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IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

ocean515 said:
As the majority of citizens are indicating, it appears it is you and those of your ilk are excusing the inexcusable. With credibility already vacant on the issue, it's probably coming down to who cares what your ilk thinks?

With recent revelations about what is obvious to the most simple of minds is destruction of evidence, only the fully controlled can wave a hand and try to sell a "nothing to see here" meme.

Keep waving, it's not helping your agenda.
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come back and post when you actually have something linking the white house to an illegal loss of data
til then, you have nothing
 
Hard drives from 6 people accused in the illegal targeting of American Citizens have been DESTROYED.

And he's in here defending it.
 
Hard drives destroyed from 6 people accused in the illegal targeting of Conservatives and where's Obama ?

Where's Holder ?
 
Fenton said:
Yea right. Pot meet kettle.

You guys have been covering for Obama and the Democrats on every issue including Benghazi and the IRS scandal.

I can understand a disagreement on policy, but when you people willfully ignore and attempt to divert away from something as profoundly corrupt as the IRSs targeting of American Citizens you've traded away your integrity for a membership in the Barrack Obama fan club.
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"You people"?
 
Fenton said:
Hard drives destroyed from 6 people accused in the illegal targeting of Conservatives and where's Obama ?

Where's Holder ?
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you don't need holder
form a congressional committee and question the principals




ooops, that didn't flush out any evidence of wrongdoing, either, did it
 
Kobie said:
"You people"?
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Yea, YOU PEOPLE.

Apologist and defenders of a administration that's making light of a unprecedented amount of corruption.
 
justabubba said:
you don't need holder
form a congressional committee and question the principals




ooops, that didn't flush out any evidence of wrongdoing, either, did it
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Hard to " Flush out " evidence that's been DESTROYED.

So, you going to keep proving my point or what ??
 
Fenton said:
Hard to " Flush out " evidence that's been DESTROYED.

So, you going to keep proving my point or what ??
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so, your congressional committee could not flush out evidence of wrongdoing
that has to be disappointing for your side
 
justabubba said:
come back and post when you actually have something linking the white house to an illegal loss of data
til then, you have nothing
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It's not important to me to unravel what is obvious to a majority of citizens. The probability that select people, who just happen to be at the center of an investigation, would miraculously suffer an identical fate, is so many deviations outside the realm of probability that only the most fervent believers could dismiss the obvious.

Until you can explain how the impossible can be made possible, your demand means nothing. The smoking cannon is rather obvious, no matter how much the fervent left wants to ignore it.

I suppose that's why so many view your ilk with such humor.
 
justabubba said:
so, your congressional committee could not flush out evidence of wrongdoing
that has to be disappointing for your side
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And you'll keep trading integrity for ideology, refusing to admit the obvious.

Refusing to acknowledge the blatant obstructionism and destruction of evidence.

Ive already addressed this issue, and all you've done since is prove my point.
 
ocean515 said:
It's not important to me to unravel what is obvious to a majority of citizens. The probability that select people, who just happen to be at the center of an investigation, would miraculously suffer an identical fate, is so many deviations outside the realm of probability that only the most fervent believers could dismiss the obvious.

Until you can explain how the impossible can be made possible, your demand means nothing. The smoking cannon is rather obvious, no matter how much the fervent left wants to ignore it.

I suppose that's why so many view your ilk with such humor.
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there is no smoke
there is no cannon
there is no evidence of connection to the white house

all we have are a bunch of wingers who have nothing except a hopefulness that one day there will finally be something negative that can actually be tied to the white house
but keep looking. if you actually find something, then i will want to see it, too
 
Fenton said:
Yea, YOU PEOPLE.

Apologist and defenders of a administration that's making light of a unprecedented amount of corruption.
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Thanks for clarifying. /eyeroll
 
Fenton said:
And you'll keep trading integrity for ideology, refusing to admit the obvious.

Refusing to acknowledge the blatant obstructionism and destruction of evidence.

Ive already addressed this issue, and all you've done since is prove my point.
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you have proven nothing
that IS the point
you would want proof, but all you actually possess is conjecture
 
justabubba said:
you have proven nothing
that IS the point
you would want proof, but all you actually possess is conjecture
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Lol

Is it worth it ?

To exist in a willful and perpetuatal state of delusion for a Political ideology ?
 
justabubba said:
there is no smoke
there is no cannon
there is no evidence of connection to the white house

all we have are a bunch of wingers who have nothing except a hopefulness that one day there will finally be something negative that can actually be tied to the white house
but keep looking. if you actually find something, then i will want to see it, too
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As I wrote, delusion appears to be a problem with your ilk, not the majority of citizens. Much like the support for the orchestrated invasion by citizens from foreign countries, it would appear the Progressive Machine is determined to speed along it's implosion under the weight of it's own subversive pathetic agenda.
 
Fenton said:
Lol

Is it worth it ?

To exist in a willful and perpetuatal state of delusion for a Political ideology ?
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It's not hard to believe when you consider how many people think the Holocaust didn't happen.
 
This is so ridiculous....Is there any rational person that believes for one second that if this were a republican president in office right now with these same levels of deception, and corruption coming out of the administration that demo's wouldn't be screaming with foaming mouths calling for the outright arrest of that president?

Look, loyal partisans like Bubba, and Kobie are going to rest on the hopes that by destroying evidence that would incriminate them is going to save Obama from having to resign in disgrace, and that may be true. However, the damage done to the party, and the progressive movement as a whole is going to be akin to the damage that Woodrow Wilson did in 1913 that sent that movement underground for a hundred years...

