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Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central....[W:118]

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So. These spikes serve a purpose, and apparently haven't killed anyone. MAKE THEM ILLEGAL!!!
 
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They should be illegal but able to be permitted.

Those people could find new work, not a big deal, statistically this is a very small sector of employment given the overall economy.

If they end up being homeless, then they should engage in social programs or the local community to help them get back on the feet.

It helps the homeless by promoted a more socially compassionate environment.

Any other questions?
All of the questions are still right where they were (when you quoted them but ignored them to offer multiple excuses and dodges instead) before. Are we to now humor your idiotic posturing and go up and down the scroll and back one page to "copy and paste" all of them, should I call it "repeat" all of them, for you? Do you need me to hold your hand? Because you have run the "tone" excuse up the flag pole, but gone back and edited your comments to change your own tone after I had replied to them too. A pretty dishonest tone being struck right there. So how much of this intellectually dishonest tap dance is it you would like to keep rolling out? Or do you think you can find your way through the morass you have created with all the tone and repeating excuse making dodges and feints without my or anyone else's assistance? You know, digging through the volumes and volumes of this lengthy thread?
 
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All of the questions are still right where they were (when you quoted them but ignored them to offer multiple excuses and dodges instead) before. Are we to now humor your idiotic posturing and go up and down the scroll and back one page to "copy and paste" all of them, should I call it "repeat" all of them, for you?

That's fine.
 
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That's fine.
Well it might be fine for you to say you do need your hand held. And yes you would enjoy it greatly I if would humor your idiotic posturing. Unfortunately for you, I'm a betting man and what I said way back in #45 was spot on. Zero percent. The word is that this news story is far from settled. A backlash to Tesco's decision has started and those spikes might stay in place yet. Should be interesting to see what wins out, common sense or a compassionate environment. :roll:
 
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Well it might be fine for you to say you do need your hand held. And yes you would enjoy it greatly I if would humor your idiotic posturing. Unfortunately for you, I'm a betting man and what I said way back in #45 was spot on. Zero percent. The word is that this news story is far from settled. A backlash to Tesco's decision has started and those spikes might stay in place yet. Should be interesting to see what wins out, common sense or a compassionate environment. :roll:

Your attempts to manipulate my emotions are thus far not working. Would you like to engage in debate or not?
 
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Your attempts to manipulate my emotions are thus far not working. Would you like to engage in debate or not?

He's been debating you. You're the one dodging questions, not him.
 
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He's been debating you. You're the one dodging questions, not him.

Not dodging so much as watching him make a fool of himself out of a simple misunderstanding. The histrionics are starting to become boring though. I will keep attempting to reengage him until I determine he is a lost cause.
 
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Not dodging so much as watching him make a fool of himself out of a simple misunderstanding. The histrionics are starting to become boring though. I will keep attempting to reengage him until I determine he is a lost cause.
All you have to do to "re-engage" is actually engage everything that you ran as fast as you could away from. You see, simply repeating a "message" is what happens at message boards, debate is when you actually "engage" the points and comments of those whom you posture about "debate" with. You are a bit tardy in your sudden desire to "debate" but if it is a sincere desire you are expressing you can go back to what you ran from before and get started with your "debate" of same. I'm still betting that won't happen, hell it ain't happened yet and now we are 6 pages 57 post into the thread.
 
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All you have to do to "re-engage" is actually engage everything that you ran as fast as you could away from. You see, simply repeating a "message" is what happens at message boards, debate is when you actually "engage" the points and comments of those whom you posture about "debate" with. You are a bit tardy in your sudden desire to "debate" but if it is a sincere desire you are expressing you can go back to what you ran from before and get started with your "debate" of same. I'm still betting that won't happen, hell it ain't happened yet and now we are 6 pages 57 post into the thread.

This would be a good example of the histrionics.

I have a desire to debate (and this has not yet flagged, despite your very emotive responses and assumptions), so if you are not willing to ask, please refer to which post # you are referring to. I will be happy to quote that and answer any questions I see with my opinions.
 
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This would be a good example of the histrionics.

