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Report: Polish minister says US ties Worthless.....

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A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html
Associated Press 44 minutes ago!


Despite the Poles finding themselves in their own scandals. This is now getting around. That with other leaders not having any confidence with the US. Or that we will even stick to our word. More and more are becoming vocal and it all has to do with BO and hi foreign policy. What say ye?
 
MMC said:
A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html
Associated Press 44 minutes ago!


Despite the Poles finding themselves in their own scandals. This is now getting around. That with other leaders not having any confidence with the US. Or that we will even stick to our word. More and more are becoming vocal and it all has to do with BO and hi foreign policy. What say ye?
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It is certainly true that the Polish proximity to the US causes anger among the Europhiles and in certain but largish parts of the population here in Germany as it does towards the UK. As you know, I am no great admirer of Obama. But this problem is much more fundamental and long running.
 
joG said:
It is certainly true that the Polish proximity to the US causes anger among the Europhiles and in certain but largish parts of the population here in Germany as it does towards the UK. As you know, I am no great admirer of Obama. But this problem is much more fundamental and long running.
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Well it doesn't look good on us.....considering he went and paid them a personal visit recently. Not to have this headlining thru the News.

Funny that corruption isn't it.....and how it all works out.
 
MMC said:
Well it doesn't look good on us.....considering he went and paid them a personal visit recently. Not to have this headlining thru the News.

Funny that corruption isn't it.....and how it all works out.
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I didn't say Obama was making the US look better. He is not. But the problem is one that has fostered for decades over here that Obama is not good enough to counter. This will probably get worse as Germany is increasingly forced to abandon its practice of free riding and has to allocate larger amounts of money into weapons. Judging by the way things usually run here, the political class will use anti-american populism to justify the costs. That will increase the negative feelings in the population and the direction that Germany pushes its neighbors should increasingly be in the same direction as the EU founders and external enemies become increasingly required to glue the dream together.
 
MMC said:
Well it doesn't look good on us.....considering he went and paid them a personal visit recently. Not to have this headlining thru the News.

Funny that corruption isn't it.....and how it all works out.
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I recall when the Obamas visited the Queen of England last year. One of the other stops on that trip was a visit to Poland. Michelle decided to return home, instead, even though the people had gone to a lot of trouble and expense to plan fun things for her to do, leaving Barack to make excuses. It's neither wise nor polite to insult an ally who could have a long memory!

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
I recall when the Obamas visited the Queen of England last year. One of the other stops on that trip was a visit to Poland. Michelle decided to return home, instead, even though the people had gone to a lot of trouble and expense to plan fun things for her to do, leaving Barack to make excuses. It's neither wise nor polite to insult an ally who could have a long memory!

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
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Well BO just had the Leader of New Zealand here.....word was BO made it a point to make sure that New Zealand would invite him to visit. Says he always wanted to visit there.
 
joG said:
I didn't say Obama was making the US look better. He is not. But the problem is one that has fostered for decades over here that Obama is not good enough to counter. This will probably get worse as Germany is increasingly forced to abandon its practice of free riding and has to allocate larger amounts of money into weapons. Judging by the way things usually run here, the political class will use anti-american populism to justify the costs. That will increase the negative feelings in the population and the direction that Germany pushes its neighbors should increasingly be in the same direction as the EU founders and external enemies become increasingly required to glue the dream together.
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To be honest.....I would like the French to start paying for all their own too. Not just Germany.

What do you think about this Silenski being picked to replace Ashton?
 
MMC said:
Well BO just had the Leader of New Zealand here.....word was BO made it a point to make sure that New Zealand would invite him to visit. Says he always wanted to visit there.
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I'll just bet he did! He does love to travel when there are problems here, doesn't he?
 
MMC said:
A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html
Associated Press 44 minutes ago!


Despite the Poles finding themselves in their own scandals. This is now getting around. That with other leaders not having any confidence with the US. Or that we will even stick to our word. More and more are becoming vocal and it all has to do with BO and hi foreign policy. What say ye?
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what I say is that your continued cheering for anti-American nonsense is disturbing.
 
Sababa said:
what I say is that your continued cheering for anti-American nonsense is disturbing.
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That's more than likely due to your usual in trying to think for others and 9 and 3 quarter times of getting it wrong.....when you can figure that part about Country First. Then you Might have some ground from which you can speak from. Or when you spill blood for this country then you have the Right to say.....whatever.
 
MMC said:
A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html
Associated Press 44 minutes ago!


