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Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

Are you saying that the U.S. military should have stayed in perpetuity ?

No, the situation was ripe for its departure. I view that a good thing. No one could imagine Miliki would screw it up so bad. The situation was stable on the ground, the proper foundations laid, the military and the whole U.S. for that matter did all that could be expected. It is like we took a baby and taught it how to crawl and then to walk, how to run was up to the kid or in this case Iraq and Miliki. One can do only so much.
 
Thanks OBAMA!!!1!!!!!!!!!

Seriously? Can you make just one post without blaming Obama for things he has no bearing on? I'd sure as hell hate to be your dentist when you have a toothache.

Obama is in charge, and on his watch terrorist groups are spreading all over. Obama presided over the withdrawal of US military forces. Obama has selectively been fighting in the ME since he came into power. He's at the wheel.
 
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Does anyone else see something a bit incoherent here? Not to mention the whole "peace at the cost of millions dying" bit. USC... peace means NOT killing therefore if there are millions being killed its not peace.

People dying in the ME is the default state. Im talking about peace for the US, where we dont have to worry about a large terrorist nation called ISIS.

They can kill each other all they want-which is very much what they want.
 
Its a crap sandwich. But frankly thats the normal state of the ME. Obama almost armed those Sunni rebels as the FSA.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the arms given Turkey for deliver didn't make it into the bad guys hands.
 
No, the situation was ripe for its departure. I view that a good thing. No one could imagine Miliki would screw it up so bad. The situation was stable on the ground, the proper foundations laid, the military and the whole U.S. for that matter did all that could be expected. It is like we took a baby and taught it how to crawl and then to walk, how to run was up to the kid or in this case Iraq and Miliki. One can do only so much.

As per my post #99, I support the limited boots in special forces activities, liking blowing the **** out of their armor.
And protect refineries.
Syrian planes must have been given Putin's okay, so the lines are further drawn.
In the end, I'll stay with my original: this ISILS is like Spartacus and the slaves .
 
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the arms given Turkey for deliver didn't make it into the bad guys hands.
As long as he's going there, didn't McCain actually meet with some of these "new" bad guys ?
 
As per my post #99, I support the limited boots in special forces activities, liking blowing the **** out of their armor.
And protect refineries.
Syrian planes must have been given Putin's okay, so the lines are further drawn.
In the end, I'll stay with my original: this ISILS is like Spartacus and the slaves .

As I told someone else, either in this thread or another is that you need a program to figure all this mess out. We're sending in advisors and intel speciists to help Miliki. Syria and Assad, we are trying to overthrow Assad is now on Miliki's side and I presume makes him on our side too even if we are trying to over throw him. Iran is also on Miliki's side and we don't like Iran one bit and are trying to stop them getting nukes. Then there is the financial support of our supposedly allies going to ISIS, Saudi, Kuwait and Qatar. Now if Putin is indirectly back Miliki through Syria and Assad, what the heck is going on here?

Perhaps we should just stay out entirely or at least until this mess makes a bit more sense. By the way here is the latest Gallup Poll on Iraq.

Support for Iraq Military Action Low in Historical Context

Doing nothing seems what the majority of Americans want.
 
Look at all the democrats here saying Saddam had to go. You do realize Clinton designated regime change as the goal for Iraq, dont you?

Those of the left, often only know what the media pundits tell them.
 
As long as he's going there, didn't McCain actually meet with some of these "new" bad guys ?

I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. He met with some. Dang, life was so simple during the cold war, us vs. them.
 
You know how I feel about what Americans think during times like these.
I don't suppose Putin is too concerned about what his people think in an opinion poll either--neither should Obama.
And Putie doesn't have warhawks and isolationists from both parties biting at his heels either does he ?
As I told someone else, either in this thread or another is that you need a program to figure all this mess out. We're sending in advisors and intel speciists to help Miliki. Syria and Assad, we are trying to overthrow Assad is now on Miliki's side and I presume makes him on our side too even if we are trying to over throw him. Iran is also on Miliki's side and we don't like Iran one bit and are trying to stop them getting nukes. Then there is the financial support of our supposedly allies going to ISIS, Saudi, Kuwait and Qatar. Now if Putin is indirectly back Miliki through Syria and Assad, what the heck is going on here?