I have a desire to debate (and this has not yet flagged, despite your very emotive responses and assumptions), so if you are not willing to ask, please refer to which post # you are referring to. I will be happy to quote that and answer any questions I see with my opinions.
This is a good example of someone who does not understand what the word "histrionics" means.

If you have a desire to debate, go back and debate the comments of mine you earlier had no desire to debate. Otherwise it is just more empty posturing.:?
 
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This is a good example of someone who does not understand what the word "histrionics" means.

If you have a desire to debate, go back and debate the comments of mine you earlier had no desire to debate. Otherwise it is just more empty posturing.:?

Histrionics means showmanship and this is the way you are acting.

Please show me where I said I had no desire to debate versus my mistake over content versus tone, as far I as I can tell, I never stated those words. Now from what I can tell is you made an assumption to mean that the mistake I admitted to means more than it did.

also you are making the assumption I know which posts you are referring to, simple fact is, I am not sure which questions in which posts you have in mind. The other alternative is for me to post a lot of quotes and try to guess, which I will do if I have to, but I am sure you will find some bizarre nonexistent motivation in that attempt as well.
 
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Histrionics means showmanship and this is the way you are acting.

Please show me where I said I had no desire to debate versus my mistake over content versus tone, as far I as I can tell, I never stated those words. Now from what I can tell is you made an assumption to mean that the mistake I admitted to means more than it did.
OK first off, you still have no clue how to use histrionics in context or properly. The "showmanship" on display here has been you engaging in histrionic deflections and dodges for several pages now. As you simultaneously posture about wanting to engage in debate, all the while not doing it. This is called hypocrisy, so you have histrionic hypocrisy as your calling card, but what else do we have from you 7 pages and 67 posts into the thread? Have you gone back and addressed the "debate" you fled from before? No, instead you are just exercising a histrionic and hypocritical posture fest and demonstrating a weak vocabulary. At this point rather than engage in the debate that was already occuring, you seem to want to dive off into making this a personal matter and about personal behavior. Which is OK with me, it is to be expected based upon the path you have set so far. Of course I will warn you ahead of time I'll be utilizing the forum procedures and reporting to staff any further advances down that dead end path. Just so you know.

Looks like you can either "engage" finally the comments you so far have not, or you can roll the dice and keep on going down this path you seem dead set on taking. Which again, is A-OK with me. :thumbs:

EDIT: And by the way it should not be hard for you to find the post in question, I already reposted the numbers of them to you once, when you ignored and ran away from them before. Should be easy to "figure" this all out, yet you claim you can't. Imagine that.
 
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OK first off, you still have no clue how to use histrionics in context or properly. The "showmanship" on display here has been you engaging in histrionic deflections and dodges for several pages now. As you simultaneously posture about wanting to engage in debate, all the while not doing it. This is called hypocrisy, so you have histrionic hypocrisy as your calling card, but what else do we have from you 7 pages and 67 posts into the thread? Have you gone back and addressed the "debate" you fled from before? No, instead you are just exercising a histrionic and hypocritical posture fest and demonstrating a weak vocabulary. At this point rather than engage in the debate that was already occuring, you seem to want to dive off into making this a personal matter and about personal behavior. Which is OK with me, it is to be expected based upon the path you have set so far. Of course I will warn you ahead of time I'll be utilizing the forum procedures and reporting to staff any further advances down that dead end path. Just so you know.

Looks like you can either "engage" finally the comments you so far have not, or you can roll the dice and keep on going down this path you seem dead set on taking. Which again, is A-OK with me. :thumbs:

No, I am quite certain it is histrionics, the reason I use this is because you had multiple avenues in which to plead your case, the one you chose was obviously designed to elicit an emotional response from me with attempts to jeer or pretend some sort of superiority. The simple fact is that you have yet to impress me with such obvious baiting. Either that or you haven't engaged in enough debate here yet to realize your style is sorely lacking. Either way, I don't care, my point stands and until you can calm down, it will continue to stand.

Ok, since I don't have a post number, I am going to give it my best guess. Please give me a moment to try and find these posts.
 