Despite the Poles finding themselves in their own scandals. This is now getting around. That with other leaders not having any confidence with the US. Or that we will even stick to our word. More and more are becoming vocal and it all has to do with BO and hi foreign policy. What say ye?
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That's nothing. Republicans have known this same thing with regard to their ties to the US for years.

The difference is that the only group that Obama and his regime recognize as enemies with no relativistic BS to redefine it are the Republican and TEA Parties and anyone who does not renounce them in a quasi-religious oath of allegiance to Obama.

Candy Crowley and her ilk are at the front of the line to support the failed despot.
 
code1211 said:
That's nothing. Republicans have known this same thing with regard to their ties to the US for years.

The difference is that the only group that Obama and his regime recognize as enemies with no relativistic BS to redefine it are the Republican and TEA Parties and anyone who does not renounce them in a quasi-religious oath of allegiance to Obama.

Candy Crowley and her ilk are at the front of the line to support the failed despot.
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Well it doesn't help coming from those here now.....not when he has heard it from damn near every Continent out there. Plus wants the Poles to stand tall should Putin jump. Plus has trouble with Merkel. Its not looking good. BO's people are screw ups......they have never ran anything in their lives.


All know when BO makes a show.....its just a party and some laughs. Good camera face time.....of leaders having a good time. BO looking for some money for himself. Air Travel and Frequent Flyer Miles.
 
MMC said:
To be honest.....I would like the French to start paying for all their own too. Not just Germany.

What do you think about this Silenski being picked to replace Ashton?
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I don't want to look it up as I'm on a mobile right now, but I believe the French have over the past decade been spending in excess of 2.5 percent, while Germany was closer to 1 percent. Also the French have tended to intervene, when it seemed they needed to. That doesn't mean the French behavior was always helpful. It wasn't. But they do seem to have realized how much they harmed themselves with their Iraq policies and look as though they have realigned their security policy.
 
joG said:
I don't want to look it up as I'm on a mobile right now, but I believe the French have over the past decade been spending in excess of 2.5 percent, while Germany was closer to 1 percent. Also the French have tended to intervene, when it seemed they needed to. That doesn't mean the French behavior was always helpful. It wasn't. But they do seem to have realized how much they harmed themselves with their Iraq policies and look as though they have realigned their security policy.
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Yeah, they have been intervening and Filing Non Stop Resolutions in the UN. A lot for Enforceable action.

Also that was what was said, that Silenski was picked to replace Ashton for the EU. Although I am sure he isn't the only one.
 
MMC said:
Yeah, they have been intervening and Filing Non Stop Resolutions in the UN. A lot for Enforceable action.

Also that was what was said, that Silenski was picked to replace Ashton for the EU. Although I am sure he isn't the only one.
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To be honest Silenski didn't appear on my radar until relatively recently. He seems to be an integral part of the "we want more Europe" lobby. But I am not yet well enough briefed on the fellow.
 
MMC said:
A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html
Associated Press 44 minutes ago!


Despite the Poles finding themselves in their own scandals. This is now getting around. That with other leaders not having any confidence with the US. Or that we will even stick to our word. More and more are becoming vocal and it all has to do with BO and hi foreign policy. What say ye?
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Yea, about time Poland got up off its own ass and stopped mooching off America.
 
MMC said:
Awww Grant :confused: .....Did ya have to spoils what I had waiting in the wings on em. :lol:
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You would be welcome to it, MMC, because I don't get much pleasure from criticizing a country for which I have great regard.. But perhaps it's also time people had some hometruths arrive on their doorstep.
 
Grant said:
You would be welcome to it, MMC, because I don't get much pleasure from criticizing a country for which I have great regard.. But perhaps it's also time people had some hometruths arrive on their doorstep.
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Well criticizing one that usually gets it wrong.....isn't criticizing the Country. Its showing a failure and the damage a fool can cause a country.

Jim Brown says.....Say it Loud and Proud! ;)
 
MMC said:
A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html
Associated Press 44 minutes ago!


Despite the Poles finding themselves in their own scandals. This is now getting around. That with other leaders not having any confidence with the US. Or that we will even stick to our word. More and more are becoming vocal and it all has to do with BO and hi foreign policy. What say ye?
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Do you think the tense situation with Russia has something to do with it? Where they might not want to be involved in an armed conflict with a nuclear powered neighbor?
 
24107 said:
Do you think the tense situation with Russia has something to do with it? Where they might not want to be involved in an armed conflict with a nuclear powered neighbor?
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Heya 24 :2wave: Not really. The Poles were talking pretty hardline when the Ukraine first started jumping off with Russia.
 
As a side note, the Poles got screwed over in 1939 as well.
 
Report: Polish minister says US ties Worthless.....

Now they're gettin' it...
 
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