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U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

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NIMBY said:
Not at all--your spin dear.
Revenues dropped in 2009, 2010, and 2011 from 2007 and 2008 levels.
Republicans own the Recession, and Americans were the loser.
Hence, a new party elected President .
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Got it, Republicans who lost the Congress in November 2006 are responsible for the economic results that led to a recession that began in December 2007 under Democrat Congressional leadership. Interesting revisionist history on your part that does nothing more than divert from the thread topic as well as the Obama economic results. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty and such low standards?
 
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NIMBY said:
Is this your retread Texas comment for the day--used multiple times already ?
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It is a question that liberals like you refuse to answer
 
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NIMBY said:
Is this your retread Texas comment for the day--used multiple times already ?
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It is a question that liberals like you refuse to answer
 
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NIMBY said:
Not at all--your spin dear.
Revenues dropped in 2009, 2010, and 2011 from 2007 and 2008 levels.
Republicans own the Recession, and Americans were the loser.
Hence, a new party elected President .
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So the Republicans own the recession? Interesting. Did I miss the part where all of the Democrats were not working between 2007 and today?

Obama has been POTUS for 5 1/2 years. Will he ever have ownership of the job, or is he merely a placeholder between Bush & whoever wins in 2016?
 
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NIMBY said:
So Republicans were not President from 1969 to 1977.
Nothing they did affected inflation .
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1969 was before 1973 and 1979.

In 1973 Nixon was President.

And after this little history lesson, what exactly does it have to do with my post that you quoted? Nothing.
 
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Conservative said:
Got it, Republicans who lost the Congress in November 2006 are responsible for the economic results
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republicans aren't responsible for anything--didn't you know that?
Just as soon as Dems walked in, all hell broke loose automatically cuz of Dems.
Just like those 2.2 million jobs lost in Obama's first 3 months--all his policies did that too . :lamo
 
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No actions taken during the Republican time in office between 1969 and 1977, as I noted, caused any problems for Carter.
tres borrachos said:
1969 was before 1973 and 1979.
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Carter is soley responsible for what came before him and what came after him, kind of like the Republican's Obama Doctrine .
 
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Liberals like me--sure to generate as much as the House of NO good legislation .
Conservative said:
It is a question that liberals like you refuse to answer
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NIMBY said:
republicans aren't responsible for anything--didn't you know that?
Just as soon as Dems walked in, all hell broke loose automatically cuz of Dems.
Just like those 2.2 million jobs lost in Obama's first 3 months--all his policies did that too . :lamo
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Obama ran for the job, said he had the solutions but as we know now, all Obama offers is rhetoric, no leadership which is a trait that apparently you don't understand either. You cannot delegate responsibility, only authority. Obama has been President since January 2009, when does this become his economy?

You conveniently ignore the millions of discouraged workers that aren't counted like the unemployed but then again that is liberalism Let me know when Bush had 1.2 million discouraged workers? You do understand that discouraged workers are dropped from the labor force?

Do these numbers even register with liberals?

Discouraged workers
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988 866 852 815 762 861
2014 837 755 698 783 697
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NIMBY said:
Liberals like me--sure to generate as much as the House of NO good legislation .
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How do you know it isn't good legislation? Have you seen it?
 
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tres borrachos said:
So the Republicans own the recession?
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No--Democrats were President from 2001 to 2009 don'tchaknow?
Interesting. Did I miss the part where all of the Democrats were not working between 2007 and today?
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As I say, as soon as Pelosi came in, everything tanked.
She caused the negative GDP at the end of 2008 and frightened McCain enough to suspend his campaign .
Obama has been POTUS for 5 1/2 years.
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And the GOP House of NO can't get its own act together.
Let us know when your civil war is over huh?
Will he ever have ownership of the job, or is he merely a placeholder between Bush & whoever wins in 2016?
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How about a lawsuit from Boehner to deflect from the Cochran Dems scandal ?
 
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Conservative said:
How do you know it isn't good legislation? Have you seen it?
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Howq many of those bills don't have legislative riders and poison pills ?
 
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Conservative said:
U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q | Fox Business

Congratulations, Liberals, you are getting what you want, A European Socialist economy dependent on a Federal Govt. run by liberals and with more people dependent on that govt. for existence. This is exactly what you get when you elect and re-elect a totally unqualified individual to the highest office in the land, High unemployment, high debt, low economic growth are the new normal in this country
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Having agreed to your estimate of BO's qualifications let me say that the problem stems from the Clinton/Greenspan stint and the only way to fix that will cause pain that most politicians will find hard to sell to their electorates. That does not mean that we will escape, though. Obama has just let us have a breather.
 
