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Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

More people are killed with cars than with guns and you know it. Guess what, we don't have an "epidemic" of hand gun killings either.


So Obama made Detroit and Chicago safer then? That's good to hear, especially from you.
 
MADD - Statistics According to MADD over 10K people died in 2012 from DUI accidents, so by your logic 10K people should be in jail for providing the cars they were driving.
 
To be honest, I am a bit torn on this decision. On one hand, buying a gun to give to another, in order to circumvent the system of background checks, should be a crime. On the other hand, if I wanted to buy a present for a friend who is having a birthday, would I be breaking the law? It appears that I would be, and that is where I disagree with this decision.

Discussion?

Article is here.

The gun should be re-registered, just like an automobile with all the receiving gun owner requirements met....EXCEPT we know they won't be. The problem here is threefold...

1. above

2. just like stolen cars it does nothing about stolen guns

3. the real problem is nut jobs and gang-bangers (nut jobs and gang bangers that the cops can't/or won't do anything about until after the fact)
 
So Obama made Detroit and Chicago safer then? That's good to hear, especially from you.

That's about 1000 deaths. Mostly dead gang members. BFD. Not all were from handguns. Prove to me where the guns came from. Usually stolen.
 
The gun should be re-registered, just like an automobile with all the receiving gun owner requirements met....EXCEPT we know they won't be. The problem here is threefold...

1. above

2. just like stolen cars it does nothing about stolen guns

3. the real problem is nut jobs and gang-bangers (nut jobs and gang bangers that the cops can't/or won't do anything about until after the fact)
Re-registered? Hmmmmmm, more code for confiscation.
 
Re-registered? Hmmmmmm, more code for confiscation.

You think ANY gun purchase right now is not reported and registered? Surprise, surprise, surprise.
 
The guys problem was he got paid to buy the gun 3 days before he actually bought it for his uncle, not only that the uncle wrote glock 19 in the memo section.

I'm sure (at least I hope so) there wouldn't have even been an issue if he bought the gun and then sold/gave it to his uncle.

That's correct.

The instructions for a 4473 expressly state that purchasing a firearm as a gift for someone who is not a prohibited person is perfectly fine. It also states that taking money to purchase a firearm for someone else is prohibited. Abramski screwed up by taking money for the purchase before it was made.
 
You think ANY gun purchase right now is not reported and registered? Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Not true, I have said all along the don't just gather all that info on you for nothing. But if we believe them, there is no registration.
 
There's a difference between buying a gun as a present and acting on someone's behalf to buy a gun.
 
More people are killed with cars than with guns and you know it. Guess what, we don't have an "epidemic" of hand gun killings either.

Tell that to the to any big inner-city police department.
 
Tell that to the to any big inner-city police department.

Find one and I will. I will also tell him to start doing his job and start breaking down the gangs. And BTW, I am the son of a big city police officer.
 
To be honest, I am a bit torn on this decision. On one hand, buying a gun to give to another, in order to circumvent the system of background checks, should be a crime. On the other hand, if I wanted to buy a present for a friend who is having a birthday, would I be breaking the law? It appears that I would be, and that is where I disagree with this decision.

Discussion?

Article is here.

I can see your point about gifting but you could just simply kind of gift card it in a way. "IOU one glock " then go get it together with your money and his physical presence.
 
Not true, I have said all along the don't just gather all that info on you for nothing. But if we believe them, there is no registration.

If you believe there isn't a record of WHO purchased any new handgun now days, I've got some beachfront property in north Nevada for sale. That's how they know if it's a registered or unregistered weapon upon serial number check of the gun.
 
If you believe there isn't a record of WHO purchased any new handgun now days, I've got some beachfront property in north Nevada for sale. That's how they know if it's a registered or unregistered weapon upon serial number check of the gun.

You didn't read my post. I know, or think, that all the info in the 4473 is not just shredded after 48 or so hours. Like its supposed to be. No one gathers all that, just to throw it away.
 
I can see your point about gifting but you could just simply kind of gift card it in a way. "IOU one glock " then go get it together with your money and his physical presence.
Wow, sounds like a fun Christmas morning.
 
It's simple logic. If they are too dangerous to own a firearm, they shouldn't be out. It's completely idiotic, that someone who gets a felony for possession of marijuann when their 19 can't even own a firearm when their 50. The logic is completely out the window on that one.

"We feel like you are dangerous so you will stay in jail past your term."


Laws don't work like that sooooo...
 
I bet more minors have died from adults providing alcohol for them then people killed by straw purchase guns. Lets work on that if anything.

That law already exists so what's your point?

Also, when you say "I'll bet.." Is that your way of making something up rather than taking a skosh of time to look it up?
 
I would agree with that also. Personally I think firearm restrictions should only come from firearm-related crimes.

I think this whole thing is just a way to take peoples rights away and call it righteous. :shrug:
 
That law already exists so what's your point?

Also, when you say "I'll bet.." Is that your way of making something up rather than taking a skosh of time to look it up?

I said I bet. You are right. But in my 51 years, I have heard and seen more kids dying from underage drinking than from gun shots. Through my job and from just paying attention. You may want to try it.
 
You brought up well regulated militias. I brought up the court case where you do not have to be a part of a well regulated militia to own a firearm. If I missed your point, my apologies.

What I mean is that the 2nd amendment does not invalidate any and all gun control laws. Background checks are constitutionally valid.
 
I think this whole thing is just a way to take peoples rights away and call it righteous. :shrug:

I think assuming the other guy has comic book villain motivations is lazy and ignorant, and it prevents one from really analyzing and discussing the issues. :shrug:
 
Put me in jail if I sell a car to someone that kills someone in a DUI accident too? Or how about I rent my house out and someone kills another in it?

Neither the car nor the house are weapons. Not comparable.
 
Neither the car nor the house are weapons. Not comparable.

Bull, a car can be every bit a weapon and has been used as a weapon many times. Homes can provide cover for crimes like making meth or growing pot or just look at John Wayne Gacy. Used to hide victims.
 
I said I bet. You are right. But in my 51 years, I have heard and seen more kids dying from underage drinking than from gun shots. Through my job and from just paying attention. You may want to try it.

Personal observations are the worst way to try to analyze statistical issues. Gun homicides are about twice as common as someone under 21 being killed in a drinking-related incident.
 
Bull, a car can be every bit a weapon and has been used as a weapon many times. Homes can provide cover for crimes like making meth or growing pot or just look at John Wayne Gacy. Used to hide victims.

You're reaching.

Guns are weapons. That's their main function. Cars are transportation first and foremost. Homes are shelters first and foremost. There's no comparison.
 
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