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Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

Weve been attacked for many reasons, including our values-as they aren't radical islamist. But these terrorists dont just attack us-they attack nations that have nothing to do with "ME interference".

And the US has attacked for lots of reasons, including over non-existent WMD program's, oil, bananas, real estate, etc., but our interference in the ME is a documented reason for attacks against the West. Own it!
 
Netanyahu pretty much agrees with letting both sides kill each other. Neither one is our friend. However, I do think some aid should be supplied to the Kurds and others friendly to the US. Jordan is reporting of ISSA invading that country also. Other reports coming out have stated among the ISSA terrorists are approximately 1500 Brits and some Muslim Americans. That should be a wake up call for some but I doubt it. I see all those young men pouring through our open unprotected borders just about the same age as these terrorist fighters. That should be a wake up call as well. But I doubt it.

Of course, these guys have been sneaking through our southern border. An arab without a beard looks hispanic. We know that they have used cartels to smuggle people and equipment into the US for years. Its gets very little coverage.

As for the Kurds, I think a masterful move would be to get the Kurds to fight ISIS (there have been skirmishes) in exchange for territory or setting the foundation for a nation.
 
Facts don't matter to USC, its all about bashing democrats, well deserved, but as though the republicans are better! Partisans. At least he admits he's one.

Fact-under Obama the middle east has blown up and AQ and other terrorists have never had it better. Theres our hope and change.
 
Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People
Second Consecutive Day of Airstrikes by Syria Is Aimed at Shoring Up Iraqi Armed Forces

BAGHDAD—Syrian warplanes carried out airstrikes in western Iraq, stepping up the military role of the U.S. adversary in helping Baghdad's Shiite-dominated government fight Sunni insurgents.

The strikes on Tuesday came as the Pentagon announced that the first 130 members of a potential 300 U.S. military advisers were in place in Baghdad to start assessing and improving the Iraqi army's ability to counter the gains of rebels led by the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham.

Syrian Warplanes Strike Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People - WSJ

And the escalation continues. Under Obama our geopolitical adversaries fill the power vacuum.

All I can say is there is one heck of a mess in Iraq. The Shia government we installed has the backing of Iran, our enemy or adversary as we try to prevent them from getting nukes. The Shia government we installed has the backing of Syria and Assad, the same Assad we are attempting to overthrow or get rid of. The Shia government has our support. The Sunni Rebels are getting financial support from the Saudis, Kuwait and Qatar, our allies.

Does anybody have a scorecard or a program with all the names on it so I can keep it straight as to whom is involved and which side they are on?
 
Of course, these guys have been sneaking through our southern border. An arab without a beard looks hispanic. We know that they have used cartels to smuggle people and equipment into the US for years. Its gets very little coverage.

As for the Kurds, I think a masterful move would be to get the Kurds to fight ISIS (there have been skirmishes) in exchange for territory or setting the foundation for a nation.

That sounds like a plan I would support. :)
 
Btw, Russia and China correctly predicted that US interference in Syria would cause the conflict to spread throughout the region, but the 'rah rah, America never does anything wrong' crowd didn't listen then and is not listening, still!

Russia and China were right, because they can read our chump president like an open book. Our president is weak and ineffective, and quite content with surrender to terror.
 
The US hasnt been killing those folks...thats been the terrorists...the bad guys...and that number pales to the death tell Saddam was running up.

The war was the right thing to do. Bush screwed up the post war ops something fierce. Obama has consistently doubled down. Regardless...at the end of the day...the World loses with terrorist fundamentalist extremists controlling nations in the ME. The world should be engaging, not just the US. However...there is no reason why we should not be launching large scale drone attacks targeting terrorist groups. There is no reason why their uprising should be allowed to bloom into a full on rebellion and overthrow. NO ONE wins with ISIS and AL Qaeda in control there. They will make the Taliban look like pikers.

Absolutely. In context of the war on terror, it makes absolutely no sense to "end the wars" with a stronger and more formidable terrorist situation.
 
Of course, these guys have been sneaking through our southern border. An arab without a beard looks hispanic. We know that they have used cartels to smuggle people and equipment into the US for years. Its gets very little coverage.

As for the Kurds, I think a masterful move would be to get the Kurds to fight ISIS (there have been skirmishes) in exchange for territory or setting the foundation for a nation.

And what territory would we be stealing to give to the Kurds to build this new nation? I suppose you want to create even more enemies for the US!
 
Russia and China were right, because they can read our chump president like an open book. Our president is weak and ineffective, and quite content with surrender to terror.

Oh Obama has contributed to his share of the growing power of so called terrorist groups. Russia and China were right because Americas foreign policy in the ME has been wrong for decades.
 
