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U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

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What you liberals see are only record profits, not record investments, low returns on that investment, and dividends to shareholders. The knowledge displayed by Obama and his supporters is quite disappointing but then what do you expect from a community agitator.

I'm sorry, can you point out which of things you listed are causing pain for corporations or individuals? Everything I've read have shown huge amounts of stock buybacks to drive up stock prices, dividend payouts aren't an issue, and corporations have very low net re-investment.
 
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Good one, you've obviously been able to prove that Halo's on Presidents pictures are not the norm

Apparently NOT all presidents are seen as the messiah... remember .... ?

iliveonramen said:
So apparently all Presidents are seen as a Messiah because you can type in "halo XXX" and you'll get similar pictures.

(Emphasis mine)

;)
 
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Well I assumed I didn't have to point out that profit margins were the driving force of record profits, corporate revenue growth hasn't been stellar, but I should of remembered conservatives would have no clue that was the case.

Do you understand return on investment? Any idea what the profit margins are for companies with those so called record profits? Better find out before spouting your rhetoric.
 
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I detest the use of "saving money" as much as I detest the use (and this on BOTH sides) of the word "revenue" when speaking of taxes. Revenue is what businesses call the income they receive from customers who buy their products and services (willingly).

$28 billion. Holycrap, I can't believe someone knowingly brought in the Bush tax cuts and the $28 billion to imply that they make a difference. That's like saying that you need to cut expenses because you're broke, so you decide to stop spending $3 a month on bubblegum, and now you're fiscally prudent.

Liberals also like to whine about how tax cuts "cost" money. Or that the tax cuts need to be "paid for". Huh? Pay for a tax cut? More screwy liberal logic. Stop spending OUR money then!
 
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I'm sorry, can you point out which of things you listed are causing pain for corporations or individuals? Everything I've read have shown huge amounts of stock buybacks to drive up stock prices, dividend payouts aren't an issue, and corporations have very low net re-investment.

Lower payrolls because of uncertainty. The largest operating expense of any major company is payroll and Obama is seeing to it that businesses have no idea what their costs are going to be. Your support for Obama is a huge mistake. one day you are going to realize it.
 
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It's both


no.....

We are at the end of the Q1 earnings season, with results from only 38 S&P 500 members still awaited at this stage. The reporting cycle has ended for 10 of the 16 Zacks sectors and even the Retail sector now has Q1 results from 74% of the sector’s total market capitalization. As such, the remaining reports are unlikely to change the Q1 earnings picture in any meaningful way.

What we saw this earnings season was anemic growth and continuation of the negative guidance that has become a recurring theme quarter after quarter for more than a year now.

This didn’t come as a surprise, as earnings growth has been hard to come by for some time and Q1’s unique issues only added to those pre-existing challenges. Weather became a recurring theme in everything related to Q1. The U.S. economy’s growth numbers for the quarter provide a good context for the earnings performance of Wal-Mart (wmt), FedEx (fdx) and many others in Q1. With respect to the economy, however, more recent economic data is pointing towards improved growth momentum from Q2 onwards, even though the pathway to the more aggressively optimistic GDP growth estimates is unclear at this stage.

We are not seeing anything comparable on the earnings front, with estimates for the current period starting to follow the trend that has been in place for almost two years now – they are going down. This is a trend that has been in place for almost two years now, with the pace expected to accelerate further in the coming days.

Q1 Earnings Season Coming to an End - May 15, 2014 - Zacks.com
 
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Too bad personal spending is not bouncing back at all. A lot of data is still outstanding, so one cannot make a meaningful judgment based on what data has been presented. Personal spending did prompt a number of downgrades to estimates, though. History suggests Q1 was the starting point of a recession.

You may be right.


319,000 jobs in the all important 25-54 age range (which makes up over 65% of the work force) have been lost since March.

Table A-9. Selected employment indicators


U.S. durable goods orders dropped 1.0% in May.

U.S. Durable Goods Orders Drop 1.0% in May - WSJ


The trade deficit in April (last reported month) was the worst since March 2012.

Plus, imports for the month hit an all time record while exports dropped from March to April.

Foreign Trade - U.S. Trade with World, Seasonally Adjusted


Where is this rebound quarter supposed to come from?
 
