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Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

"Redskin" REFERS to a race. "RED-SKIN" Get it? The logo is a caricature of a Native American.

ZERO of those you listed has any inkling of the same racial characterization. In fact, your list is laughable. "Saints, Packers, Steelers" etc. Please.

Redskin is not a race, neither is Black or White. Its slang. Get it? Your rebuttal is laughable. Please.
 
oh I don't know... history? The logo on the side of the helmet seems to back this up as well.

I'm not implying anything. I'm citing fact.

It is slang for Native American.

The term has almost disappeared from common usage since the 1960s, except as a name for sports teams, although the number of teams using the name has also been in steady decline.

So, as he said, it isn't a "common term".
 
The logo is a caricature of a Native American.

No it's not.

A caricature is a picture where certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect. That's not the case as it relates to the Redskins logo in any way, shape, or form. Quite the contrary, the logo was created and designed by a former president of the National Congress of American Indians, recieving input from various tribal leaders, in an effort to depict a respectable and accurate depiction as OPPOSED to a caricature.
 
The more I look the more I think you're mixing it up with the logo Mason. Though here's some info regarding the logo's creation:



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OK, if it was the logo instead of the name, my question still stands. The patent office invalidated the patent on the logos as well as the name, so what can a team do, when naming and designing logos, to get everybodys approval inorder to use the name and logo they want and who whould pay for the change if after 70 or 80 years a few people find it offensive?
 
oh I don't know... history? The logo on the side of the helmet seems to back this up as well.

I'm not implying anything. I'm citing fact.

It is slang for Native American.

Please note the Word is in my question as inpresent tense, not was as in past tense.

Nobody uses that Word anymore to refer to Indians anymore so why the offense?
 
The term has almost disappeared from common usage since the 1960s, except as a name for sports teams, although the number of teams using the name has also been in steady decline.

So, as he said, it isn't a "common term".

Thank you.

Again the Word isn't is important.

Present tense.
 
The patent office invalidated the patent on the logos as well as the name

The patent office only invalidated the patents on the logos that use the word "REDSKIN" in them. So

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is no longer copywritten, but

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is.
 
This is just now being announced, so there isn't much out there yet:

So was the US patent office disparaging of native Americans when they first issued the patent, or is this more political correctness?
 
The term has almost disappeared from common usage since the 1960s, except as a name for sports teams, although the number of teams using the name has also been in steady decline.

So, as he said, it isn't a "common term".

Wouldn't " almost disappeared from common usage" mean that it is still present in common usage?
 
Please note the Word is in my question as inpresent tense, not was as in past tense.

Nobody uses that Word anymore to refer to Indians anymore so why the offense?

Nobody huh? Now you speak for everyone I see. Lol
 
Wouldn't " almost disappeared from common usage" mean that it is still present in common usage?

No, it would mean the opposite. If it almost disappeared (and let's remember that it puts the caveat "except for use as a sports team name" right after that, would mean it isn't common at all, except when used as a sports team name. In other words, unless you're talking about a sports team, it isn't common at all.
 
Nobody huh? Now you speak for everyone I see. Lol

I am sorry you cannot understand a simple concept like the Word is no longer in use to refer to Indians.
 
I am sorry you cannot understand a simple concept like the Word is no longer in use to refer to Indians.

Of course it isn't. Which is why this thread doesn't even exist.
 
Of course it isn't. Which is why this thread doesn't even exist.

Please cite one example of this happening in the last, oh I don't know, 10 years.
 
Please cite one example of this happening in the last, oh I don't know, 10 years.

Yeah, I'm not in the NSA so I don't have access to everyone's everyday conversations. Why do you care anyway? You've already declared it all nonexistent.
 
So was the US patent office disparaging of native Americans when they first issued the patent, or is this more political correctness?

Well, since the Native American's have there own term that means pretty much the same thing, and when given the choice of what to name the Indian territory in the west, they chose that term (Okla Humma - which is now the State of Oklahoma and means Red People)... this is just another example of political correctness.

If we were to remove every term in the US form of the English language that offends somebody (or at least five people as was in this case) we wouldn't have too many words left to communicate with.
 
Well, since the Native American's have there own term that means pretty much the same thing, and when given the choice of what to name the Indian territory in the west, they chose that term (Okla Humma - which is now the State of Oklahoma and means Red People)... this is just another example of political correctness.

If we were to remove every term in the US form of the English language that offends somebody (or at least five people as was in this case) we wouldn't have too many words left to communicate with.

And we agree! Howdy Beau!
 
No it's not.

A caricature is a picture where certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect. That's not the case as it relates to the Redskins logo in any way, shape, or form. Quite the contrary, the logo was created and designed by a former president of the National Congress of American Indians, recieving input from various tribal leaders, in an effort to depict a respectable and accurate depiction as OPPOSED to a caricature.

Well maybe you're right. The Redskins logo is totally respectable.