Perhaps we should just stay out entirely or at least until this mess makes a bit more sense. By the way here is the latest Gallup Poll on Iraq.

Support for Iraq Military Action Low in Historical Context

Doing nothing seems what the majority of Americans want.
 
I guess you're going to ignore the cheney video then. predictable.
Cheney's been trying to rewrite the history books from the day he left office.
He knew what was comin .
 
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I guess you're going to ignore the cheney video then. predictable.
Are you suggesting things haven't changed since that 1994 video?

Does you mind ever change as variables in your life change, or are you stuck on all the same thoughts you had 8 years earlier?
 
I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. He met with some. Dang, life was so simple during the cold war, us vs. them.

The problem is that there have been so many "thems" added since then, that it's difficult to find enough days in the week to keep them all straight - not to mention the fact that alliances keep shifting, so one is never sure if they're hating the right people on any given day! :mrgreen:

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:
 
Those of the left, often only know what the media pundits tell them.
Don't you have it the other way around Lord?
That the media pundits often only know what the left tells them.

And for the right also--as I see rebroadcast each day.
I'll give Cavuto kudos for lighting up M. Bachmann, member of Boehner's House Intelligence :lamo
 
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the arms given Turkey for deliver didn't make it into the bad guys hands.

Neither would I-thats par for the course there. Incidentally, there is interesting viewing and discussion here. Syrian Uprising - Photos & Videos - no discussion, no conversation - Page 1236

The discussion threads often have locals involved in the fighting making comments that no media source can effectively convey. Often, the events covered there become western news days later.
 
Are you suggesting things haven't changed since that 1994 video?

Does you mind ever change as variables in your life change, or are you stuck on all the same thoughts you had 8 years earlier?

What changed? The cheney in that video was 100% right in his prediction of what would happen if you took out saddam and took over Iraq. The only thing that changed was before, 1994 cheney was right, after 1994 cheney was right. Sooo... what's your point?
 
You know how I feel about what Americans think during times like these.
I don't suppose Putin is too concerned about what his people think in an opinion poll either--neither should Obama.
And Putie doesn't have warhawks and isolationists from both parties biting at his heels either does he ?

Putin is riding a populist wave, his sabre rattling and interactions with the west are WHY he's so popular-hes the warhawk.
 
What changed? The cheney in that video was 100% right in his prediction of what would happen if you took out saddam and took over Iraq. The only thing that changed was before, 1994 cheney was right, after 1994 cheney was right. Sooo... what's your point?

Cheney was the VP. I know you lefties can't stand him but its not terribly important. I just posted video with Biden saying we should go into Iraq.

Now what?
 
Cheney was the VP. I know you lefties can't stand him but its not terribly important. I just posted video with Biden saying we should go into Iraq.

Now what?

I posted a video waaayyy back now asking you to comment on Cheney's 1994 prediction of invading Iraq. And you are still running away from it. Why is that?
 
You know how I feel about what Americans think during times like these.
I don't suppose Putin is too concerned about what his people think in an opinion poll either--neither should Obama.
And Putie doesn't have warhawks and isolationists from both parties biting at his heels either does he ?

Putin can do pretty much what he wants. But before America takes military action she better makes sure she has the majority of people on her side. If the presidents wants to take military action, he better explain it in good detail why it is necessary to the American people and start convincing people. Especially members of his own party. I would advise after talking to the American people he also goes to congress for their okay. I am sure the Republicans would give him their votes on this, but could he get his own parties votes? This isn't Libya.

Iraq is such a mess, I hope advisers is all that is needed from us. But then you have a couple of shia clerics telling the U.S. to keep our advisers out of Iraq. That is all we need, the very people we are sending in advisers to help, them starting to kill our advisers. If it were me, I would be sitting on the sidelines for awhile longer. I wonder if old age hadn't turned this old warhawk into a dove, ala McGovern. Perhaps just more cautious than the rest, I mean having been there and done that. Abet from a different war.
 
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