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IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

jmotivator said:
I do this for a living. There is no one server crash in ANY federal mail system that will erase a users email archive. Give me their dead server and access to their Iron Mountain tape archive.

This is the smoking gun. This is what starts sending people to jail.
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From your lips to God's ears!
 
Grim17 said:
On a side note... I wonder if this got mentioned tonight on the nightly news by ABC, NBC or CBS... If I were a betting man, I would say maybe one of them did, but it wouldn't surprise me if none of them mentioned it at all...

This was a "Friday news dump" that the IRS purposely told to congress today, so that hopefully by Monday it will be forgotten by our diligent main stream news media and they never have to report it.
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I just googled your question and there is no footage posted from any of the government controlled media.

There is are AP stories that were cut and pasted to the websites.

NBC/USA Today ran original copy.
 
Anthony60 said:
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Excuse me if I don't believe these people. Someone needs to go to jail, and we the people need to know what the hell is going on with the IRS and the White House.
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BS. Those emails are somewhere on a server, not just on people's personal computers.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I am not so quick to rule out indolence nor incompetence.
However, if it were not one of the options listed, then the account is not true.
I premised my comments on the account provided being true.
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Are you actually saying that only the emails sent outside of the IRS, those sent to the White House, Department of Justice and so on are the only ones that are not retrievable and YOU see nothing suspicious about this?

Even Jay Carney has resigned. How can you hang on?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I am not so quick to rule out indolence nor incompetence.
However, if it were not one of the options listed, then the account is not true.
I premised my comments on the account provided being true.
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I am very quick to rule it out, since I work in a technical field with networks, servers, etc. This is either a delay attempt or an outright denial. Hard drives these days can be burned to a crisp and most of the data can still be pulled from them. Mail servers have full backup and replication. The chances that these particular emails, from one particular person under investigation by Congress, were lost as they claim? The odds are you'd have a better chance at winning the millions jackpot lottery a few times consecutively.
 
Jerry said:
The IRS is welcome to continue having "computer crashes" and loosing all sorts of data from verious policy, current legal actions, employee payroll, even the deed to its buildings...and then close.
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You're describing a murder-suicide.

What we need is a suicide only.

Close this corrupt and politically misused department of intimidation once and for all.
 
SgtRock said:
Oh hell, my computer crashed and I lost all my tax records, sorry IRS.
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YOU will go to jail.

THEY will get a bonus immediately and employment for life to follow.
 
Anthony60 said:
I think that just a few years ago, they would never try such an outrageous, insulting excuse. But this administration is very brazen now, they will say anything. They know that 1) The press will just let it go and 2) They can say virtually anything without being called on it by the drones on the left. I think they are just trying to find the edge of the envelope, where they will finally be called on something they say by their own supporters.

The sad thing is, they haven't found the limit yet. Obama had promised to be the most transparent administration ever, then after the election, proceeded to be one of the most secretive administrations ever. Not a peep from the left.

They must sit there and laugh as they decide what crap they are going to put out. "The computer crashed, we lost all the emails." Then someone says,"are you kidding? We can't say that!" Then they review what Obama has already said, stuff like "he just found out about it on the news". Or,"He saw it in the newspaper." "Everything will be on C-SPAN." Then they all laugh (at us) and decide to go ahead, no matter how outrageous.

Just imagine a break-in at a hotel room of the Republicans, that Obama had no knowledge of, but decided to try and cover it up. Think something like that would force him out of office? Not a chance.
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Without looking it up I'm not sure of the exact number, but Nixon went through 4 or 5 Attorneys General because they were doing their jobs.

Holder is a corrupt and corrupting tool of lies and deceit.

It's really too bad that after the long nightmare of our racial injustices, we finally elect a Black President who appoints a Black Attorney General and they are both so dishonest and corrupt that the stain will always persist.

Why couldn't we have elected a man like Nelson Mandela who had the courage and ability to unite and lead rather than to divide, lie, steal and corrupt.

It's sad when an opportunity is thrown away.
 
tacomancer said:
The government. I will disagree that their credibility is as low as you say, but I wouldn't want to take their word for it in this case. But yes, I would like to see the incident info on this one before I would give them a pass.

Very likely, their legal hold procedures should have prevented this at the very least, above and beyond any normal back up routines.
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I am stunned that you feel like the credibility of the government is not low.

What on Earth have they done or said during the Obama Administration that is free of agenda driven, politically motivated messaging.

They have no credibility whatsoever.

I'm serious. What has the government said that is completely and absolutely true?
 
code1211 said:
I am stunned that you feel like the credibility of the government is not low.

What on Earth have they done or said during the Obama Administration that is free of agenda driven, politically motivated messaging.

They have no credibility whatsoever.

