was that we have had presidents that have been deceitful with the American people to garner support for war, whether or not you agree with the presidents actions in hind sight.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Hindsight is 20-20...

What about the Iraqi Liberation Act?
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What about Operation Iraqi Liberation or OIL!! Suddenly changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom so as to not be so obvious.
 
NIMBY said:
I haven't noticed the American Left hating on itself one iota dude.
I have noticed the right-wing TEAs hating all over the RINOs today after their shennanigans using Cochran DEMs. :lamo
Your next two Senate primaries to watch are on August 5th and 7th, with KS and TN.

Your continued good will towards Obama is noted and dismissed . :peace
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It hates on the US. Russia doesn't hate itself yet. I will see you that tuesday in november. Its not going to be pretty.
 
vesper said:
I get the part about fighting terror over there and not here. But that isn't going to be a successful avenue as long as Obama is in office. The left treats terrorists like victims of their circumstances. It was Nancy Pelosi and her entourage against the Bush administration's plea that sought an audience with Assad. It was Jimmy Carter against the Bush administration that sought an audience with the terrorist group Hezbollah. It was President Obama that opened the White House to the Brotherhood and it was reported that officials in the Obama administration met with the terrorist group Hamas. The Obama administration was slow to declare Boko Haram a terrorist organization while the carnage and pleas for help from others to do so went on for years. This isn't how you deal with terrorists and those who harbor them. If they were really concerned with terrorism, do you think our borders would be so porous? Heck no. They are fargin clueless and as long as the clueless are in charge, bring our soldiers home, they deserve better.
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I fully agree with you. The left has long established its willing to play politics with our safety. When there are threats we are told its the right trumping things up, and when terror is thwarted they are the first to take credit for it. Politics trumps national defense with the left-thats hard for many to realize-but its still absolutely true.

As I type, the dems are sending a wave of undocumented, unvaccinated illegal immigrants to the US, who are pouring through our borders. And all because they want votes. This is considered acceptable to the left.
 
Montecresto said:
What about Operation Iraqi Liberation or OIL!! Suddenly changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom so as to not be so obvious.
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LOL...

I see you are a conspiracy theorist.

LOL...

Why do you deflect my question when I point out the intent Clinton signed into law in 1998? Is it because you have to proper discourse?
 
TheNextEra said:
Oh so you cant win the war got it. I thought you said you weren't going to lose this war. Yet here you are on an internet chat board admitting you can't win. So much fail in your comments it's funny.
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WE can't win the war if the lefts politics of the President and his party wont let us. How about rooting for America for a change?
 
I thought the C-Span video I posted in #162 stopped about Iraq at 38:05 because they go into talking about Iowa. However, the discussion of security continues after that if anyone is interested.
 
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