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Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

Could there be a more uninformed, harsh, and just plain wrong statement than what you posted here??? I think not.

What part?
 
Because it's not an issue to me and I don't care whether he is or not or where he was born. That's the least of the country's problems.

So you're fine with Obama being considered a Muslim Kenyan?
 
Leading Republicans on Thursday insisted that America's leaders must do more to defend Christian values at home and abroad, blaming President Barack Obama for attacks on religious freedom as they courted religious conservatives expected to play a crucial role in the next presidential contest.

Read more of this article here: http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-obama-must-defend-christian-values-192212780




If these guys had said that Obama must defend America's 1st Amendment values they would have had my and a lot of other peoples support.

I don't believe that this will win many elections for them.

BTW: if anyone can point out where it says in the U.S. Constitution that defending Christian values is the presidents job, I'd like to see it.

This sounds like a bunch of far right religious malarkey to me.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP


So you read this article which included this statement:

Cruz highlighted what he called failures in the Obama administration that allowed attacks on Christians abroad, particularly in the escalating violence across Iraq.

"Christians are being persecuted in stunning numbers. They are being stoned. They are being tortured," Cruz said, calling for Obama to stand up for Christians in prison in Iran and Sudan. "We need leadership in America."

And you think it is 'malarkey.'
 
Sure in the GOP version, where abortion is banned, being gay is a capital offense and women, Muslims, blacks, Latinos, and Jews are denied the vote. :)

Link please.
 
Maybe its just me, but I don't believe religious views should be part of politics. That just creates problems because apparently there are many Gods and many religions, so who is to say what religion reigns supreme? Separation of church and state.....religious zealots have no place in congress. We need rational thinkers, not emotional reactors.

So those people who came here to escape religious persecution should have stayed at home. Groovy.
 
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If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

If you're an evangelical christian, everything looks like Obama.

And if you are Obama, you needs George Stephanopalous to remind you what your religion is:

 
This has nothing to do with what values the politicians in the OP were calling to be defended. They were specifically call for Christian values, and only Christian values to be defended, over all others. There is no evidence that values that we uphold, such as condemning genocide or trafficking in persons or oppression of others, or promoting equality is only being defended when it is not Christians or that other values that are not general values like these are being defended over Christian values that have nothing to do with our nation's values. We are defending religious freedoms for all, but not all religious freedoms should be defended if those religious views involve killing or imprisoning people for reasons that violate values that are more important to us as a nation.

I really think they were calling for Christian values to be INCLUDED. Maybe you should reread the OP.
 
The religious right's power probably peaked in the 80's and has slowly been ebbing since then. My response to government and religion has always been government needs to stay out of religion. But government needs to ensure all people can practice their religion and worship in according to their religion anywhere and whenever they want.

And I believe that is the point of the article. Did you read it all the way through? If not, you should.
 
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I read someplace in the New Tea Party coloring book version of the US Constitution that presidents must defend Christian values as opposed to the Constitution itself.

Well, since he's not doing the one perhaps they want him to at least do the other. :mrgreen:
 
Really? You're going with that? :lamo

I guess you never heard of the Freudian slip.

A Freudian slip, also called parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious ("dynamically repressed") subdued wish, conflict, or train of thought guided by the ego and the rules of correct behaviour. They reveal a "source outside the speech". The concept is thus part of classical psychoanalysis.

Slips of the tongue and of the pen are the classical parapraxes, but psychoanalytic theory also embraces misreadings, mishearings, temporary forgettings, and the mislaying and losing of objects.

Freudian slip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And if you think the Rev. Wright's church was 'Christian' I have some swamp land, er, real estate I'd like to sell you.
 
I guess you never heard of the Freudian slip.
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And you so desperately want to believe that. Tin hats for everyone! It would make your little fantasy come true. How sweet and tidy. Nothing like right wing extremist lunacy for entertainment.
 
I really think they were calling for Christian values to be INCLUDED. Maybe you should reread the OP.

Included in what exactly? We should not be defending any values except those of freedom and democracy or those that are deemed almost universally as atrocities, such as genocide or mass oppression.

So tell me what exactly are "Christian values" which are not being defended by Obama but which should be. Hint: "Family and values" are not Christian in their nature. In fact, values belong to everyone, since everyone has some. And pretty much all cultures respect families, even if they may not be families like those that some Christians want to see as families.