The hubris, and arrogance shown toward congress yesterday by the IRS chief was astonishing...He, Learner, and the rest of these pukes that abuse their power are the ones that need to be arrested right now! And the investigation needs to pursue onward to uncover every shred, and if nothing can ultimately be tied to the WH because of their obfuscation, and willful evidence tampering, and destruction, then at the least that asterisk needs to be there.

Bubba's argument seems to be that because they destroyed evidence then nothing is there to link...That is laughable...Can anyone imagine for example if in a murder investigation we weren't able to successfully convict without the murder weapon...The only precedent I see being set here for future administrations is to make sure if you're going to break the law, and screw over the American people, then all you have to do is make sure you destroy anything that may link you to it, and you're scott free. What a horrible path forward, and can be directly blamed on the current trash in the WH.
 
justabubba said:
you have proven nothing
that IS the point
you would want proof, but all you actually possess is conjecture
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Perhaps you could suggest to your leaders that they refrain from the subversive activities and just bring their leadership agenda out in the open.

I'd suggest they should have just assembled all the various hard drives, servers, backups, etc., that every email system has, and some are required to have by law, and in front of reporters and the public, and while they watch, toss all of them into a blast furnace.

Afterward, they could report that it appears all email communication between the IRS and outside "agencies" appears to be impossible to recover. The astounding coincidence the particular equipment just happened to belong to people at the center of an investigation into political targeting by one of the most powerful agencies in the United States could be claimed as just one of those peculiar things in nature.

There would be nothing anyone could do about it, and the giant middle finger from the IRS and it's controllers to the citizens of the United States would just have to be tolerated. While their smug faces would be met with the same outrage, any hope people would be allowed to recover the information would be understood.

Perhaps you could run that by your ilk, as you put it, and see if they agree.
 
apdst said:
Lerner wanted to arrest people because of their political lean. You're ok with that?
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justabubba said:
would you please show us a cite confirming your allegation
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apdst said:
BREAKING: New Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups - Katie Pavlich
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BREAKING: New Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups - Katie Pavlich
...Lois Lerner was in contact with the Department of Justice in May 2013 about whether tax exempt groups could be criminally prosecuted for "lying" about political activity.​

I am just an Arkansas who barely graduated high school [2.08 GPA]. But to me,it doesn't seem that "lying about political activity" is quite the same as a political lean.
Unless of course apdst is making the case that lying is a political lean.

Is that what you're doing here, apdst?

Are you making the case lying is a "political lean"?
'Cause if that's the case we pretty much just have a single political lean ensconced in DC, not two.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
BREAKING: New Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups - Katie Pavlich
...Lois Lerner was in contact with the Department of Justice in May 2013 about whether tax exempt groups could be criminally prosecuted for "lying" about political activity.​

I am just an Arkansas who barely graduated high school [2.08 GPA]. But to me,it doesn't seem that "lying about political activity" is quite the same as a political lean.
Unless of course apdst is making the case that lying is a political lean.

Is that what you're doing here, apdst?

Are you making the case lying is a "political lean"?
'Cause if that's the case we pretty much just have a single political lean ensconced in DC, not two.
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When you can show us where Lerner wanted to go after Liberal groups, then you might have a point.

Also, if these groups were committing a prosecutable act, Lerner wouldn't need to even ask the question. However, there's little doubt that Lerner committed a crime, when she violated these peoples's civil rights.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
BREAKING: New Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups - Katie Pavlich
...Lois Lerner was in contact with the Department of Justice in May 2013 about whether tax exempt groups could be criminally prosecuted for "lying" about political activity.​

I am just an Arkansas who barely graduated high school [2.08 GPA]. But to me,it doesn't seem that "lying about political activity" is quite the same as a political lean.
Unless of course apdst is making the case that lying is a political lean.

Is that what you're doing here, apdst?

Are you making the case lying is a "political lean"?
'Cause if that's the case we pretty much just have a single political lean ensconced in DC, not two.
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It sure would define the Democrat party as of late.
 
apdst said:
When you can show us where Lerner wanted to go after Liberal groups, then you might have a point.

Also, if these groups were committing a prosecutable act, Lerner wouldn't need to even ask the question. However, there's little doubt that Lerner committed a crime, when she violated these peoples's civil rights.
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Right. And if the IRS determines that someone was "lying about political activity" then the IRS could revoke their tax exempt status. But as is typical of leftist totalitarians, it seems Lerner and Co. wanted to criminalize political behavior she disagreed with.

What this whole IRS episode is exposing is the knee-jerk liberal reaction to defend the bureaucracy at the expense of the individual. It really shouldnt be too much to ask that those leftists who want a large intrusive state also demand that that state be accountable, honest and free of corruption. But so long as the apparatus of the state is pursuing the leftist ideology in some fashion, liberals will excuse any behavior no matter how corrupt and tyrannical.
 
Fletch said:
Right. And if the IRS determines that someone was "lying about political activity" then the IRS could revoke their tax exempt status. But as is typical of leftist totalitarians, it seems Lerner and Co. wanted to criminalize political behavior she disagreed with.

What this whole IRS episode is exposing is the knee-jerk liberal reaction to defend the bureaucracy at the expense of the individual. It really shouldnt be too much to ask that those leftists who want a large intrusive state also demand that that state be accountable, honest and free of corruption. But so long as the apparatus of the state is pursuing the leftist ideology in some fashion, liberals will excuse any behavior no matter how corrupt and tyrannical.
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And if Lerner is so certain that a crime was committed then why isn't she saying all that, now, in her own defense?
 
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