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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Iraq asks the US to bomb them now. And people say there hasn't been progress.

Well at this point the Iraqi leadership knows that the US is all that stands between them and a butcher's knife.

But with the US dithering they are now reaching out to Iran.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

But that does nothing to liberate the cities.

If you catch their main body in the open and kill them all, they won't have the combat power to hold the cities.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

But that does nothing to liberate the cities.

The United States has several options available, but none of them are any good.

1) do nothing

2)pressure al-Maliki to reform his government.

3) support the Kurds

4) increase millitary aid to the Iraqi government

5)launch air strikes againist the ISIS

6) cooperate with Iran's cooperation with the Iraqi government

Or

7) reinvade Iraq

None of these options are good.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

If you catch their main body in the open and kill them all, they won't have the combat power to hold the cities.

Assuming there is an opposing force willing to retake the cities...
 
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Well at this point the Iraqi leadership knows that the US is all that stands between them and a butcher's knife.

But with the US dithering they are now reaching out to Iran.

We should send Russia to handle it.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

The United States has several options available, but none of them are any good.

1) do nothing

2)pressure al-Maliki to reform his government.

Why? This attack isn't about government reform.

3) support the Kurds

Amen. They are the best US ally in Iraq.

4) increase military aid to the Iraqi government

Necessary.

5)launch air strikes againist the ISIS

Necessary.

6) cooperate with Iran's cooperation with the Iraqi government

Not acceptable.

Or

7) reinvade Iraq

I agree, for now, that that isn't the best option. The better option would have been to keep forces in the country in the first place a la Korea, Japan and Germany

None of these options are good.

I think a combination of a few of them would be good. If we can assist the Iraqi forces with logistics and air support to retake their country and destroy ISIS then we could go back to the Iraqi leadership and negotiate the force agreement we always should have had in Iraq with long term troop deployments.
 
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During my high school years, 1967-1971, my Dad was still on the "team", with his TDYs to Vietnam.
What I remember the most about those years--the number 300--the number of soldiers dying each week.
And then my older buddies coming home all messed up in more ways than I care to remember-
And then being dissed by civilians AND VFW-type groups.
Oh, NOW yall want to join the team! :lamo
I have always been on the ****ing team, since the day I was born on an Air Force Base outside of London in 1953.
I have always felt guilty for being too young and seeing what my older friends came back as--just sayin.
My best buddy would describe how he was ordered to set perimeter claymores at night--brilliant huh.

Listen to what brother MMC is saying.
We are all in this together.
Christians in the USA, such as Obama says he is, should be praying for him and our Military as we are on the brink of another "police" action .
 
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We should send Russia to handle it.

If we could wave our hand and make other countries do the right thing the world would be a better place.

To Russia's credit I think they did choose to back the least terrible side in Syria.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Why? This attack isn't about government reform.



Amen. They are the best US ally in Iraq.



Necessary.



Necessary.



Not acceptable.

Or



I agree, for now, that that isn't the best option. The better option would have been to keep forces in the country in the first place a la Korea, Japan and Germany



I think a combination of a few of them would be good. If we can assist the Iraqi forces with logistics and air support to retake their country and destroy ISIS then we could go back to the Iraqi leadership and negotiate the force agreement we always should have had in Iraq with long term troop deployments.

The problem with supporting the Kurds is that it would be interprated as a signal that the United States has lost faith in Baghdads ability to lead. It would further inflame the secrataraian violence in Iraq. Also we would be upsetting the Turkish government, who already have problems with the idea of a independent Kurdistan.

Military aid does not work if the Iraqi army runs away, and the weapons could be used by the terrorists.

Airstrikes are not a long term solution and it runs the risk of killing civilians.
 
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So what is this lost cause you are surrendering? Support for the democratic state of Iraq or the opposition to an ISIS Caliphate?

Surrendering? :lol:

Iraq = lost cause.
 
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Yeah, the worse it gets, the more yall can blame Bush.

Well, he did take us into the place and destabilized it.
 
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Well, he did take us into the place and destabilized it.

Indeed. What reasonable human being wouldn't blame it on Bush? And where was all this right-wing criticism when Nixon pulled out of Vietnam?
 
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Who IS the president now, while things are going to hell?
Who says things are going to hell?

Maybe they are in Iraq, but isn't that pretty standard there?

The US president is only in charge of the US, not other countries.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Who says things are going to hell?

Maybe they are in Iraq, but isn't that pretty standard there?

The US president is only in charge of the US, not other countries.

This is not somthing limited to Iraq. It affects the world
 
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Don't you think Maliki waited a bit too long?
Too bad he isn't using Israel as his indirect proxy.

Seems these Iraqi gov't soldiers were just as big of cowards as the ones Bush/Cheney took out.
Obama should have seen that coming, don't ya think ?

Someone once said that people get the government they deserve.

Why is it the responsibility of the US to be involved in foreign civil wars?

Personally, I could care less what happens in Iraq, that's their problem. If they want to keep the government they have, then the supporters of that government need to man up and make that happen. Otherwise, I can only assume that they must support the Islamic extremists, which is fine also (as long as I don't have to live there).
 
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Indeed. What reasonable human being wouldn't blame it on Bush? And where was all this right-wing criticism when Nixon pulled out of Vietnam?

I suspect all people heard was crickets.
 
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The problem is Iraq is a Persian descendent and not Arab. The Arab spring as identified occurred must later than 2003, and started in Egypt and Tunisia.

It did start many years later, but Bush said that taking out Saddam would lead to other nations in the region casting off their dictators. Except that when it started happening, you guys on the right were too busy puffing up your chests about "Obama bad" to take credit for your guy being right in the long run.

That's how f'ed up things are now. Here's a liberal giving Bush more credit than a conservative.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Maliki is requesting air support. Is it there, yet?

And I want a check for a million dollars. Where is it, I demand it now. I am entitled to it...just because.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

This is what happens when you tell the enemy exactly when you're going to break camp and go home.
They wait six years and then let all hell break loose?
 
We should just nuke mecca and get it over with.

Why?

Are you in a rush to start WWIII?

I'd just prefer to ignore that part of the world. They are of little value to us other than for oil, and we are developing our own massive oil reserves. We can put them on ignore, for ever.
 
We should just nuke mecca and get it over with.

Problem is we're butt buddies with the Saudis....Seeing as how Mecca's location is in an allied country, that doesn't sound very good.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Yup. BHO has given away GWB's victory.:peace
In 2011 BHO gave away GWB's Iraq victory, and in 2012 BHO declined an opportunity for an easy win in Syria. Now he reaps the whirlwind.
Do you realize that it was GWB who set the timeline for withdrawal of American troops, and not Obama? The agreement to withdraw troops from Iraq was reached in 2008.
 
Then you would make an enemy out of every Islamic country as well as every individual Muslim.
That would be the point, yes, and then we war untill one side or the other is wiped out, and then it's over with.
 
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