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NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama's Foreign Policy Rating Plummets, Even Without Iraq

Ricatalian said:
Spare me the lecture son ... you are what you post on these threads and what I've seen from you is the same garbage a lot of other conservatives have been posting for the last 6-7 years ...
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Not a "son", hence the little pink icon in my user panel.

If you just joined here this month, you haven't been seeing posts for the last 6-7 years.

I am not a conservative, for the second time.

You may want to quit before you make yourself look worse than you already do.
 
tres borrachos said:
The only landslide I ever predicted was Reagan over Mondale.

Who here predicted a Romney landslide? Please tell me it was someone posting from a padded room who is now locked away for his/her safety and all of ours.
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None of them are in padded cells to my knowledge ... they're posting still here and on other Boards, and many of them are serving in Congress ....
 
Ricatalian said:
None of them are in padded cells to my knowledge ... they're posting still here and on other Boards, and many of them are serving in Congress ....
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You weren't posting here in 2012. Let the person who I addressed my post to answer.
 
Ricatalian said:
"Need more" suggests you gave me something to begin with. Get serious please.
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Like the old saying....

you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Appears you don't need a drink of water because you are drinking too much kool-aid.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not a "son", hence the little pink icon in my user panel.

If you just joined here this month, you haven't been seeing posts for the last 6-7 years.

I am not a conservative, for the second time.

You may want to quit before you make yourself look worse than you already do.
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Is that what that pink thing means? Sorry. And for a second time as well, yes, you are a conservative who happens to be a libertarian - kinda like Rand and his daddy ...

I look bad to you and other conservatives and that I wear as a badge of honor, but I really don't have much more to say to you, so take care.
 
tres borrachos said:
You weren't posting here in 2012. Let the person who I addressed my post to answer.
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And you know that how? BTW, we're free to respond to any post, whether it's directed to you or not. I trust you will find that liberating.
 
Ricatalian said:
Is that what that pink thing means? Sorry. And for a second time as well, yes, you are a conservative who happens to be a libertarian - kinda like Rand and his daddy ...

I look bad to you and other conservatives and that I wear as a badge of honor, but I really don't have much more to say to you, so take care.
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Thanks for reminding me about the ignore button. I don't use it enough. I use it on liars. And since you repeated your lie about me being a conservative, off you go. I don't waste my time with non-serious posters.

Good luck.
 
Gill said:
Like the old saying....

you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Appears you don't need a drink of water because you are drinking too much kool-aid.
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Even a horse knows when the water is bad ... (but if you have some of thast kool-aid, can I get some?)
 
tres borrachos said:
Thanks for reminding me about the ignore button. I don't use it enough. I use it on liars. And since you repeated your lie about me being a conservative, off you go. I don't waste my time with non-serious posters.

Good luck.
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Adios
 
idea_steed said:
exactly. A journalist shall remain objective and impartial under any circumstances.
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And so should politicians but in fact good journalism, with few exceptions, has disappeared - if it was ever there.

It is our responsibility as good citizens to inform ourselves with as much solid information as possible from several sources, perhaps, while then concentrating on the few which have shown themselves to be most reliable.
 
Montecresto said:
Like I said, none of the Bush scandals drew them out!
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Because the "scandals" of Bush are concocted lies by liberals, while Obama's are real, and evident, and impactful to everyone.
 
Erod said:
Because the "scandals" of Bush are concocted lies by liberals, while Obama's are real, and evident, and impactful to everyone.
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What, I believe that one poster already posted a non-exhaustive list of them and they most certainly aren't concocted. It's just that we see the same thing cycle after cycle and nothing changes. At present we have partisans on the left providing cover for Obama, while the polar partisans are having a hey day focusing on mostly legitimate scandals of Obama's. However, let a republican win the WH next time and we'll see the role reversal that we've been watching, about forever now. Suddenly then it will be the daily barrage from the left, magnifying every scandal that comes along, and we'll be seeing the starboard doing the same thing they are currently critical of the left for.
 