As for the persecution of Christians, I haven't seen any case where they weren't being defended against maltreatment just for being Christian. But that isn't standing up for Christian values, it is standing up for American values that hold that people should not be stoned, killed, or imprisoned simply because of their religious beliefs.
 
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Millions, many millions around the world, are Muslim too. You think numbers makes a religion righteous?

Of course not. Religions, like philosophies, differ from culture to country. This shouldn't need explaining.
 
And this is the problem. You are talking about you here but seem to think that all Christians or at least most Christians behave this way. It simply isn't true. Plus, you seem to believe that arguing against Christianity is the same as not following the Golden Rule. That again isn't true. A person can share their feelings about why they do not believe in a certain religion without being disrespectful.

If you read my posts you'd see I said Christians try to follow the Golden Rule and the examples taught by Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean we'll always be successful, but we try. I cannot debate issues which you claim I 'seem to believe'.
 
First of all, I never said Christians are only found in the US. I mentioned the US because it is US politicians calling for other US politicians to defend Christianity (despite Christianity not needing anymore defending than any other faith, in general). We, as a country, do not live by "Christian values". Many of us live by values, some which happen to be found within the Christian religion, as those values are also found within other religions and even just philosophies around the world.
So you feel your philosophy would be the same as it is now if you were born in Afghanistan, North Korea, or India?

Second, calling yourself a Christian is the only way for others to determine if you are Christian or not. Otherwise, there would be no true Christians, since everyone falls short. We don't know what's in a person's heart. But the only thing that really says whether a person is a Christian or not is that they believe that Jesus is the way to reach Heaven or know God. That is it. Bad Christians are still Christians. You don't get to discount them just because you don't want to be associated with them.

People can call themselves Christians but you'll know better by their actions, the 'quality of their character'. Often, everywhere, a persons claim to following a religion is used for political purposes, a trait not limited to American politicians.
 
No it isn't. Many of the ideals we use came from other cultures that existed prior to Christianity, including Ancient Rome and Greece. Intelligent people added to those ideals, working to make a country that was truly for all people. But belief in Christianity did not cause those beliefs.
That may well be and certainly ancient Greeks made great contributions to the world, but a religious doctrine wasn't among them. The poor, as has been mentioned, were treated rather shabbily and there was certainly no place in the afterlife for them.

The biggest thing that seems to lead to the values of freedom and rights for common people is not Christianity or any other religion for that matter. It is reason, and groups of people who are being treated differently for what they believe in, or how they look, or what class they were born into, and don't like it. Once people start using reason to think through things, they come to realize that there is no reason why a single person or a small group of people should have power over other people and be treated better. Eventually, this reasoning, along with human compassion, leads to looking at the other side as well and seeing how other people should not be treated worse just due to things such as the color of their skin or their gender.

You don't seem to understand how we gain 'reason'. Do you think we just stumbled across it without some trial and error along the way or have we in the democracies arrived at the zenith of mankind and we are the heighth of all man can possibly be? I doubt it. We have to be taught 'reason' and need free ideas and expression to arrive at some 'reason' as to what life and our attitudes toward our fellow man is all about. This has been debated since the aforementioned Greeks, and perhaps earlier.

We can see students in Universities today who feel that their education thus far has convinced them that they have achieved this 'reason' and therefore others should not have the freedom to speak their ideas, or share their values. Is this reason? No, of course no t,and yet this effort to deter others from their right to free speech has been supported by those who teach them. This would lead us to wonder what other nonsense they've been taught.

We are not near as advanced as we like to think we are and philosophies, Christianity among them, will teach us that we haven't traveled all that far.
 
republicans claim to want to bring democray to the other parts of the world but they hate to see it in USA

Obama would like other leaders to work together to solve their country's problems but forgets that back in DC.
 
So you're fine with Obama being considered a Muslim Kenyan?

Of course. People can consider whatever they want. He may have been a Muslim at one time, and Kenyans insist he was born in Kenya, but that is not important to me. What is important is that he's a foolish and dangerous President. Does it matter to you where he was born or what his religion is?
 
Certainly we can judge that some religions are preferable to others, just as we can with any philosophies.

Personally, sure, but not objectively in the case of religions.


Kenyans insist he was born in Kenya, but that is not important to me.

Having spent years in Kenya, I can assure you that's not true.
 
a fundamental lack of understanding the first amendment.

Well, I hope you can understand why you've confused some people (myself included) seeing as the part you quoted wasn't referring to the first amendment.
 
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