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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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With ISIS telegraphing expanding the war to Jordan it is entirely predictable at this point that their goal will be, in roughly this order (slightly revised by ISIS given the trouble they have encountered with an equally brutal regime in Syria):

1 - Iraq
2 - Syria
3 - Jordan
4 - Israel
5 - Turkey
6 - The rest of the ME.

By #6 there will be no Islamic country standing in their way. It is all downhill from Israel.

Granted, this group of neanderthals has been skating in Iraq because of the inherent advantage of being an Islamic military that forgoes the commandment to not attack other Muslims, and their brutality has shot fear through the Iraqi military. But ISIS shows a weakness against Assad in Syria when faced with someone willing to match brutality, and are almost assuredly unable to take advantage of most of the spoils of war in Iraq. So when this 19th century throwback army decides to turn its sights in a top notch supremely trained westernized army in Israel it will likely stop there.

I don't think these backward barbarians have a concept of the destruction Israel, or any western ally, has at their disposal. The lightly armored shock army would be stopped in its tracks by just a few coordinated volleys of Israel's 48 MLRS batteries.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Part of it is what you say--political correctness has wormed its way into attitudes about war and is just as much of a liar there as it is everywhere else it raises its ugly head.

But mostly I think it is a reluctance or lack of will to use overwhelming force when we fight wars any more. Maybe that's a politically correct thing too--a demand that we pull our punches and minimize collateral damage and that inevitably prolongs things and forces us to drag them out which, over the long run, increases injuries and deaths. And then the war weariness soon kicks in and whatever support the effort had in the beginning will wane and/or disappear.
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It reminds me much how the Roman Empire became right before the big fall. The people no longer had the stomach to fight and protect their interests. They got lazy too and left it to others which came back to bite them.
 
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LowDown said:
As long as it took.



It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next election. I suspect a lot of Democrats will be distancing themselves from the President on this issue also.
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National polls suggest that Americans are tired of war so if anyone should be distancing themselves it's republicans from the knee jerk reactionary war hawks.
 
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vesper said:
I know there is sworn testimony from former weapon inspectors Duelfer and Kay that would disagree with your assessment. I'll see if I can find their testimony on the web and get back with you.
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I'd love to see this sworn testimony as the Official ISG Duelfer Report concludes both the chem and nuke programs were destroyed, Saddam wanted to start back up once the sanctions were lifted but they never were prior to the invasion.

David Kay resigned saying he felt there never were WMD in Iraq. The CIA director asked him to stay on or it would appear the USofA didn't know what they were doing.... Kay resigned.

FYI, it isn't 'my assessment', but the opinion of the US Forces on both the time of creation and the lack of production of the 2005 Mosul chem plant. :2wave:
 
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APACHERAT said:
Don't worry Chris, Obama's National Security Advisor is Susan Rice and Valerie Jarrett is calling the shots.
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I don't feel any better about what is happening over there. What a waste of blood, money and time! What we should do is just ignore that entire part of the world.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
If the current Administration thinks it can just watch Iraq fall into chaos and not be negatively impacted they are fooling themselves. Since the day he took office he hasn't lifted a finger to try and stabilize the situation there, and his indifference has played a HUGE part in what is happening in Iraq RIGHT NOW. You don't have to agree with me, but I promise you history will. buh-bye
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Iraq is a sovereign nation and Maliki refused to sign an agreement that would have allowed a residual US force to stay in Iraq. The blame should really fall on Maliki for a) not integrating the Sunnis in the government and rebuilding of Iraq and b) not signing the agreement.


But hey....THANKS OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
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Texmex said:
Who was the president who actually invaded Iraq?
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Who IS the president now, while things are going to hell?
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, if ISIS is on the march to Baghdad, this might work.

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It would work, though not as pictured in the video. But as of this moment the President is refusing Iraq's request to bomb ISIS. If his refusal ends up being a rope-a-dope to catch ISIS off guard then more power to him. But bombing won't work on the cities that currently have ISIS troops in them, and the dithering only ensures that there will be fewer Iraqi troops willing to fight even if we decide to help.

The sad thing is that Maliki has been asking for help bombing the northern staging areas of ISIS for a while now... but we refused because technically that staging area was also feeding the Syrian rebels which we tacitly supported.

The whole thing is a stark example of how muddy Obama's foreign policy actually is. ISIS is simultaneously worthy of support and worthy of obliteration based on this Administration's position from dayto day and crisis to crisis. Obama can't do anything about ISIS now without looking like a hypocritical dunderhead on a myriad of other Administration positions.
 
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Moot said:
Iraq is a sovereign nation and Maliki refused to sign an agreement that would have allowed a residual US force to stay in Iraq. The blame should really fall on Maliki for a) not integrating the Sunnis in the government and rebuilding of Iraq and b) not signing the agreement.


But hey....THANKS OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
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Maliki is requesting air support. Is it there, yet?
 
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apdst said:
Who IS the president now, while things are going to hell?
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How would you take out the Iraqi insurgents?
How many boots would you put back on the ground, as per Senators McCain and Graham?
How do you think the anti-Cantor wing of the GOP feels about this new mess coming from an old problem?
Are you a NEO or an ISO?
All four of these are easy Q's to answer ?
 
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jmotivator said:
It would work, though not as pictured in the video. But as of this moment the President is refusing Iraq's request to bomb ISIS. If his refusal ends up being a rope-a-dope to catch ISIS off guard then more power to him. But bombing won't work on the cities that currently have ISIS troops in them, and the dithering only ensures that there will be fewer Iraqi troops willing to fight even if we decide to help.

The sad thing is that Maliki has been asking for help bombing the northern staging areas of ISIS for a while now... but we refused because technically that staging area was also feeding the Syrian rebels which we tacitly supported.