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Is this the post you are referring to?

You see the problem with your logic here is that you hold to the belief that these spikes exist to screw with the dignity of homeless people. That is not the reason they were created, but it is one benefit or side effect of their use. This invention is extremely effective in performing the task they were created to fulfill. Keeping areas clear from traffic, human or otherwise. In non human cases, such as aforementioned loading docks, any vehicles that come across them are jarred, noticeably signaling the vehicle or hand truck operator that they are near the edge of the platform or in a restricted zone. Likewise these spikes keep people from milling about in places they should not be and so businesses have made use of them all over the globe for that reason too. If Tesco wants to give into pressure from these activist with your mind set they are certainly free to do so. I think it was a stupid move on their part and if the activist that was threatening to camp out 24/7 in that space tried to do so? Let the bobbies take said activist to a comfortable cot in a warm building with bars.

The whole idea that this sham or facade to accomplish the same goal the spikes do, "helps" homeless people is not a very persuasive argument. How does the company having to retool their exits, but still basically keep the homeless from bivouacking there, "help" the homeless? And how would getting rid of or causing less use of these spikes not then at some point make some people unemployed? And then possibly becoming homeless themselves, this helps the homeless how?

Your location says the DEEP SOUTH. Yet you are speaking about opening the asylums again and applying for permits for perfectly legal use of perfectly legal products in industrial environments. Which country is it you are in the deep south of?
 
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Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure

Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure - Home News - UK - The Independent
Instead of removing the anti-homeless spikes, they should have installed anti-protester razer wire.

2. Good, until society can figure out how to better deal with the homeless issue, putting obstacles that may result in injury in the way is barbaric. I hope protests continue until spikes are gone from all locations.
The protesters should be required to each take a homeless person in perminantly.
 
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Not dodging so much as watching him make a fool of himself out of a simple misunderstanding. The histrionics are starting to become boring though. I will keep attempting to reengage him until I determine he is a lost cause.

You've been dodging. Referring people to earlier posts is dodging. Refusing to clarify what you've already said is dodging.

Stop dodging.
 
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You've been dodging. Referring people to earlier posts is dodging. Refusing to clarify what you've already said is dodging.

Stop dodging.

I am sure you believe this. I gave response to another and I stick by it as it is true. For me, there is no further debate on this point.
 
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No, I am quite certain it is histrionics, the reason I use this is because you had multiple avenues in which to plead your case, the one you chose was obviously designed to elicit an emotional response from me with attempts to jeer or pretend some sort of superiority. The simple fact is that you have yet to impress me with such obvious baiting. Either that or you haven't engaged in enough debate here yet to realize your style is sorely lacking. Either way, I don't care, my point stands and until you can calm down, it will continue to stand.

Ok, since I don't have a post number, I am going to give it my best guess. Please give me a moment to try and find these posts.
Yes this is the second time you have made reference to what is a rather paranoid claim in my opinion. Namely that by asking that you actually engage in debate and address the post you blithely and under a sea of specious excuses fled from before? Is trying to elicit an emotional response from you. When what is actually being done is you are being asked to address the "debate" you claimed you wanted by addressing the comments you ignored only to offer a sea of excuses for not addressing before. And here you are still not addressing this "debate" you were seeking to "re-engage" in. Yes you left the debate to go down a number of unpersuasive and unproductive paths, so if you are to ever actually engage in it, when might that occur?
 
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Yes this is the second time you have made reference to what is a rather paranoid claim in my opinion. Namely that by asking that you actually engage in debate and address the post you blithely and under a sea of specious excuses fled from before? Is trying to elicit an emotional response from you. When what is actually being done is you are being asked to address the "debate" you claimed you wanted by addressing the comments you ignored only to offer a sea of excuses for not addressing before. And here you are still not addressing this "debate" you were seeking to "re-engage" in. Yes you left the debate to go down a number of unpersuasive and unproductive paths, so if you are to ever actually engage in it, when might that occur?

I have already posted a post and asked you if it was the right one. My earlier point about histrionics still stands.
 