Hatuey said:
... Abu Graib, Valerie Plame, FEMA's mishandling of Katrina, fake reporters at White House briefings, Halliburton, waterboarding, torture of US soldiers, Lawyergate, Yellowcake forgery, payment of columnists, Abramoff, Scooter Libby, PRISM Surveillance, Walter Reed? Yeah. Nothing. Nothing at all.
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Yes. Those events rolled easily, didn't they. We all know about them. Why? I suspect that almost every Bush supporter was troubled by some of those events. If most Obama supporters are equally troubled by events that occurred in the Obama administration than I would be stunned. If everyone knows about the leaking of an CIA agent by Obama several weeks ago I would be amazed. If anyone remembers the worst environmental disaster in US history I would be surprised. (Hint-the answer is Deepwater Horizon.)
White House to review leak of CIA agent's name
 
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Eric7216 said:
Yes. Those events rolled easily, didn't they. We all know about them. Why? I suspect that almost every Bush supporter was troubled by some of those events. If most Obama supporters are equally troubled by events that occurred in the Obama administration than I would be stunned. If everyone knows about the leaking of an CIA agent by Obama several weeks ago I would be amazed. If anyone remembers the worst environmental disaster in US history I would be surprised. (Hint-the answer is Deepwater Horizon.)
White House to review leak of CIA agent's name
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There's no fw you could be serious that almost every Bush supporter was troubled by the Bush scandals. Just look a couple posts back, you'll find two guys just there claiming that all those Bush scandals were actually fabrications of the left!!
 
It's getting bad for Obama, but plenty of Obamaphiles will never abandon ship.

 
Papa bull said:
It's getting bad for Obama, but plenty of Obamaphiles will never abandon ship.

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You are right, Obamaphiles won't, much as their cousins, the Bush sluts didn't. It's the partisans way, and they both together form a majority.
 
Hatuey said:
... Abu Graib, Valerie Plame, FEMA's mishandling of Katrina, fake reporters at White House briefings, Halliburton, waterboarding, torture of US soldiers, Lawyergate, Yellowcake forgery, payment of columnists, Abramoff, Scooter Libby, PRISM Surveillance, Walter Reed? Yeah. Nothing. Nothing at all.
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Abu Graib - people went to prison, no direct connection to Bush.

Hurricane Katrina - Obama's FEMA office in New Jersey working on Hurricane Sandy rekief closed for a week because bad weather.

Valerie Plame - Bush had nothing to do with it. It was Richard Armitage that told reporters that Plame workes at CIA and she wasn't a covert agent, anyway.

Torture of US soldiers?

Lawyergate, fake reporters, and the rest - Obama wishes those were the only scandals he was dealing with. :lamo
 
apdst said:
Abu Graib - people went to prison, no direct connection to Bush.
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Neither does the IRS "scandal" or ACORN "scandal" . :shrug:

Hurricane Katrina - Obama's FEMA office in New Jersey working on Hurricane Sandy rekief closed for a week because bad weather.
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In superstorm Sandy, Gov. Chris Christie praises Obama's crisis leadership - The Washington Post

But no photo opp in the world can top the praise of a job well done that comes from an affected, outspoken governor from the other party. In comments that perfectly encapsulated not only the severity of the storm but the divisiveness of our national politics and the bluntness of the speaker, New Jersey governor Chris Christie—primetime GOP convention speaker and frequent campaign surrogate for Mitt Romney—heaped praise on Obama’s initial reaction to the storm.
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Valerie Plame - Bush had nothing to do with it.
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Obama had nothing to do with Benghazi. Or do you have evidence that says otherwise? :shrug:

It was Richard Armitage that told reporters that Plame workes at CIA and she wasn't a covert agent, anyway.
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DoS is under whose management? I'll wait.

Torture of US soldiers?
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USATODAY.com - The ordeal of Chaplain Yee

Accused of espionage, Army Capt. James Yee saw his notoriety bloom overnight. He was vilified on the airwaves and on the Internet as an operative in a supposed spy ring that aimed to pass secrets to al-Qaeda from suspected terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where Yee ministered to them. After his arrest, Yee was blindfolded, placed in manacles and taken to a Navy brig, where he spent 76 days in solitary confinement.

