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Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

tres borrachos said:
Thank you for not typing out that word. I hate it.

And you are 1000% correct. I defy anyone to tell me I shouldn't be offended by that word just because as a woman, I'm not in the minority.

I'd like to see that logic stand up in court if my boss calls me that word in front of a room of people.
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I would withhold that thanks. I typed it in full, the word censor on this forum censors it.

Thorgasm said:
Women hold a minority status sociologically
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Knew that you'd just keep wiggling around it. Let's be frank..."minority" is any group that isn't white, male, christian and some excuse for suggesting it's a minority can be found, even though many of these same types of arguments could be used to term those other groups as minorities (whites are minority compared to non-whites; males are an actual minority in terms of population in this country; fundamentalist christians, as an example, are a minority compared to non-fundementalists in this country).

The "minority" argument is simply an emotional appeal, as evidenced by how absolutely hollow and continually moving the term is as a means of protecting groups that an individual feels deserves protection and excusing attacks, insults, or assults on groups they think absolutely warrant it.
 
Thorgasm said:
What about the people who are "butt hurt and whiny and victims and all set over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive" when society asks them to stop being insensitive, narcissistic pricks? Apparently it is easier to ask a minority to put up with alienating attitudes than to treat their fellow countrymen with respect.

If you view this as petty on one side, you have to recognize this is petty on the other side too.
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All I am saying is that if we want to do away with racism meaning that skin color will be seen as of no more importance than eye color or hair color, the various races are going to have to stop demanding that they be seen as of a particular race and deferred to because of that. It won't happen if they continue to make issues out of things like the name of the Washington Redskins that has never harmed a single Native American person ever. We cannot be non racist so long as we are required to be sensitive to the slightest nuance or 'objectionable' comment that could possibly offend somebody.

How about we start focusing on treating everybody exactly the same and making certain words socially unacceptable as they used to be, but otherwise no big deal? Then and then only, can people of minority groups take their rightful place as ordinary citizens and be seen as just people instead of members of some minority group.
 
tres borrachos said:
Please point to the post I made where I said anything about praising fighting spirits.
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You're not a fan of reading and keeping up with debates when you're losing - are you?

Hatuey said:
What was it? "Fighting spirit" Grim talked about. You know, the fighting spirit that got 25 million of them exterminated.
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I'll wait. And while you're at it, also tell me who you know was exterminating Native Americans while calling them "redskins". I don't know anyone who did that.
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I wish you actually could extrapolate what you're reading or had access to a library.

Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the entire history of America until the turn of the twentieth century, Indigenous Americans were hunted, killed, and forcibly removed from their lands by European settlers.[18] This includes the paying of bounties beginning in the colonial period with, for example, a proclamation against the Penobscot Indians in 1755 issued by King George II of Great Britain, known commonly as the Phips Proclamation.[19][20] The proclamation orders, “His Majesty’s subjects to Embrace all opportunities of pursuing, captivating, killing and Destroying all and every of the aforesaid Indians.” The colonial government paid 50 pounds for scalps of males over 12 years, 25 pounds for scalps of women over 12, and 20 pounds for scalps of boys and girls under 12. Twenty-five British pounds sterling in 1755, worth around $9,000 today —a small fortune in those days when an English teacher earned 60 pounds a year.[19] Since the proclamation itself does not use the word, citing it as the origin of "redskin" as another word for scalp has also been called "revisionist history".[21] However, a historical association between the use of "redskin" and the paying of bounties can be made. In 1863, a Winona, MN newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed among other announcements: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth." [22]
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If you think the name "Redskins" is so bad, do something about it.
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I'm supporting the PO on this.
 
Hatuey said:
You're not a fan of reading and keeping up with debates when you're losing - are you?




I wish you actually could extrapolate what you're reading or had access to a library.

Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





I'm supporting the PO on this.
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So you're asking me to weigh in on something Grim said?

What a collosal waste of my time. You have something to say about Grim's post? Say it to him. I'm neither his mommy nor his keeper.

Ugh.
 
Zyphlin said:
Knew that you'd just keep wiggling around it. Let's be frank..."minority" is any group that isn't white, male, christian and some excuse for suggesting it's a minority can be found, even though many of these same types of arguments could be used to term those other groups as minorities (whites are minority compared to non-whites; males are an actual minority in terms of population in this country; fundamentalist christians, as an example, are a minority compared to non-fundementalists in this country).

The "minority" argument is simply an emotional appeal, as evidenced by how absolutely hollow and continually moving the term is as a means of protecting groups that an individual feels deserves protection and excusing attacks, insults, or assults on groups they think absolutely warrant it.
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There is no "wiggling". Take a sociology class at your local junior college. You can't deny that women held a "second class citizen" status for a long time. To deny that is absurd. Maybe you slept through the women's liberation movement. That movement was because there were treated as a minority.