The whole thing is a stark example of how muddy Obama's foreign policy actually is. ISIS is simultaneously worthy of support and worthy of obliteration based on this Administration's position from dayto day and crisis to crisis. Obama can't do anything about ISIS now without looking like a hypocritical dunderhead on a myriad of other Administration positions.
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ISIS is presenting a massed target when the leave the built areas, which would be a prime target. Catch them in the open and snake-n-nape their asses.
 
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jmotivator said:
But as of this moment the President is refusing Iraq's request to bomb ISIS.
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Iraq asks the US to bomb them now. And people say there hasn't been progress.
 
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Don't you think Maliki waited a bit too long?
Too bad he isn't using Israel as his indirect proxy.

Seems these Iraqi gov't soldiers were just as big of cowards as the ones Bush/Cheney took out.
Obama should have seen that coming, don't ya think ?
apdst said:
Maliki is requesting air support. Is it there, yet?
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NIMBY said:
How would you take out the Iraqi insurgents?
How many boots would you put back on the ground, as per Senators McCain and Graham?
How do you think the anti-Cantor wing of the GOP feels about this new mess coming from an old problem?
Are you a NEO or an ISO?
All four of these are easy Q's to answer ?
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I would catch them on the march and carpet bomb their hinies. In case you haven't noticed, they're an army now.
 
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jmotivator said:
It would work, though not as pictured in the video. But as of this moment the President is refusing Iraq's request to bomb ISIS. If his refusal ends up being a rope-a-dope to catch ISIS off guard then more power to him. But bombing won't work on the cities that currently have ISIS troops in them, and the dithering only ensures that there will be fewer Iraqi troops willing to fight even if we decide to help.

The sad thing is that Maliki has been asking for help bombing the northern staging areas of ISIS for a while now... but we refused because technically that staging area was also feeding the Syrian rebels which we tacitly supported.

The whole thing is a stark example of how muddy Obama's foreign policy actually is. ISIS is simultaneously worthy of support and worthy of obliteration based on this Administration's position from dayto day and crisis to crisis. Obama can't do anything about ISIS now without looking like a hypocritical dunderhead on a myriad of other Administration positions.
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I can appreciate Obama's not wanting to re-involve ourselves to a lost cause.
 
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NIMBY said:
Don't you think Maliki waited a bit too long?
Too bad he isn't using Israel as his indirect proxy.

Seems these Iraqi gov't soldiers were just as big of cowards as the ones Bush/Cheney took out.
Obama should have seen that coming, don't ya think ?
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Maybe, but again, is Obama providing the requested air support? Or, is he going let the yo-yos take over and run around blaming Bush?
 
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AJiveMan said:
I can appreciate Obama's not wanting to re-involve ourselves to a lost cause.
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Yeah, the worse it gets, the more yall can blame Bush.
 
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apdst said:
I would catch them on the march and carpet bomb their hinies.
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How do you think Turkey fits in here?
Where will our jets fly out of?
Who will partner with us, such as France, Great Britain, Israel--etc.
How will Russia, Iran and Syria react to the bombing.
In case you haven't noticed, they're an army now.
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Pretty smooth how we give Iraqi gov't cowards our equipment that is now in ISIS hands.
Kind of like IndoChina huh ?
 
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NIMBY said:
How do you think Turkey fits in here?
Where will our jets fly out of?
Who will partner with us, such as France, Great Britain, Israel--etc.
How will Russia, Iran and Syria react to the bombing.

Pretty smooth how we give Iraqi gov't cowards our equipment that is now in ISIS hands.
Kind of like IndoChina huh ?
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The same place our jets flew out of in 2003!! Geez!
 
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apdst said:
Maybe, but again, is Obama providing the requested air support?
Or, is he going let the yo-yos take over and run around blaming Bush?
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I think MMC has it right here.
We need to stop blaming each other and git er done .
 
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NIMBY said:
I think MMC has it right here.
We need to stop blaming each other and git er done .
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Oh, NOW yall want to join the team! :lamo
 
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AJiveMan said:
I can appreciate Obama's not wanting to re-involve ourselves to a lost cause.
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So what is this lost cause you are surrendering? Support for the democratic state of Iraq or the opposition to an ISIS Caliphate?
 
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apdst said:
Maybe, but again, is Obama providing the requested air support? Or, is he going let the yo-yos take over and run around blaming Bush?
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We have to coordinate the airstrikes with the Iranian troops that have been sent in to back up Malaki. We wouldn't want to kill them by mistake would we? Does it make you feel comfortable? Providing air support for the Revolutionary Guard? Do you finally see what a mess Bush got us into?

Official: Iran sends forces to Iraq as ISIS militants press forward - CNN.com
 
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apdst said:
ISIS is presenting a massed target when the leave the built areas, which would be a prime target. Catch them in the open and snake-n-nape their asses.
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But that does nothing to liberate the cities.
 
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notquiteright said:
I'd love to see this sworn testimony as the Official ISG Duelfer Report concludes both the chem and nuke programs were destroyed, Saddam wanted to start back up once the sanctions were lifted but they never were prior to the invasion.

David Kay resigned saying he felt there never were WMD in Iraq. The CIA director asked him to stay on or it would appear the USofA didn't know what they were doing.... Kay resigned.

FYI, it isn't 'my assessment', but the opinion of the US Forces on both the time of creation and the lack of production of the 2005 Mosul chem plant. :2wave:
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I know how things were reported in the news but in the official testimony given to Congress, Kay and Duelfer painted another picture. Don't have time to look for it right now, I'm up to my neck making pies for Father's Day celebration and other food prep. My time is limited between tasks. :)
 
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