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I have already posted a post and asked you if it was the right one. My earlier point about histrionics still stands.
It is as if you think I thought you were going to "engage" honestly, I predicted otherwise! And you have proved, my expectation of zero percentage chance you could or would do so was spot on. Histrionically so!.:lamo
 
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It is as if you think I thought you were going to "engage" honestly, as I have said and you have proved, my expectation of zero percentage was spot on. Histrionically accurate.:lamo

yet you are the one with the emoticon, which proves my point.

Anyway, did I get the correct post or not?

You see the problem with your logic here is that you hold to the belief that these spikes exist to screw with the dignity of homeless people. That is not the reason they were created, but it is one benefit or side effect of their use. This invention is extremely effective in performing the task they were created to fulfill. Keeping areas clear from traffic, human or otherwise. In non human cases, such as aforementioned loading docks, any vehicles that come across them are jarred, noticeably signaling the vehicle or hand truck operator that they are near the edge of the platform or in a restricted zone. Likewise these spikes keep people from milling about in places they should not be and so businesses have made use of them all over the globe for that reason too. If Tesco wants to give into pressure from these activist with your mind set they are certainly free to do so. I think it was a stupid move on their part and if the activist that was threatening to camp out 24/7 in that space tried to do so? Let the bobbies take said activist to a comfortable cot in a warm building with bars.

The whole idea that this sham or facade to accomplish the same goal the spikes do, "helps" homeless people is not a very persuasive argument. How does the company having to retool their exits, but still basically keep the homeless from bivouacking there, "help" the homeless? And how would getting rid of or causing less use of these spikes not then at some point make some people unemployed? And then possibly becoming homeless themselves, this helps the homeless how?

Your location says the DEEP SOUTH. Yet you are speaking about opening the asylums again and applying for permits for perfectly legal use of perfectly legal products in industrial environments. Which country is it you are in the deep south of?
 
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yet you are the one with the emoticon, which proves my point.

Anyway, did I get the correct post or not?
Might as well break out the I'm rubber and you're glue defense now eh? Should mesh with the "tone" excuse, your editing you own "tone" after I had replied to it and the other handful of excuses you have thrown out. Including that dozy about me trying to elicit emotions from you on a text based forum.:cuckoo:

Look! Up above! An emoticon? See it? It is a cuckoo clock! I'm trying to elicit that you turn into one!:lamo
 
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Might as well break out the I'm rubber and you're glue defense now eh? Should mesh with the "tone" excuse, your editing you own "tone" after I had replied to it and the other handful of excuses you have thrown out. Including that dozy about me trying to elicit emotions from you on a text based forum.:cuckoo:

Look! Up above! An emoticon? See it? It is a cuckoo clock! I'm trying to elicit that you turn into one!:lamo

I prefer to stick to accurate descriptions. So it is still histrionics thus far.

Why are you focusing on this rather then the question you have been making a big deal about thus far?

Did I get the right post or not? I honestly am hoping not because I answered those questions a few pages ago, making this entire exchange pointless from that point to this point.
 
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I prefer to stick to accurate descriptions. So it is still histrionics thus far.

Why are you focusing on this rather then the question you have been making a big deal about thus far?

Did I get the right post or not? I honestly am hoping not because I answered those questions a few pages ago, making this entire exchange pointless from that point to this point.
No no, you got me! I was not trying to get you to answer questions you still have not answered. I'm trying to elicit an emotional response from you!:screwy

But seriously, at this late point in the thread and based upon the fact that you demonstrably had nothing intelligent to say then? Now pages later, you claim you did? Clearly reality is as elusive as you being honest. Zero percent chance of it happening. Ever. :2wave:
 
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No no, you got me! I was not trying to get you to answer questions you still have not answered. I'm trying to elicit an emotional response from you!:screwy

But seriously, at this late point in the thread and based upon the fact that you demonstrably had nothing intelligent to say then? Now pages later, you claim you did? Clearly reality is as elusive as you being honest. Zero percent chance of it happening. Ever. :2wave:

So you haven't had a valid point this entire time then?
 
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