Saddam didn't kill hundreds of thousands of people,

Absolutely incorrect. He probably killed over a million. Please read books.


Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"
IRAQ: Deaths under Saddam Hussein

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[14]

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
No, he did NOT kill far more, that's factually wrong, and yes, I would gladly take him back, not wishing to see him go in the first place, unless he could be replaced with something better. A task that the US is both unqualified for, and powerless to accomplish. And that's not profound either. 500,000 dead innocent civilians, 4,500 dead US servicemen/women and 1 trillion dollars wasted with Iraq far FAR worse off than when Saddam was in power, but keep deceiving yourself otherwise in your feeble attempt to defend BushCo.

Your partisanship prevents you from seeing the truth, and apparently causes you to desire for tyrannical dictators. Aint leftism grand?
 
The entire premise of the war on terror is that it was better to fight them there, rather than in NYC or LA. AQ will come here. THATS the issue.

And by "I", I mean me and my nation.

And that premise is false considering ALL sides do not like the U.S. You would rather US as a nation enter into a battle where nobody likes us and we become a target for BOTH sides. Sorry, but that is not smart at all and I'm glad Obama put a stop to it (I hope) and let Syria and Iran handle it.

I'd rather Iran and Syrian troops and money be spent rather than U.s. money and U.S. troops lives be spent for a country where a large portion of the TRAINED army just picked up and retreated without a fight.

You would rather lives and money be spent from the U.s. on a hopeless cause for people who don't even want us around.
 
And I can't believe we have people here who actually believe that the illegal Iraq war was won, first and a Bush success furthermore.

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-reports-raise-questions-about-loopholes?lite
 
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Your partisanship prevents you from seeing the truth, and apparently causes you to desire for tyrannical dictators. Aint leftism grand?

Pot calling the kettle black in regards to you calling partisanship on someone. you are one of the most partisan people here.
 
And the US has attacked for lots of reasons, including over non-existent WMD program's, oil, bananas, real estate, etc., but our interference in the ME is a documented reason for attacks against the West. Own it!

We attacked because Saddam violated the Ceasefire from Desert Storm. Repeatedly. We did find WMD's. We did find terrorists. And we cleaned them out.



Once again, if interference in the ME is the reason for these attacks then explain islamic terrorist attacks in regions that do NOT interfere. The world has a problem-its islamic terrorism-and they wont be appeased. Sorry if thats news.
 
And I can't believe we have people here who actually believe that the illegal Iraq war was won, first and a Bush success furthermore.

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

Militarily yes, politically no.
 
Your partisanship prevents you from seeing the truth, and apparently causes you to desire for tyrannical dictators. Aint leftism grand?

I happen to be one of only a few here that is an equal critic of both parties. Constantly pointing out that both parties are DESTROYING this country. You are the partisan.
 
And that premise is false considering ALL sides do not like the U.S. You would rather US as a nation enter into a battle where nobody likes us and we become a target for BOTH sides. Sorry, but that is not smart at all and I'm glad Obama put a stop to it (I hope) and let Syria and Iran handle it.

I'd rather Iran and Syrian troops and money be spent rather than U.s. money and U.S. troops lives be spent for a country where a large portion of the TRAINED army just picked up and retreated without a fight.

You would rather lives and money be spent from the U.s. on a hopeless cause for people who don't even want us around.

I could not care less who likes us in that filthy sand pit. These backwards relic terror thugs will learn you screw with this nation, and support terror you paint yourself as a target, and we will rain missiles and bombs down on you until we are satisfied.

Leaving that region to a terrorist state is not going to happen, even though libs would be fine with it.
 
Adding half a million casualties of war with Iran to Saddam's kill list is dishonest of you, but little surprise.

I didn't add anything. These people died because of a power hungry dictator. He invaded Iran. Years later he would invade Kuwait.

All the actions of a nut, who needed his second cervical vertebrae snapped.
 
Militarily yes, politically no.

Absolutely. I remember back to the troop surge, at the time it became clear to me that the left was willing to lose this war because of politics. That was an important lesson. Of course the surge worked, but those appeasing lefties are still around.
 
I could not care less who likes us in that filthy sand pit. These backwards relic terror thugs will learn you screw with this nation, and support terror you paint yourself as a target, and we will rain missiles and bombs down on you until we are satisfied.

Leaving that region to a terrorist state is not going to happen, even though libs would be fine with it.

People Like YOU who supported the war in Iraq left that region as a vacuum for terrorists when they toppled Saddam. Even Secretary of Defense Cheney knew this would happen. Sad Vice President Cheney forgot that.

And you can try and justify all you want about Saddam being a tyrant but there are MANY tyrants the U.s. has left in power even now so don't even try that excuse with me son. North Korea, Africa, Iran, etc. You have no cards to play on that one son.
 
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