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NIMBY said:
No--Democrats were President from 2001 to 2009 don'tchaknow?

As I say, as soon as Pelosi came in, everything tanked.
She caused the negative GDP at the end of 2008 and frightened McCain enough to suspend his campaign .

And the GOP House of NO can't get its own act together.
Let us know when your civil war is over huh?

How about a lawsuit from Boehner to deflect from the Cochran Dems scandal ?
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Let me get this straight.

When a Democrat is President, everything wrong is his Republican predecessor's fault.
When a Republican in President, everything wrong is his fault.
When the Republicans control Congress, everything wrong is their fault.
When the Democrats control Congress, everything wrong is the Republicans' fault.

Neat. That's some pretty amamzing logic there, Nimby. Partisan much?
 
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Conservative said:
Do you have something invested in Obama and his Administration? What exactly are we conservatives wrong about? I acknowledge the Reagan debt as well as the Reagan results. You have done no such thing with Obama who has greater debt and poorer results. This thread is about the economic decline in the first quarter and you are diverting to Reagan. That is typical liberalism
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I think the Obama presidency is a failure on par with the Bush and Reagan presidencies. Why are you attaching a liberal label on me?

However, neither Obama or the next president will be repairing the damage of Reaganomics!

You can see this trend today in America. When we had heavily regulated and taxed capitalism in the post-war era, the largest employer in America was General Motors, and they paid working people what would be, in today’s dollars, about $50 an hour with benefits. Reagan began deregulating and cutting taxes on capitalism in 1981, and today, with more classical “raw capitalism,” what we call “Reaganomics,” or “supply side economics,” our nation’s largest employer is WalMart and they pay around $10 an hour.
 
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NIMBY said:
No actions taken during the Republican time in office between 1969 and 1977, as I noted, caused any problems for Carter.

Carter is soley responsible for what came before him and what came after him, kind of like the Republican's Obama Doctrine .
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Which, again, has exactly zero to do with my post to Imagep, which you jumped in on.
 
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tres borrachos said:
How startling is that difference in the outlays from 2007 to 2011? That's almost an additional $1 trillion - about 35% higher. Geezus.
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Um, that part is supposed to be ignored. There are many colorful charts and graphs that show that it was not Obama's fault.
 
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Conservative said:
Is that right? how are you coming on getting those shovels delivered for those shovel ready jobs that were supposed to create new taxpayers? Wonder what the revenue would be like if Obama had generated Reagan's job creation numbers?

Amazing how liberals bash Reagan and supported nothing that he did but now support Obama for what they claim Reagan did. Liberal logic is a sickness
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The delusion that we never had good growth until Reagan came along is very widespread among the right-wing; somehow the whole postwar generation, in which everyone’s incomes doubled, has been erased from memory. But it’s still there in the national accounts:

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You also write of Reagan's job creation numbers as if they were miraculous. Jimmy Carter's administration presided over 10,339,000 jobs created in four years -- a higher rate per year than Reagan's 17,000,000 in eight-years. Clinton presided over 22,000,000 in eight-years.

Moreover, you snidely imply that the stimulus did not create jobs. That is factually incorrect, as economists attribute millions of jobs to the stimulus.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Let me get this straight.

When a Democrat is President, everything wrong is his Republican predecessor's fault.
When a Republican in President, everything wrong is his fault.
When the Republicans control Congress, everything wrong is their fault.
When the Democrats control Congress, everything wrong is the Republicans' fault.

Neat. That's some pretty amamzing logic there, Nimby. Partisan much?
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Saint Reagan blamed his predecessor too. This is from his 1983 State of The Union Address:
"The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."
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tres borrachos said:
How startling is that difference in the outlays from 2007 to 2011? That's almost an additional $1 trillion - about 35% higher. Geezus.
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Liberals will just tell you it was needed to keep us out of a depression, or it was Bush's tax cuts for the rich, or unfunded wars. There is no winning with them.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Um, that part is supposed to be ignored. There are many colorful charts and graphs that show that it was not Obama's fault.
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This one is my favorite. Im sure MTA has posted it already. As you can see Bush is at fault for anything that happens. Really we dont even need liberals to have a debate anymore. We can just play their part ourselves.

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jonny5 said:
This one is my favorite. Im sure MTA has posted it already. As you can see Bush is at fault for anything that happens. Really we dont even need liberals to have a debate anymore. We can just play their part ourselves.

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Bad attachment.
 
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Blue_State said:
Bad attachment.
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Bad argument too.

Conservatives don't want to cloud their opinion with graphs derived from data.
 
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MTAtech said:
Bad argument too.

Conservatives don't want to cloud their opinion with graphs derived from data.
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Were you able to see it or just speculating?
 
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