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Do you understand return on investment? Any idea what the profit margins are for companies with those so called record profits? Better find out before spouting your rhetoric.

Yup, those are pretty basic.
 
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no.....

We are at the end of the Q1 earnings season, with results from only 38 S&P 500 members still awaited at this stage. The reporting cycle has ended for 10 of the 16 Zacks sectors and even the Retail sector now has Q1 results from 74% of the sector’s total market capitalization. As such, the remaining reports are unlikely to change the Q1 earnings picture in any meaningful way.

What we saw this earnings season was anemic growth and continuation of the negative guidance that has become a recurring theme quarter after quarter for more than a year now.

This didn’t come as a surprise, as earnings growth has been hard to come by for some time and Q1’s unique issues only added to those pre-existing challenges. Weather became a recurring theme in everything related to Q1. The U.S. economy’s growth numbers for the quarter provide a good context for the earnings performance of Wal-Mart (wmt), FedEx (fdx) and many others in Q1. With respect to the economy, however, more recent economic data is pointing towards improved growth momentum from Q2 onwards, even though the pathway to the more aggressively optimistic GDP growth estimates is unclear at this stage.

We are not seeing anything comparable on the earnings front, with estimates for the current period starting to follow the trend that has been in place for almost two years now – they are going down. This is a trend that has been in place for almost two years now, with the pace expected to accelerate further in the coming days.

Q1 Earnings Season Coming to an End - May 15, 2014 - Zacks.com

You really shouldn't jump into conversations mid way through because you have no context on what the comment was about.
 
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Basic for whom? You believe record profits mean record return on investments?

Basic for anyone that has done anything in business at any level.




As for return on investment...I'm not sure where you are going. Capital investment has been low since the recession. The idea that return on investment is a drag on corporations just isn't true.
 
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Basic for anyone that has done anything in business at any level.




As for return on investment...I'm not sure where you are going. Capital investment has been low since the recession. The idea that return on investment is a drag on corporations just isn't true.

Obviously you have never run a business for there is more to capital investment than current capital investments. Why don't you find out what the ROI and ROE are for those businesses making record profits. Most are public companies and you can find access to that information. Not sure you have any interest in doing that and simply just want to continue to spout liberal rhetoric.
 
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Too bad personal spending is not bouncing back at all. A lot of data is still outstanding, so one cannot make a meaningful judgment based on what data has been presented. Personal spending did prompt a number of downgrades to estimates, though. History suggests Q1 was the starting point of a recession.

Since GDP reports have been compiled on a regular basis, it is true that every quarter in which GDP fell at a 2.9% or greater annual rate either occurred during a recession or just prior to one. The largest drop that did not precede a recession was 1.5%. Still, even as there are some macroeconomic factors involved, there are also temporary factors (including but not limited to weather). Overall, I believe the best narrative for the year as a whole will be generally moderate growth. Rapid growth appears unlikely. Sluggish growth is a possibility, especially if some of the larger headwinds intensify.
 
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Obviously you have never run a business for there is more to capital investment than current capital investments. Why don't you find out what the ROI and ROE are for those businesses making record profits. Most are public companies and you can find access to that information. Not sure you have any interest in doing that and simply just want to continue to spout liberal rhetoric.

Actually you're the one making a statement that ROI has been a burden for corporations. Why don't you go ahead and prove it. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not going to show you're wrong so that you can move the goal post like you always do..
 
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Actually you're the one making a statement that ROI has been a burden for corporations. Why don't you go ahead and prove it. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not going to show you're wrong so that you can move the goal post like you always do..

Prove it to you? I am tired of doing that. I post data and you ignore it or move on to something else. The way to learn is to research it yourself. Tell me the name of a company making record profits and then find out what their return is on investment and equity? You are going to find that the businesses making the highest return are actually businesses that I am sure that you support.
 
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Your opinion noted as well as your total lack of understanding as to how a private sector economy works. You point to small increases in GDP by the various issues but those small increases are still increases and grow the economy as well as create a multiplier effect but I don't expect someone like you or anyone else who believes in Obamanomics to understand that

The private sector requires investment capital and confidence to grow and create jobs. That isn't going to happen under Obama and liberal economic policies. It is the private sector that is going to get us out of this mess not the European socialist model and that will never happen with Obama in the WH

Several quick things:

First, having spent most of my career in the private sector, I believe I have a reasonable understanding of its dynamics and its role in the overall economy. Moreover, I don't believe the message to which you responded advocated a "European socialist model" so I'm not sure why it is an issue.