Eight months later, all the criminal charges against the 36-year-old West Point graduate have melted away. A subsequent reprimand has been removed from his record. And while many legal analysts are questioning whether a security-conscious military over-reached in its investigation, Yee is back home at Fort Lewis, Wash., pondering what remains of his military career.

Military officials involved in the case won't say what they thought they had on Yee, or why they pursued him with such zeal. Prosecutions are proceeding against three other men — two Arabic translators and an Army Reserve colonel — who worked at Guantanamo, where the military is holding nearly 600 suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban operatives captured in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
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Maybe tortured was a bit of an exaggeration. He was blindfolded, handcuffed and placed in solitary confinement without reason. Then, the military brought up no charges and waved goodbye to him.

Lawyergate, fake reporters, and the rest - Obama wishes those were the only scandals he was dealing with. :lamo
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Not really. If you were actually objective about this you'd realize that not only did Bush plummet a whole 40% points whereas Obama has basically gone down about half of that (not really all that bad given what he got was given). So no, I doubt that Obama would want Bush's problems. He's got a higher approval rating than Bush without the added boost of a 9/11 type of event with Bush essentially squandered. So no, not in a million years would he want Bush's problems.
 
apdst said:
The Bush scandals were nothing compared to Obama's. Funny how you claim that you're not a Liberal, but you couldn't wait to mention Bush.
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Fabricating war is no big deal... LOL!
 
Hatuey said:
Neither does the IRS "scandal" or ACORN "scandal" . :shrug:



In superstorm Sandy, Gov. Chris Christie praises Obama's crisis leadership - The Washington Post





Obama had nothing to do with Benghazi. Or do you have evidence that says otherwise? :shrug:



DoS is under whose management? I'll wait.



USATODAY.com - The ordeal of Chaplain Yee



Maybe tortured was a bit of an exaggeration. He was blindfolded, handcuffed and placed in solitary confinement without reason. Then, the military brought up no charges and waved goodbye to him.



Not really. If you were actually objective about this you'd realize that not only did Bush plummet a whole 40% points whereas Obama has basically gone down about half of that (not really all that bad given what he got was given). So no, I doubt that Obama would want Bush's problems. He's got a higher approval rating than Bush without the added boost of a 9/11 type of event with Bush essentially squandered. So no, not in a million years would he want Bush's problems.
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FEMA disaster center shuttered “due to weather” - Salon.com
 
apdst said:
FEMA disaster center shuttered “due to weather” - Salon.com
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Are you just posting stuff to look good? Read your own article:

… FEMA spokesman Carter Langston said that the mobile centers were shuttered and staff moved inland because they were not structurally sound enough to weather the storm, which could put their staff in danger.
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You're comparing FEMA moving inland to get its employees out of harms way during a hurricane, to FEMA's mishandling of the hurricane efforts after the hurricane. Don't worry, I'll wait for you to post more stuff that makes your claim look terrible. The fact is, Christie praised Obama's work before/during/after Sandy. Bloomberg did the same.

FEMA and Obama Getting High Praise - Businessweek

Here’s what Christie had to say about Obama on the Today show earlier this week: “The president has been outstanding.” In other television appearances, he appeared to go out of his way to laud the president’s style. Then Christie went even further, telling a Fox News (NWSA) commentator that he wasn’t interested in Mitt Romney visiting the Garden State.
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FEMA wins praise, responds to anger about gas supply - CNN.com

"This is the all-new FEMA, and the leadership is very, very good, very focused," said Dr. Irwin Redlener, a pediatrician and director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health. "They're doing an excellent job."
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New Jersey's Chris Christie -- a Republican whose state bore the brunt of the storm -- told CBS News on Tuesday that "cooperation has been great with FEMA here on the ground," while Delaware's Jack Markell -- a Democrat -- told CNN that people in his state have been "really, really impressed by the response of FEMA."
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Please stop this, FEMA's response to Sandy is hardly something you want to hedge your bets on.
 
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