Yes, technically, males are a minority. White males have never held a minority status sociologically though. Even minority males have held a higher status than minority females.
 
It seems now that a nameless bureaucrat can remove your property rights on a whim, and this action finds some support from those who defend big government and an all powerful bureaucracy.

What's happened to America??
 
AlbqOwl said:
All I am saying is that if we want to do away with racism meaning that skin color will be seen as of no more importance than eye color or hair color, the various races are going to have to stop demanding that they be seen as of a particular race and deferred to because of that. It won't happen if they continue to make issues out of things like the name of the Washington Redskins that has never harmed a single Native American person ever. We cannot be non racist so long as we are required to be sensitive to the slightest nuance or 'objectionable' comment that could possibly offend somebody.
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While you complain about people being sensitive, it just adds to the insensitive attitude that perpetuates these racial issues. "Get over it" is no solace to minorities. It translates to, "I'm tired of hearing about how insensitive people are to the minority."

What tribe are you from? The hubris you display electing yourself as the person to speak to whether the name causes offense is part of the problem.

AlbqOwl said:
How about we start focusing on treating everybody exactly the same and making certain words socially unacceptable as they used to be, but otherwise no big deal? Then and then only, can people of minority groups take their rightful place as ordinary citizens and be seen as just people instead of members of some minority group.
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It would be wonderful if all things could be equal. All things are not equal. Pretending they are is no solution.
 
Grant said:
It seems now that a nameless bureaucrat can remove your property rights on a whim, and this action finds some support from those who defend big government and an all powerful bureaucracy.

What's happened to America??
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The Patent Office now owns the Washington Redskins???
 
Thorgasm said:
While you complain about people being sensitive, it just adds to the insensitive attitude that perpetuates these racial issues. "Get over it" is no solace to minorities. It translates to, "I'm tired of hearing about how insensitive people are to the minority."

What tribe are you from? The hubris you display electing yourself as the person to speak to whether the name causes offense is part of the problem.



It would be wonderful if all things could be equal. All things are not equal. Pretending they are is no solution.
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I think you missed the point. But oh well.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I think you missed the point. But oh well.
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Your point was to blame the victim (the offended).

The jist of your post was if they stop getting offended, people will stop offending them. It's a flawed outlook. The people that offend them don't care either way. That's the whole problem.
 
Thorgasm said:
Your point was to blame the victim (the offended).

The jist of your post was if they stop getting offended, people will stop offending them. It's a flawed outlook. The people that offend them don't care either way. That's the whole problem.
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My post blamed nobody for anything. But it did offer a rationale for how racism is kept alive and well--much of it for fun and profit--in this country. Now you can discuss it on that basis if you like, or continue to accuse me of something I didn't say. Your choice.
 
Thorgasm said:
There is no "wiggling". Take a sociology class at your local junior college. You can't deny that women held a "second class citizen" status for a long time. To deny that is absurd. Maybe you slept through the women's liberation movement. That movement was because there were treated as a minority.
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Excellent strawman, but it doesn't address what I stated. I never suggested that women have never been a minority. My suggestion was simply that screaming "MINORITY" as you've basically been doing is a poor argument point, because the reality is that one can twist things around in any fashion to attempt to classify various groups as "Minorities" or not. You even note that today, currently, men are minorities and women are not...and you claimed that there should not be outrage if a non-minority is slurred...but when I point that out, you shuffle around and go "Well, they ARE a minority if you just look at it in a different fashion". Which if you want to go that route...fine. But the same type of logic and attempt to twist the word to suit your particular agenda at any given point can be done to suggest whites are a minority, to suggest certain segments of christians are a minority, to suggest men are minorities, etc. Simply screaming "Minorities! That's why it's not bad" or "Not minoirites! That's why it's okay!" is a ridiculous tactic, and as you're called out on it you just move the goal posts and change your definitions to try and justify it for your particular agenda at that given moment.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Excellent strawman, but it doesn't address what I stated. I never suggested that women have never been a minority. My suggestion was simply that screaming "MINORITY" as you've basically been doing is a poor argument point, because the reality is that one can twist things around in any fashion to attempt to classify various groups as "Minorities" or not. You even note that today, currently, men are minorities and women are not...and you claimed that there should not be outrage if a non-minority is slurred...but when I point that out, you shuffle around and go "Well, they ARE a minority if you just look at it in a different fashion". Which if you want to go that route...fine. But the same type of logic and attempt to twist the word to suit your particular agenda at any given point can be done to suggest whites are a minority, to suggest certain segments of christians are a minority, to suggest men are minorities, etc. Simply screaming "Minorities! That's why it's not bad" or "Not minoirites! That's why it's okay!" is a ridiculous tactic, and as you're called out on it you just move the goal posts and change your definitions to try and justify it for your particular agenda at that given moment.
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The issue is social power, not numbers. You really shouldn't be confused.
 