Second, even with the high-range of multipliers (~2 +/- 0.5), the small decline in coal production has only a very small macroeconomic impact.

Third, business climate depends on many factors, only one of which is public policy. As noted previously, the tax law changes have produced a modest drag on economic growth. CBO has also reached such a conclusion. The biggest factor that has held back hiring was uncertainty as it related to aggregate demand. Until aggregate demand has reached a point where productivity gains are insufficient to cover that demand and until that level of demand is perceived as sustainable, businesses will be reluctant to hire. Of course, not all industries face the same situation. Hence, in some industries, hiring has been fairly robust. In others, it hasn't.
 
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Doubt most liberals know the difference and have no clue as to what ROI means
Profit = Total income minus total expenses. Expressed in currency amounts.
Profit margin: Net income divided by revenues (or sales). Expressed as a percentage.
ROI = Return on investment. Calculated as ((Gain from investment) - (cost of investment)) / (Cost of investment)

Companies are making record profits for many reasons. A big one is that wages are dropping while productivity is still improving. Another is that corporations are generally cutting back on capex. Profits are also at record highs despite high levels of uncertainty.... go figure.

Anyway. It might be the case that among the general public, conservatives understand certain economic terms better than progressives. However, it is fallacious to accuse people of not knowing economics solely because you disagree with them.
 
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Profit = Total income minus total expenses. Expressed in currency amounts.
Profit margin: Net income divided by revenues (or sales). Expressed as a percentage.
ROI = Return on investment. Calculated as ((Gain from investment) - (cost of investment)) / (Cost of investment)

Companies are making record profits for many reasons. A big one is that wages are dropping while productivity is still improving. Another is that corporations are generally cutting back on capex. Profits are also at record highs despite high levels of uncertainty.... go figure.

Anyway. It might be the case that among the general public, conservatives understand certain economic terms better than progressives. However, it is fallacious to accuse people of not knowing economics solely because you disagree with them.

Thank you for the advice, but I make my comments based upon responses that show Progressives/Liberals out of touch with reality and how in a private sector economy they attack wealth creation, show jealousy of others by caring more about what someone else makes and pays in taxes, but nothing about the trillions being wasted by the Federal Govt. all in the name of compassion but never generating compassionate results.
 
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You do realize that liberals never admit when they are wrong, they just ignore the response

Imagep is usually pretty factual, so I suspect he'll be embarrassed.:peace
 
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Really? How so, if RWR took office on 20 Jan 1981?:peace

Jan 1, 1984 4.19%
Jan 1, 1983 3.71%
Jan 1, 1982 8.39%
Jan 1, 1981 11.83%
Jan 1, 1980 13.91%
Jan 1, 1979 9.28%

US Inflation Rate by Year

1981 the inflation rate was 10.35% for the year. That's some pretty significant inflation.

But after reviewing the numbers, yes, we did have more (OPEC oil price driven) inflation in the last two years of Carters administration.
 
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You do realize that liberals never admit when they are wrong, they just ignore the response

thats true, ideologues NEVER admit that they were wrong.

However, I am not an ideologue, so I am allowed the luxury of admitting that I was wrong.
 
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1981 the inflation rate was 10.35% for the year. That's some pretty significant inflation.

But after reviewing the numbers, yes, we did have more (OPEC oil price driven) inflation in the last two years of Carters administration.

Did OPEC go out of business after RWR took office?:peace
 
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Got it, Bush with a Democrat Congress from 2007-2008 is responsible for the economic results but now it is the Republican House responsible for the economy. Liberals aren't responsible for anything, is that right?

Bush left the country with a 10.6 trillion dollar debt that is now 17.5 trillion which of course Obama had nothing to do with

Bush did have job losses of 750,000 but never had 1.2 million discouraged workers who aren't counted as unemployed.

Interesting how you and others still defend the indefensible and have no idea what you are talking about.

Liberals will be responsible for the bad economy that the next conservative has. Time lag effect you know.:lamo
 
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