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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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I don't see what you think this proves. Your link talks about ONE report by Jihad operative.

Here you are saying that there was not enough evidence of WMD and we should not have gone into Iraq.

Yet, you present this Wiki article. So . . . what do you think George Bush should have done when he received that report?

I'm simply showing you that there was intelligence and warning Bin Laden was attempting to strike at the US.
 
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Some people will never, ever acknowledge that the Iraq War was driven by a neoconservative agenda that preceded 9/11. They'll go to their graves thinking that the Bush Administration was simply duped by faulty intelligence.

Please, I suppose you're going to tell us it was for the oil, when everyone KNOWS there was never any guarantee that WE would even receive any of it. That theory is MORE silly than the WMD theory.
 
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I'm simply showing you that there was intelligence and warning Bin Laden was attempting to strike at the US.

What do you think GWB should have done with this piece of intelligence?
 
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Again, this states that this person in the article believes that the evidence found was inconclusive. There are also satellite photos which show a lot of activity around that time with huge convoys heading to the borders with Lebanon and Syria, and there are witnesses who claim that there WERE WMDs.

To try to say that there were definitely NOT WMD in Iraq before the invasion is just displaying ignorant partisanship. There MAY have been WMDs, and there IS evidence to suggest that.

THAT'S JUST RIGHT WING GARBAGE, GOP CONGRESS EVEN AGREED IT WAS GARBAGE

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf


The ONLY evidence was Reagan provided WMD's to Saddam but they had degraded by the time Bush CHOOSE to invade!
 
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What do you think GWB should have done with this piece of intelligence?

NOT:

Bush to briefer: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

NOT:

Bush to briefer: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

What do you think he should have done about it?
 
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All of these say basically the same things, that they didn't FIND anything. Not finding conclusive evidence does not mean they never existed. There is other evidence that I posted that shows plenty of evidence. Apparently, there are stock piles of weapons that have been RECENTLY discovered in Syria for which there is NO explanation. Where do you think those weapons came from? These are stockpiles that the government has allegedly been using against it's people.


LOL, Yes, keep up the RIGHT WING MYTHS
 
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THAT'S JUST RIGHT WING GARBAGE, GOP CONGRESS EVEN AGREED IT WAS GARBAGE

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf


The ONLY evidence was Reagan provided WMD's to Saddam but they had degraded by the time Bush CHOOSE to invade!

Satellite IMAGES are NOT right wing garbage. Neither is any of the other evidence I posted. However, ALL of the witnesses and people who reported that there were WMD had suffered character assassination. That certainly does NOT mean they were lying.
 
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Maliki is requesting air support. Is it there, yet?

Maliki should start looking for a new job.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Please, I suppose you're going to tell us it was for the oil, when everyone KNOWS there was never any guarantee that WE would even receive any of it. That theory is MORE silly than the WMD theory.

So I guess it's just a coincidence that the Bush Administration placed multiple authors of the PNAC in his cabinet, and made a beeline for Iraq after 9/11.
 
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A minor in history is, well, so minor. In any case,you've made a rookie mistake assuming I'm a conservative.:peace

Sorry, Libertarians ARE CONservatives, you are FARRRRRR right....
 
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Sorry, Libertarians ARE CONservatives, you are FARRRRRR right....

Really? Is that why I support abortion choice, same sex marriage, drug legalization and open borders?:peace
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

The fact that the BHO administration was negotiating a SOFA is proof enough.:peace
If you still think we believe our own hype, we're very good liers.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Really? What position does he hold on the RNC?:peace

He dictates about 80% of what the GOP policy is. Get honest... Why do you think ALL the GOP's apologize to him when they say something 'wrong'
 
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THAT REAGAN SUPPLIED, AND WAS USELESS BY THAT POINT
Never heard that ridiculous lie before ...:lamo

Does your use of CAPS make the old lie true all of the sudden?
 
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LOL, Yes, keep up the RIGHT WING MYTHS

Besides a LACK of conclusive evidence, there is nothing to indicate that it is not plausible to believe that Saddam Hussein had WMD. Even HE admitted that he tried to make it sound as if he did at the very least. He was trying to convince the international community that he had WMD because he was in fear of Iran.

None of this disproves that there were, prior to 2003, WMD being stockpiled or manufactured in Iraq. It is certainly plausible.
 
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On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

Yes. Everyone knew the GWB administration did that as a favor to their successors, to give them freedom to stay or go as they thought best. Acting on (correct) Pentagon advice, the BHO administration opened negotiations, but they used the negotiation process as a way to depart rather than as a way to keep a useful presence in Iraq.:peace
 
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Never heard that ridiculous lie before ...:lamo

Pretty much every administration since perhaps Carter has been supplying insurgents with weapons. I don't know about chemical weapons though. That could be a lie perpetrated by Team Obama Penis Suckers Incorporated. :2razz:
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Yes. Everyone knew the GWB administration did that as a favor to their successors, to give them freedom to stay or go as they thought best.
Everyone except those who realize that Iraq's cooperation is required to change the SOAF?

Acting on (correct) Pentagon advice, the BHO administration opened negotiations, but they used the negotiation process as a way to depart rather than as a way to keep a useful presence in Iraq.:peace
Cite, please.
 
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He dictates about 80% of what the GOP policy is. Get honest... Why do you think ALL the GOP's apologize to him when they say something 'wrong'

That is in your dream world.:peace
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Some people will never, ever acknowledge that the Iraq War was driven by a neoconservative agenda that preceded 9/11. They'll go to their graves thinking that the Bush Administration was simply duped by faulty intelligence.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

The above whitepaper wasn't published in a vacuum.
Ever stop to think who READS THIS STUFF?
I assure you the audience isn't limited to a few policy wonks and partisan hacks at some DC think tank.

For my money, this was a WANT AD advertising that America was ripe and wide open for an attack.
For my money it would read thusly:

PNACnewpearlharborwantad.jpg
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Never heard that ridiculous lie before ...:lamo

Does your use of CAPS make the old lie true all of the sudden?


Starting in 1982 with Iranian success on the battlefield, the United States made its backing of Iraq more pronounced, normalizing relations with the government, supplying it with economic aid, counter-insurgency training, operational intelligence on the battlefield, and weapons


In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

... The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.


Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - Google News Archive Search


In a December 17, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Used Many Suppliers for Nuke Program,” the Associated Press stated,

Dozens of suppliers, most in Europe, the United States and Japan, provided the components and know-how Saddam Hussein needed to build an atomic bomb, according to Iraq’s 1996 accounting of its nuclear program....

...In a September 26, 2002, article entitled “Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail,” columnist Robert Novak wrote,

An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.

MANY MORE ARTICLES HERE

Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob Hornberger
 
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Everyone except those who realize that Iraq's cooperation is required to change the SOAF?

Cite, please.

Had it been otherwise, there would have been an agreement.:peace
 
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Pretty much every administration since perhaps Carter has been supplying insurgents with weapons. I don't know about chemical weapons though. That could be a lie perpetrated by Team Obama Penis Suckers Incorporated. :2razz:
TOPSI? :lol:


Did you just make that up?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Pretty much every administration since perhaps Carter has been supplying insurgents with weapons. I don't know about chemical weapons though. That could be a lie perpetrated by Team Obama Penis Suckers Incorporated. :2razz:

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly

In a September 26, 2002, article entitled “Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail,” columnist Robert Novak wrote,

An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.

MANY more articles here

Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob Hornberger


The US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.


How Did Iraq Get Its WMD? - We Sold Them To Saddam
 
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