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Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central....[W:118]

Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

Why was it even believed to be an "anti-homeless" measure? Was it on their website or something?
 
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Gipper said:
Why was it even believed to be an "anti-homeless" measure? Was it on their website or something?
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Tesco pretty much admitted to it. They installed these things in response to customer service concerns.
 
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tacomancer said:
Tesco pretty much admitted to it. They installed these things in response to customer service concerns.
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So they said it was for the homeless, then said it was for loitering?
 
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Gipper said:
So they said it was for the homeless, then said it was for loitering?
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I used the term loitering out of sensitivity, I don't really like the term homeless all that much. That was my doing.
 
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tacomancer said:
How strong should property rights be in a case like this? Especially versus societal treatment of the homeless.
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Unless you have reports of someone being harmed by the spikes I fail to see the problem. I also frankly fail to see how your concerns outweigh rights at all. Btw, no one was treated in any sort of way. Tesco didn't act towards the homeless.
 
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Henrin said:
Unless you have reports of someone being harmed by the spikes I fail to see the problem. I also frankly fail to see how your concerns outweigh rights at all. Btw, no one was treated in any sort of way. Tesco didn't act towards the homeless.
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I stated my concern and how it can harm the homeless.

In the other things, you are an extreme hard liner so I expect you to disagree and won't try to convince you otherwise. To do so would only waste my valuable (to me) time.
 
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tacomancer said:
I stated my concern and how it can harm the homeless.
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Did it though? If I was to consider your concerns of any importance here they have to actually materialize into more than just OMFG spikes, sorry.
 
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Henrin said:
Did it though? If I was to consider your concerns of any importance here they have to actually materialize into more than just OMFG spikes, sorry.
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If we are already at the point of spikes, yes I would say my concerns have materialized already. I don't want things to get worse.
 
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Yesterday, I was having dinner with some friends when this matter came up and they were blown away by my opinion on it. To be honest, I see this as a perfectly reasonable reaction to a government that has been funded for DECADES to ensure that homelessness is a thing of the past. The government has failed in this instance and it is now up to business owners to protect their investment. I agree that what was actually installed seems crude and unwelcoming, however, the message got across better with the spikes. All of the people complaining about the morality of it probably don't have to deal with homeless people sleeping in their front doors. If they did? They'd ask for the homeless to be forcibly removed from the premises if they won't move on their own. I think government should be taken to task on this matter and something must be done to either improve the chances to end homelessness or make it so business owners do not have to take these measures. In short, the spikes have caused healthy debate about the state, it's role in ensuring homelessness is reduced and the measures business owners should take to remove bad publicity.
 
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tacomancer said:
I stated my concern and how it can harm the homeless.

In the other things, you are an extreme hard liner so I expect you to disagree and won't try to convince you otherwise. To do so would only waste my valuable (to me) time.
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Can't you say the fence around any house harms the homeless as it does not let them enter private property to sleep or do whatever?

Why, in your opinion, do the homeless have special rights where others don't?
 
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Mason66 said:
Can't you say the fence around any house harms the homeless as it does not let them enter private property to sleep or do whatever?

Why, in your opinion, do the homeless have special rights where others don't?
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I see the fence as a different category of device as it doesn't send the same sort of message to society.

They don't have special rights. Devices like this should not be used on anyone.
 
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tacomancer said:
I see the fence as a different category of device as it doesn't send the same sort of message to society.

They don't have special rights. Devices like this should not be used on anyone.
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So you are concerned with the message instead of the outcome.

Are you concerned the homeless people will have their feelings hurt?

I don't see where you are coming from on this.
 
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tacomancer said:
I see the fence as a different category of device as it doesn't send the same sort of message to society.

They don't have special rights. Devices like this should not be used on anyone.
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These devices are not being used on anyone. There is no positive action by the store to hurt anybody with these spikes.

Again, a fence with maybe barbed wire or spikes is the same as this. Why the distinction?
 
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Mason66 said:
These devices are not being used on anyone. There is no positive action by the store to hurt anybody with these spikes.

Again, a fence with maybe barbed wire or spikes is the same as this. Why the distinction?
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Actually, you make a good point. I need to think on it some.
 
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Mason66 said:
So you are concerned with the message instead of the outcome.

Are you concerned the homeless people will have their feelings hurt?

I don't see where you are coming from on this.
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Not feelings hurt so much as more and more people feeling it is justifiable to treat the homeless without the compassion they often need to get the help they tend to need. I am against people being dehumanized.
 
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tacomancer said:
I used the term loitering out of sensitivity, I don't really like the term homeless all that much. That was my doing.
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Yes but loitering is an actual crime while being homeless is not.

That's one reason why I proffer precipice speach over being sensitive.
 
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tacomancer said:
You obviously have not read my discussion up to this point as I already answered your question
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That's too much to ask, apparently, when one is busy constructing strawmen.
 
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tacomancer said:
If we are already at the point of spikes, yes I would say my concerns have materialized already. I don't want things to get worse.
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What do you mean get worse? All they did was put some spikes on their property.
 
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Henrin said:
What do you mean get worse? All they did was put some spikes on their property.
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all they did was put some spikes on their property....
 
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tacomancer said:
all they did was put some spikes on their property....
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I'm guessing you think something more happened and from the looks of it you can't figure out what that was. They didn't act towards anyone, no one was harmed, and in the end all that happened was that they put some spikes on their property. That's it. Ok, they were put there with the intent to stop homeless people from sleeping on their property. So what? Is that something I'm supposed to have a problem with?
 
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Henrin said:
I'm guessing you think something more happened and from the looks of it you can't figure out what that was. They didn't act towards anyone, no one was harmed, and in the end all that happened was that they put some spikes on their property. That's it. Ok, they were put there with the intent to stop homeless people from sleeping on their property. So what? Is that something I'm supposed to have a problem with?
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You seem to only think direct causes are valid. I stated my objection.
 
So, how many of these protestors are allowing homeless people to sleep, **** and piss in their yards? Few to none?

Friggin hypocrites.
 
BmanMcfly said:
So, how many of these protestors are allowing homeless people to sleep, **** and piss in their yards? Few to none?

Friggin hypocrites.
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As long as its not in front of their business,home or child's school they could care less.
 
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The only issue I see with this is that it could potentially harm someone. Imagine an old lady walking by and slipping on some ice then landing on one of these? It'd be a wet dream for any lawyer. I think a few flower pots would have done a far better job and there would have been less uproar.
 
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Perhaps flower pots covered with metal spikes? I have extra, and am willing to sell, if anyone's interested...
 
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