Grant said:
It seems now that a nameless bureaucrat can remove your property rights on a whim, and this action finds some support from those who defend big government and an all powerful bureaucracy.

What's happened to America??
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When this government successfully destroys big business, who will pay the taxes in this country?
 
Zyphlin said:
Excellent strawman, but it doesn't address what I stated. I never suggested that women have never been a minority. My suggestion was simply that screaming "MINORITY" as you've basically been doing is a poor argument point, because the reality is that one can twist things around in any fashion to attempt to classify various groups as "Minorities" or not. You even note that today, currently, men are minorities and women are not...and you claimed that there should not be outrage if a non-minority is slurred...but when I point that out, you shuffle around and go "Well, they ARE a minority if you just look at it in a different fashion". Which if you want to go that route...fine. But the same type of logic and attempt to twist the word to suit your particular agenda at any given point can be done to suggest whites are a minority, to suggest certain segments of christians are a minority, to suggest men are minorities, etc. Simply screaming "Minorities! That's why it's not bad" or "Not minoirites! That's why it's okay!" is a ridiculous tactic, and as you're called out on it you just move the goal posts and change your definitions to try and justify it for your particular agenda at that given moment.

Yes, technically, males are a minority. White males have never held a minority status sociologically though. Even minority males have held a higher status than minority females.
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Some whites males have.

Irish White males in New York were a minority and treated that way as well as Jewish White males were.

Why did they loose their minority status now?
 
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Zyphlin said:
Excellent strawman, but it doesn't address what I stated. I never suggested that women have never been a minority. My suggestion was simply that screaming "MINORITY" as you've basically been doing is a poor argument point, because the reality is that one can twist things around in any fashion to attempt to classify various groups as "Minorities" or not. You even note that today, currently, men are minorities and women are not...and you claimed that there should not be outrage if a non-minority is slurred...but when I point that out, you shuffle around and go "Well, they ARE a minority if you just look at it in a different fashion". Which if you want to go that route...fine. But the same type of logic and attempt to twist the word to suit your particular agenda at any given point can be done to suggest whites are a minority, to suggest certain segments of christians are a minority, to suggest men are minorities, etc. Simply screaming "Minorities! That's why it's not bad" or "Not minoirites! That's why it's okay!" is a ridiculous tactic, and as you're called out on it you just move the goal posts and change your definitions to try and justify it for your particular agenda at that given moment.
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That's because people are throwing up false equivalencies. All things are not equal. Blondes did not get kicked off their land and were not killed in droves.(Easy Blonde) White people were not enslaved. (Cracker Barrel)

I have stated that it is not okay to disparage anyone. But I'm not going to pretend that all things are equal when they aren't. Calling a white person a "cracker" is not the same thing as calling a black person the n-word. The world is not binary. There are shades of grey. I would appreciate if you would be honest about this. I didn't say it was okay or not bad. You are the one beating down a strawman.
 
Mason66 said:
Some whites males have.

Irish White males in New York were a minority and treated that way as well as Jewish White males were.

Why did they loose their minority status now?
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People who were more different came along.
 
Mason66 said:
When this government successfully destroys big business, who will pay the taxes in this country?
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Are you saying that corporate welfare is keeping businesses down?
 
Grant said:
It seems now that a nameless bureaucrat can remove your property rights on a whim, and this action finds some support from those who defend big government and an all powerful bureaucracy.

What's happened to America??
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Socialism.
 
Thorgasm said:
Are you saying that corporate welfare is keeping businesses down?
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The government went after this business to destroy it financially.

Do you not see that?
 
Thorgasm said:
People who were more different came along.
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But you said because of previous actions, the group retains its minority status and has a right to complain about what they want to.

Why did those White men loose their right to complain but other groups have not?
 
Mason66 said:
The government went after this business to destroy it financially.

Do you not see that?
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Good grief. They aren't going to destroy it.
 
Mason66 said:
But you said because of previous actions, the group retains its minority status and has a right to complain about what they want to.

Why did those White men loose their right to complain but other groups have not?
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Because they all became cops and have guns now. :lol:
 
Mason66 said:
Why did those White men loose their right to complain but other groups have not?
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White men are not oppressed. Why must so many of them play the victim. Pooor white victims! Won't someone do something to help them?!

I swear I see more white people cry victim than minorities. It's like the ratio of actual oppression to complaints is inverse. Who even has time for minority complaints these days; the wails of middle-aged white hetero men drown out actual suffering.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So you're asking me to weigh in on something Grim said?
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Is there anyone in your household that I can speak to? Someone slightly older. I really do. You obviously do not understand what is being said and basically pick sections of posts to go after so that your arguments don't seem so ridiculous. So yes, I need you to get off the computer and put someone on who has had enough adult level discussions that they don't feel a need to do that.
 
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