I'm serious. What has the government said that is completely and absolutely true?
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I didn't write low. I wrote, so low. It's low, just now that low (if that makes sense)

Right now the government seems at the cusp of getting away from people and out of control, especially from the homeland security aspect with the wire tapping and all the other things they are doing. This, as far as I can tell, is a direct result of the response to 9/11. I don't particularly link it to any specific administration or politician, but due to its own inertia. The IRS is largely calcified as well.

We are really need of a constitution amendment to sunset all laws at ten years to start cleaning out the old baggage of government to start bringing it under better control and to help streamline it. I think that would go a long way to solving the issue.
 
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Saying they lost all the emails because of hard drive failure is like waking up one morning to pictures all over Facebook of some douche tea bagging you while you slept.

Where's the outrage? Where's the lynch mob? I'm ready and willing to join up right now...but no one seems to care?
 
KevinKohler said:
Saying they lost all the emails because of hard drive failure is like waking up one morning to pictures all over Facebook of some douche tea bagging you while you slept.

Where's the outrage? Where's the lynch mob? I'm ready and willing to join up right now...but no one seems to care?
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time to appoint a special investigator; one selected by the congress rather than the white house
 
Lois Lerner takes the 5th and after more than a year asking for these e-mails we now are told the computers crashed and all is lost. Then we have Obama saying there is not a smidgeon of wrong doing. Or some lie to that effect. Does Obama and his administration have an ounce of creditability left?
 
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justabubba said:
time to appoint a special investigator; one selected by the congress rather than the white house
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While the right wing has a history of trumping things up in the past, I think this is a case where you are correct, there is sufficient evidence of an actual cover up here to warrant further investigation and possible prosecution.
 
Born Free said:
Lois Lerner takes the 5th and after more than a year asking for these e-mails we now are told the computers crashed and all is lost. Then we have Obama saying there is not a smiggen of wrong doing. Or some lie to that effect. Does Obama and his administration have an ounce of creditability left?
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Not even a smidgeon.
 
justabubba said:
time to appoint a special investigator; one selected by the congress rather than the white house
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How long does a Special Prosecutor take? A year or better? And don't you have to have a President, and an administration (ie: Atty General) willing to do the right thing? I don't think they are.

All a SP does is allow them to clam up, and not talk about anything using the tired old, but much used excuse of this administration, that they can't comment because this is 'under investigation'... Then after a year, after a year and a half they can simply say 'what? that old story?' ... 'Dude, that was like two years ago'....
 
tacomancer said:
While the right wing has a history of trumping things up in the past, I think this is a case where you are correct, there is sufficient evidence of an actual cover up here to warrant further investigation and possible prosecution.
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This should transcend the partisan. After all, the IRS sucks the blood from all of us.
 
nota bene said:
This should transcend the partisan. After all, the IRS sucks the blood from all of us.
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Crime should, and in this case, there is reason to believe that there is evidence of an actual crime. My point was in most senate investigations, its just digging for political dirt.
 
Ockham said:
You know what's funny? That this lame "the dog ate my homework" type excuse is probably going to stick and be defended to the hilt. That's have ****ed up our country has become.
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Actually, it is not going to be defended by me at least. I agree completely with those that say bull****. This kind of excuse is itself reason enough to open a thorough investigation. This is exactly the sort of excuse that definitely should result in us wondering "What in the hell are they trying to hide?"

Furthermore, it isn't only the IRS that would have backups on their email servers of correspondence. That correspondence passed through the White House email servers as well, and should be available from there, at least in very significant part.
 
tacomancer said:
Crime should, and in this case, there is reason to believe that there is evidence of an actual crime. My point was in most senate investigations, its just digging for political dirt.
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True enough I guess...But who do we have to blame for that de evolution in our representative bodies? Don't we have to consider that it takes two to tango here?
 
j-mac said:
True enough I guess...But who do we have to blame for that de evolution in our representative bodies? Don't we have to consider that it takes two to tango here?
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pretty much all politicians imho
 
tacomancer said:
I am suspicious of the word crash which is too often used as short hand to describe other types of issues. That being said, backup systems can and do fail all the time for any number of reasons. Personally though, I am not sure I would give the IRS the benefit of the doubt on this one until I see documentation.
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Come on. You cannot seriously be entertaining the notion that the IRS didn't have the know how to prevent any scenario of such loss or at least be able to recover from it. The info is still there, even on a crashed computer. Unless something spontaneously happened which completely physically pulverized the primary machine's hard drives and also all the redundant machine's hard drives. It is just such an unlikely scenario. I understand the tendency to give your own side the benefit of the doubt, but the doubt here is so vanishingly small, it strains credibility light years beyond the breaking point.

Edit: I see that your position is more nuanced in later posts.
 
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