What is your opinion on the Cleveland Indians logo? Do you feel it is "respectable and accurate"?

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Well maybe you're right. The Redskins logo is totally respectable.

What is your opinion on the Cleveland Indians logo? Do you feel it is "respectable and accurate"?

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Personally I don't find it rather accurate or respectable, as the oversided grin, nose, etc and highly colorized skin do represent a caricature as I see no way that grin can be done for anything other than comic effect (comic doesn't necessarily mean "negative). I'm not a fan of the logo, but I'm also not personally offended by it. I can fully understand native americans, or others, being offended by it due to it being a clear caricature. I haven't honestly paid a lot of attention to any of the outrage or issues over that logo, or put much research in it, so I wouldn't feel I'd have a sound foundation to make a claim as to the level of offense towards it by the native american community or other such factors to really comment. But no, I don't find that logo to be similar to the Redskins logo or even the Blackhawks logo
 
Well maybe you're right. The Redskins logo is totally respectable.

What is your opinion on the Cleveland Indians logo? Do you feel it is "respectable and accurate"?

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But this where things get kinda ridiculous though. Its a sports team logo. Caricature was common. Disrespect is not intended. There are still the same handful of people running around clamoring for attention over the stupidest of things. Or...I guess the Catholics should all be really really really really really really angry.
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Anyone can use any name that isn't protected by trademark. What this is, is an attack on the ability of the team owners to protect their brand and make money from that brand. It was the government saying that the name of the company was "offensive." How many other companies are next?

Should the federal government have the power to harm a private company that is not breaking any laws? Because that's exactly what they just did.
The federal government had that power for a long time.

U.S. law denies legal protection for names and logos that “disparage persons or bring them into contempt or disrepute.”

If you want to educate yourself on the matter, instead shoot from the hip, this is the 99-page decision: USPTO TTABVUE. Proceeding Number 92046185
 
The federal government had that power for a long time.

U.S. law denies legal protection for names and logos that “disparage persons or bring them into contempt or disrepute.”

If you want to educate yourself on the matter, instead shoot from the hip, this is the 99-page decision: USPTO TTABVUE. Proceeding Number 92046185

That's very interesting, and what we have to run with then. Still, arguing that doing something that's bad is good on the merits that its been that way for a long time isn't a good argument. Looks like the government should be stripped of that power.
 
The federal government had that power for a long time.

U.S. law denies legal protection for names and logos that “disparage persons or bring them into contempt or disrepute.”

If you want to educate yourself on the matter, instead shoot from the hip, this is the 99-page decision: USPTO TTABVUE. Proceeding Number 92046185

What a very respectful way of responding to another member. You must be a lot fun at family holiday dinners?

You see? The difference between what I state, and what you state, is that I refer to the what the actual law says, and not what the Executive Branch agency just assumed they had the power to do. The law (all that really matters) refers to granting an application, not rescinding a previously granted mark. Two thing matter here; the LAW, and, the language of that LAW. Not the assumed power of an Executive Branch agency that they granted themselves via their own interpretation. And, that is why I said that the government just got themselves another lawsuit. Once this is adjudicated in a REAL court, and not just in an internal hearing by the Executive Branch, I then may have a different opinion. And, even if the law is ruled to grant this action, the Congress can overrule that by simply passing a bill, since the Constitution gives Congress the sole power to promulgate copyright, trademark and patent law, not the Executive Branch. If you'd like, I can give you the citation from the United States Constitution and the Law (which was referenced in the links you provided by the way) so you can (as you said to me) educate yourself properly before you just shoot from the hip (which I only re-state to you so you can see how hateful and disrespectful that statement sounds).

Basically, until an actual court from the Judicial Branch, not the Executive Branch, rules on this, all either you or I can do is have an opinion which is what this site is all about and I fail to see the reason to be so rude in your response to me. Neither of our opinions mean anything other than what we feel is correct. I rely on the Constitution and the Law to form my opinion, however, that is still just my opinion and doesn't mean anything as nor does yours, legally. That's why we have courts, in the Judicial Branch of the US Government. So far, this has not been heard in a real court. Hence, again, my statement that the Executive Branch (the government as I stated previously) has gotten themselves what will surely be a lawsuit from the Washington Redskins that will end up in a real court.
 
That's very interesting, and what we have to run with then. Still, arguing that doing something that's bad is good on the merits that its been that way for a long time isn't a good argument. Looks like the government should be stripped of that power.

They may. IMO, they overstepped their power that is actually granted in the law. Don't be mislead, this is not a ruling from a court in the Judicial Branch, but rather a ruling by an internal board of review in the Executive Branch. This will still probably go to court in the Judicial Branch and could even force Congress to act since they're the branch of government granted the actual power in the Constitution. All that link provides (which I read as soon as this decision came down - not when he posted it here) is the Executive Branch's interpretation of the power they assume that they have, not the actual Law, and it contains a number of contradictions between what the Law actually says and what this ruling describes it as saying.
 
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